Canadian polygamists prosecuted

Discussion in 'Links of Interest' started by FollowingHim, Jul 25, 2017.

  1. FollowingHim

    FollowingHim Administrator Staff Member Male

    Two Canadian polygamists have just been convicted of polygamy, one having 25 wives and the other 5. These are FLDS men, connected to Warren Jeffs, their views on polygamy don't agree with our own and the number of wives is excessive. However, there appears to be no suggestion of any actual criminal activity, such as underage marriages or abuse. This appears to be entirely between consenting adults. So the decision is very relevant to any Christian polygamists in Canada.

    Canada's criminal code explicitly bans polygamy, and the law is worded extremely broadly and in the plain wording of it appears to ban absolutely any sexual relationship between more than two people, whatever the situation:
    The Supreme Court was asked to rule on whether this law is constitutional, and declared in 2011 that it was. However they stated that it only applied when there was a formal wedding ceremony, and did not apply to polyamory. This seems to be something they made up to fit with the prevailing culture, because the law itself clearly and explicitly bans polyamory (293.1.a.ii). So the supreme court has decided that religious polgamy is illegal, but secular polyamory is legal. This is a very concerning anti-religious approach, and has resulted in this prosecution today.

    Any polygamists in Canada need to do their best to be seen as secular polyamorists in the eyes of the law and avoid the terms "wife", "husband" and "marriage".

    This prosecution does appear to have been based on a formal record of marriages kept by Warren Jeffs in Texas, seized as part of his conviction. Keeping a register of marriages is a very bad idea, fortunately it's entirely unnecessary and not required by scripture. Avoiding such paper records might help to avoid such prosecutions.
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  2. Aussies

    Aussies Active Member Male

    Thank you Samuel good info to have.
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  3. frederick

    frederick Active Member Male

    Thank you very much and I appreciate the insights you give. Cheers
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  4. Mojo

    Mojo Well-Known Member Male

    Hmmm, just wondering if the Canadian courts would have the gonads to prosecute polygamist homosexuals.
  5. Elijahsfire

    Elijahsfire New Member Male

    I'm not Canadian but I would assume a big fat NO. same would probably go with Utah here in the states.
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  6. FollowingHim

    FollowingHim Administrator Staff Member Male

    They would have no interest in doing so. Such laws only exist to give a means to persecute people who are out of public favour. Homosexuals are in favour so are safe.
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  7. Mojo

    Mojo Well-Known Member Male

    Precisely. Imagine the outcry?
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  8. FollowingHim

    FollowingHim Administrator Staff Member Male

    But that gives any Christian polygamists a probably quite effective way to get the authorities off their tail instantly. The first time the authorities come knocking, imply that the wives are in a lesbian relationship and ask if they intend to discriminate against you over your sexuality. I'm dead serious about this. It's a very plausible situation, half the world already thinks that's the only reason anyone would be polygamous. If the wives are friendly enough to kiss on the lips at least as a once-off, do so in front of the official. Use the system to your advantage. There's always an opportunity hidden in every problem.
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  9. Mojo

    Mojo Well-Known Member Male

    Even better yet, one of the wives is multi-sexual or gender neutral!

    So, on certain days she identifies as a man and is in a gay union with her husband. On other days, she identifies as female and is in a lesbian union with the other wife.

    I got it!
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  10. frederick

    frederick Active Member Male

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  11. jacobhaivri

    jacobhaivri Active Member Male

    Boils my blood they are okay with polyamory, and will go to efforts to make that exception as opposed to the supposedly great societal evil of consenting and committed adults.
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  12. Lili

    Lili Well-Known Member Female

    It's crazy to me that any government can tell me what I'm allowed to do in my life when it doesn't hurt anybody. My husband, his wives, and myself: those are the only parties who ever had any say in whether or not I joined a polygamous marriage. That's *it*.
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  13. Mojo

    Mojo Well-Known Member Male

    They fear the religion, not the sexual implications.
  14. rustywest4

    rustywest4 Well-Known Member Male

    Allowing a strongly Biblically rooted practice such as polygyny to go unpunished would in a way acknowledge its legitimacy. This is unacceptable in the liberal culture they wish to build and perpetuate. It must be squashed and squeezed out at all costs!
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  15. frederick

    frederick Active Member Male

    Keep in mind that it's a spiritual battle that underlies not only the conflict over marriage/polygamy but over every absolute in the word of God. Whatever God says, Satan comes along and challenges it. Take heart folks; it began in the Garden and it hasn't changed - and the battle won't be over until we are in the new heaven and new earth.
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  16. jacobhaivri

    jacobhaivri Active Member Male

    It does get me wondering, though, whether Biblical Polygyny could be argued in reframed terms of Committed Polyamory in order to broach the subject in a way that is already far more culturally acceptable without inviting the immediate hostility that polygamy usually faces. One may then be able to demonstrate that the anti-Polygyny sentiment is no longer consistent with relationship diversity in modern society, etc.

    I mean, sure, I gag at the very thought of using their own arguments, even to use against them, but if it is the language they understand...
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  17. Mojo

    Mojo Well-Known Member Male

    Which is why you do t keep records;)

    Just hold a private ceremony of witnesses and live like a polyamorous family. Claim lifestyle choice discrimination if they come after you!
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  18. Shibboleth

    Shibboleth Active Member Male

    I'd be wary of that approach. I came across this Venn Diagram today, which demonstrates that they view "religious polygamy" (top right corner) as being completely detached from any other form.

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  19. Mojo

    Mojo Well-Known Member Male

    Ewwwww! And biblical polygynists are the bad guys?
  20. FollowingHim

    FollowingHim Administrator Staff Member Male

    It's a bit odd. It's not entirely clear that only the biblical polygamists are the "bad guys" in the mind of whoever wrote it. For instance, notice a few examples in the main bulk of the mess like: "As your Dom, I've arranged this gang-bang for you. Have fun!" and "No, seriously, we're a poly / mono couple. My wife just doesn't know". I can't see any author writing those as "good" examples. It's just a complete mess of everything the author could possibly think of.
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