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Gentiles in the Kingdom with Abraham, Issac, and Jacob

OttoM

OttoM

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Matthew 8:11
And I tell you this, that many Gentiles will come from all over the world—from east and west—and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob at the feast in the Kingdom of Heaven.

Righteous men like Moshe, Abraham, Jacob, and David are not permitted inside many of today's churches. Because of their multiple wives and many children. But, those same gentiles seek to enter the Kingdom of Heaven and feast with Abraham, Issac, and Jacob?

Wouldn't their multiple wives and many children be an offense, and stumbling block to them?

Mark 2:22
“And no one puts new wine into old wineskins. For the wine would burst the wineskins, and the wine and the skins would both be lost. New wine calls for new wineskins.”

Many Christians still have their old wineskins - walking in the ways of the world. This is why they can not accept the new wine - which is the truth of the Holy Scriptures.
 
Jacob/Israel proohesied that Ephraim's seed would become a multitude of "gentiles." They translated "goy" nations there, but it is the same word that is translated "gentiles."

YHWH told Israel "Your decendants will inherit the nations." I believe this has happened through intermarriage and the blessings and cursings of Deut. 28. Those that live right are blessed and prospered, those who don't?......well the world calls it natural selection, or getting a darwin award....but I see it as His law of reaping what you sow in action.

The bible translators should have uniformly translated words. Instead they used gentile which is from the Latin gentilus and means of the SAME genes, clan or tribe. So....while they intended to acknowledge the familial relationship of these descendants of the ten tribes, moden christians have the OPPOSITE understanding of the word. Ironic, no?

They also translated sheol into hell everywhere they could get away with it, and rendered it GRAVE where they couldn't.

Unless someone believes HELL and THE GRAVE are the same thing.....this should cause them to study.
 
Joleneakamama said:
Jacob/Israel proohesied that Ephraim's seed would become a multitude of "gentiles." They translated "goy" nations there, but it is the same word that is translated "gentiles."

YHWH told Israel "Your decendants will inherit the nations." I believe this has happened through intermarriage and the blessings and cursings of Deut. 28. Those that live right are blessed and prospered, those who don't?......well the world calls it natural selection, or getting a darwin award....but I see it as His law of reaping what you sow in action.

The bible translators should have uniformly translated words. Instead they used gentile which is from the Latin gentilus and means of the SAME genes, clan or tribe. So....while they intended to acknowledge the familial relationship of these descendants of the ten tribes, moden christians have the OPPOSITE understanding of the word. Ironic, no?

They also translated sheol into hell everywhere they could get away with it, and rendered it GRAVE where they couldn't.

Unless someone believes HELL and THE GRAVE are the same thing.....this should cause them to study.
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In the Greek it’s “ethnos” and it’s the word used when Abram’s was changed to Abraham and he was told he would be the father of many “ethnos”.
 
The Revolting Man said:
In the Greek it’s “ethnos” and it’s the word used when Abram’s was changed to Abraham and he was told he would be the father of many “ethnos”.
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Anyplace dealing with Abraham was not in Greek. You are right that ethnos (where we get words like ethnicity) is the greek equivalent.
Modern Jews use goy all wrong, and and like it is all bad. Wrong in that they will refer to an individual as a goy when it means a large number like a swarm of locusts. They act like it is a bad word yet it never was. It is the word YHWH used when telling Israel if they would "Hearken to My voice you will be a kingdom of priests and a holy nation (goy). Now I can't speak for anyone else, but that is about as POSITIVE a context as I can imagine.
 
Joleneakamama said:
Anyplace dealing with Abraham was not in Greek. You are right that ethnos (where we get words like ethnicity) is the greek equivalent.
Modern Jews use goy all wrong, and and like it is all bad. Wrong in that they will refer to an individual as a goy when it means a large number like a swarm of locusts. They act like it is a bad word yet it never was. It is the word YHWH used when telling Israel if they would "Hearken to My voice you will be a kingdom of priests and a holy nation (goy). Now I can't speak for anyone else, but that is about as POSITIVE a context as I can imagine.
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Any Hebrew we have was translated back into the Hebrew from the Greek. The Septuagint is the oldest we have. My understanding is that we don’t have any Hebrew translations that didn’t come from the Greek. I could have misunderstood something though.
 
You're misunderstanding it @The Revolting Man. We do have plenty of Hebrew that has remained Hebrew all along and was never back-translated from Greek, from two sources - the Masoretic Hebrew text (which includes the entire Protestant Old Testament), and fragments from the Dead Sea Scrolls.

However, that Hebrew text comes from the Masoretes, a Jewish sect, who might have twisted parts of it to make it less Christian. This accusation is debatable and has been debated for the whole history of the church, I'm not taking a position on it, just pointing out that this accusation exists as a possible concern. That's ultimately where you'll be getting your concerns about the Hebrew text from. And they dropped the Apocryphal books.

So the full pre-Jesus scripture (Old Testament + Apocrypha) is only available as a complete set in Greek. But the entire Old Testament is available in Hebrew.
 
FollowingHim said:
You're misunderstanding it @The Revolting Man. We do have plenty of Hebrew that has remained Hebrew all along and was never back-translated from Greek, from two sources - the Masoretic Hebrew text (which includes the entire Protestant Old Testament), and fragments from the Dead Sea Scrolls.

However, that Hebrew text comes from the Masoretes, a Jewish sect, who might have twisted parts of it to make it less Christian. This accusation is debatable and has been debated for the whole history of the church, I'm not taking a position on it, just pointing out that this accusation exists as a possible concern. That's ultimately where you'll be getting your concerns about the Hebrew text from. And they dropped the Apocryphal books.

So the full pre-Jesus scripture (Old Testament + Apocrypha) is only available as a complete set in Greek. But the entire Old Testament is available in Hebrew.
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The Masoretic was definitely twisted, undeniably twisted. Isaiah was butchered to try and minimize Christ. I don’t know what all else was done but that fact alone means it can’t be trusted.
 
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