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hebrew thinking

steve

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below is an article that ali ran across while while researching the idea of "what is Hebrew thinking"
we have become interested in this subject because we embrace poly which is more of a Hebrew mindset than is the idea of only being married to one wife, a concept that seems to have sprung up in the early church under greek thinking.


So, what are Hebrew values?

Hebrew thinking is, in essence, the way God thinks.

You may recall that God chose a pagan named Abram, calling him out of his heathen way of life, and made covenant with this man; downloading His heart into him, birthing the Hebrew people.

This is an important thought.

God did not just randomly choose a group of people somewhere on the Sinai Peninsula and attempt to indoctrinate them with His Law. Rather He birthed the Hebrew people in His ways through His covenant with Abram. And while not everything Hebraic is “of God” – like all cultures, the Hebrew culture has devolved of course – the essence of what God birthed into the Hebrew people reflects the way He feels, the way He thinks, the way He views and perceives things … God’s heart and mind.

Bob Mumford reminded us that though the New Testament was written in Greek language, it was written in Hebrew thought. All the New Testament authors were Hebrews, except Luke (who was deeply influenced by his Hebrew brothers), and their worldview, and related values, was Hebrew not Greek.

Why is this important?

Well, our worldview determines the way we feel, the way we think … and ultimately the way we live.

While it is mind-boggling to consider the extent to which Greek philosophy has shaped our modern world, it is not difficult to understand why.

During the 400 years God seemed silent (between the last prophetic word through the mouth of Malachi to the birth of Christ), a prevailing philosophy was uploaded from the bowels of men. It was during this 400-year period that Socrates, Plato and Aristotle came on the scene with great force and sway.

By the time the Gospel breached the gap between the Jewish and Gentile world, the Greek centres of learning – established by Socrates, Plato and Aristotle – were well established and Greek philosophy was deeply entrenched in the known world. And because Greek was the predominant language of the age, it was a powerful medium to impart a Big Fat Greek Mentality to mankind. The Gospel, and the Hebrew-values that gave it context, was always going to come into face-to-face conflict with widespread Greek philosophy.

The reasons Greek philosophy began to usurp Hebrew values were at least two-fold. On the one hand, many early church fathers attempted to reconcile the Gospel with their own Greek bias. While this is an important exercise (and an extremely difficult task), as any missiologist will tell you, it seems to me that rather than renewing their Greek minds to Hebrew values; the opposite transpired. Certainly this was also in keeping with the tragic slide away from an apostolic Kingdom-shaped church towards a Constantine empire-shaped aberration.

Let me carefully pick on one godly, early church father. Augustine was an outstanding follower of Christ and his writings continue to inspire us today. However, he was a disciple of Plato before he was a follower of Christ and by his own admission attempted to reconcile the Gospel with his own ingrained Greek philosophy. This is in no way meant to discredit his ministry and influence, only to show how Greek philosophy undermined the Hebrew values that should have given the Gospel context.

On the other hand, the prevailing anti-Semitism that sadly plagued the church through the centuries was another reason we lost connection with Hebrew values. During the eighteenth, nineteenth and early twentieth century many of the theologians in the German-speaking world, from which many of our systematic theologies originated, were undoubtedly anti-Semitic and reinforced a Greek worldview in interpreting Scripture; shaping both our soteriology (that which pertains to our views of salvation) and ecclesiology (that which pertains to our views of the church).

For these reasons – and I’m sure there are many others – our modern world is entrenched in a Big Fat Greek Mindset1. I am fully persuaded that as long as we wear Greek-shaped glasses2, we will give birth to that which is of Socrates, Plato and Aristotle … that which is birthed “of man”. Only by fully engaging with a Hebrew mindset, will we birth that which is “of God”. We certainly see things not as they are, but as we are. “As a man thinks in his heart, so is he” (Proverbs 23:7).

It is beyond the scope of this article to wade through the many important distinctions between Greek and Hebrew thinking – as critical as that exercise is3. What I feel we must do here is compare the different way each worldview perceives “community” and “leadership”. In my mind, this comparison seeds one of the most vital foundations upon which we grasp a Kingdom-shaped church as opposed to a church-shrunk kingdom.

To a Greek worldview, community is first and foremost viewed as a legal body: an institution. Hence, leadership consists of those who are the law-makers and law-keepers of such a legal body: the directors and managers of the institution.

Wearing these glasses, we have witnessed the church first turn into a religious institution that squashed its organic apostolic origins, spawning denominationalism; and then, turn into a business enterprise, fomenting franchise-driven ministries the world over.

Wearing these glasses, we have observed leadership first turn into clerical offices that subjugated the laity, crushing the priesthood of all believers; and then, turn into CEO-celebrity personalities, succumbing to the consumerist spirit of the age.

In stark contrast, the Hebrew worldview understands community as essentially family and leadership as parenthood. Think about this for a moment – consider just how radically different this simple but revolutionary change in worldview ought to shape our experience of church.

If we reason from the basis that church is essentially a family (and not an institution) and leadership is essentially parenthood (not directorship), how different would we answer these kinds of questions:

How should a church make decisions?

From a Greek perspective, decisions are made by those on top of the pile and their orders must be carried out by those at the bottom. The clergy-laity divide is a direct fruit off the vine of Greek dualism.

But from a Hebrew perspective, the question becomes: How does a healthy family make decisions? The words “inclusive,” “involved,” “listening” and “sharing” are integral as a family attempts to discern God’s heart and mind in finding an answer. Every voice is heard as His will is sought. Spiritual parents help immature members of the family work through their fears, and other juvenile tendencies, to interpret the will of God so that the spiritual community can say, “it seems good to the Holy Spirit and to us” (Acts 15:28).

How should a church resolve conflict?

From a Greek perspective, conflict is to be avoided and “rebels” (defined as those who are anti the organization) must either be dealt with swiftly, and often times mercilessly, or denied and shunned – so as to avoid corrupting the image or interrupting the progress of the organization.

But from a Hebrew perspective, the question becomes: How does a loving family resolve conflict? In a family, conflict is not an interruption to life; it is very much part of life. It is through conflict that much growth occurs in the individuals concerned and in the family as a whole. In a family, deliberately resolving conflict is valued over tragically dissolving relationships.

How should a church multiply?

From a Greek perspective, church multiplication is often a misnomer. The point for most organizations is to get bigger and bigger as if more bums in the seats and bucks in the plate equals success. For those who do grasp the concept of multiplication, an inbuilt Greek mentality leads one to conclude that division is the answer. Much of the contemporary cell-based church emphasis revolves around dividing a group in two, intending both groups to grow and repeat the exercise. In fact, it has become a precise work of science. (And you’re not allowed to call it division by the way).

In a family however, division is called “divorce” and if you’ve been part of a cell group that has divided a couple of times, you know that it starts to feel like a divorce after a while. From a Hebrew perspective, the question becomes: How does a family multiply? In a family, parents raise their children into mature adults who can become parents in their own right. In a spiritual family, multiplication happens as “children” become mature “sons,” encouraged to be “parents” in their own right.

In like manner, we should ask these questions: How does a family meet? How does a family care for each other? How does a family serve together?

As we keep asking, “How does a family …?” we keep “church” in the context of Hebrew values.

It is my deep conviction, highlighted by the above three questions, that wearing glasses stained by Greek philosophy is one of the juggernaut sinkholes in the church today and results in otherwise wonderful people, bearers of the greatest message in the universe, coming across as arrogant, judgmental and archaic Bible-bashers in an age craving both the message we proclaim and the love-community we offer4.

Allow me to clarify the differences again in this table:

Hebrew Greek

Community Family Institution/Business

Leadership Parenthood Clerical/Directorship

It is perhaps obvious that many negative aspects that plague the church today stem from this wrong reference point. Let me just point out two.

First, relationships.

In Greek thinking, structures (and their related systems) are the primary element to make the institution or business function; relationships are at best secondary, at worst, completely subservient to the enterprise. The result? People are secondary to productivity and are often mere collateral damage if they do not fit in to suit the institution’s aims or the business’ objectives.

In Hebrew thinking, relationships are primary; structures are secondary5 – and only valid to the degree that they serve our relationships. Our structures ought to be descriptive of our relational life rather than prescriptive of it. People are primary and we are to discern the will of God together in a Spirit-led unity, “with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffering, bearing with one another in love” (Ephesians 4:2, 3).

Second, motivations.

The development of an institutional construct and its power based leadership structure has, in my opinion, brought about many of the worst atrocities in the history of the church. Even in its simplistic form; it appeals to our ego-driven need for power, seducing many to clutch and strive after a positional place in the system. The statement “power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely” is disheartening yet true – and our institutional church system plays to our base motivations. Enough said6.

While the desire to be a spiritual parent can also be abused, with no institutional ladder to climb, a Hebrew mindset of family and parenthood conveys more the idea of responsibility and godly duty than power and indulged privilege. A fear of the Lord and a spirit of selflessness underscore the notion of spiritual parenthood; the temptation towards self-promotion and self-advancement dissipates in the context of spiritual family.

Renewing our minds to the Hebrew value of spiritual family and parenthood, effectively putting the pin into our Big Fat Greek Mentality, gives birth to a context for life-giving authority and missional community. Without this overhaul of heart and mind, we’ll continue to fly the flag of Socrates, Plato and Aristotle. Empire-building, top-down leadership and self-serving, ingrown community will be all we’re capable of.

Notes:

1 The modern world (not just the modern church) has a Big Fat Greek Mentality. Socrates, Plato and Aristotle have deeply influenced our modern world; from politics, to our education systems, to business models. In this article, I have narrowed my thoughts to the reasons Christianity has been so deeply entrenched in Greek philosophy.

2 I am certainly not suggesting that we become anti-Greek; that would be just moronic. There is much beauty in Greek culture – as in every culture. Here I am obviously addressing a prevailing philosophy that is anti-Christ (contrary to the King and His Kingdom come) not decrying a specific culture.

3 Here are a few more comparisons between a Greek and Hebrew worldview for interested readers.

Greek vs. Hebraic

Worldview Dualistic vs. Holistic

Emphasis Nouns vs. Verbs

Language Prose and outlines vs. Poetry and imagery

Thinking Abstract, ideas and logic vs. Concrete, pictures and stories

Success Knowledge vs. Wisdom

Ethics Individual rights vs. Community responsibilities

Community Legal body (organisation) vs. Family

Leadership Directors/Managers vs. Parenthood

Ministry Centralised vs. Cooperative

4 According to a survey in America, the number one perception that the average non-Christian American has of the Christian church is that we’re judgmental, specifically, that we “hate gays”. This reveals the frightening disparity between the message we think we preach and the message we actually do communicate.

On a lighter – yet still sobering – note, in one episode of The Simpson’s, Homer’s Christian neighbour arrives back from church camp. Homer asks him how the camp went; he replies: “It was great! We learnt how to be judgmental!”

5 Structures are not merely a “necessary evil”. Structures are very important yet distinctly secondary. For example, without my skeletal structure I’d be a useless blob on the floor. However, if you actually saw my skeletal structure jutting through my skin, you’d be horrified and I’d be … well, dead. A skeletal structure exists to serve the growing body; thus, it’s secondary and must be flexible not rigid. Structures that arise out of the primacy of relationship should likewise remain secondary and flexible, able to change to suit the growth of our relationships.
 
Thanks for putting this together, Steve, it must've taken forever.

I read a book years ago called 'the Alpha vs. the Goddess', which basically examined the change in humanity when we went from using images and experiences to words and the written language. I noticed a lot of similarities in your Hebrew vs. Greek mentality.

The older I get, the more I find myself attracted to the quieter, more intimate (Hebrew) mindset. (I say to an online forum :lol: ) There's just something about it that I find deeply rewarding.
 
I am very sorry that I was remiss in not giving the source of this article, I did not assemble it.

the source is: yourkingdomcomeyes.com
 
Hello.

This is something new for me, regarding that bit about Abram being a pagan.

Is this what Christianity believes too? I always thought that Abram lived among people who believes in God and he was the most obedient. As Enoch and Noah certainly knew God, even Adam and Abel.

But it is possible that his change of name was like a baptism too.
 
Jos 24:2
And Joshua said unto all the people, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Your fathers dwelt on the other side of the flood in old time, even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nachor: and they served other gods.

I had to look a little to find this, but yes, we are told that the ancestors of abram/Abraham served other gods. abram was called out from among them by YHWH and became a man of faith.
I thank YHWH that you also have been called out from where you were to be a woman of faith. like with Abraham, the past is the past.

name changes to reflect a new understanding was common in many cultures. abram meant "exalted father" (which seems a little amusing for the first eighty years ;) ) while Abraham meant "father of a multitude" or "chief of multitude".
 
rereading this reminded me that I do disagree with one statement:
Bob Mumford reminded us that though the New Testament was written in Greek language, it was written in Hebrew thought.
I do not believe that it was written in greek, there is plenty of Hebrew thought that is translated very clumsily into the greek.
the catholic church even saved one copy of Mathew written in Hebrew. the rest were all destroyed. anti-semitism did not start in the 18th century.
 
Holy Bible: From the Ancient Eastern Text, Kindle or Paperback. Translator George Lamsa, who wrote several other books explaining the implications of the Aramaic idioms used. He claims that Aramaic is the language most, if not all, of the NT was written in.

It's a good Bible version to have. He's an interesting and thought provoking author.
 
You make some great points, but I want to throw a couple ideas at you here:

1) During the period when you assert that God appears to have gone silent, He was very active in the lives of His people. I'm sure you know that, but Scripture didn't suddenly take a 400 year hiatus. It was during this period, prior to the rule of the Seleucids that the Septuagint Old Testament was translated. The Septuagint was the only Old Testament used in the Church prior to the advent of Protestantism. In the New Testament, the Septuagint is quoted by Jesus and St. Paul over the Hebrew of the times (not the Masoretic; that didn't appear until the Middle Ages) at a rate of about 6 to 1. And, in defense of the Septuagint, some books that were thought to be only in Greek (1 and 2 Maccabees, for instance) were discovered to have had originals in Hebrew when the Qumran scrolls were found in 1948. Scholarly study has revealed a lot of Hebraicisms in those books that indicate a Hebrew writer, if not a Hebrew original. A fair number of Scriptural quotes in the New Testament are from the Deuterocanonical books. (A great resource for this, if you are interested, is the New Revised Standard Version with Deuterocanonicals, put out by the American Bible Society. It is loaded with foot notes and it is a dynamic equivalence (thought for thought bordering on a "literal" translation with a MOUNTAIN of foot notes on quote citation and where variant readings produce an alternate rendering; it runs about $12 for the hard cover.)

2) Some of what you indicated as Greek, was in fact Roman. The highly organized leader/follower structure is Roman, not Greek. The Greeks were conquered by the Romans largely because they could not organize as well as the Romans could. Much of what was called "Greek" in the ancient world was, in fact, Roman with a Greek window dressing. Now, that's not to say the Romans produced any original philosophers -- they really didn't. Every philosopher they produced was essentially a follower of one of the Greek systems.

3) Many of the differences between Greek and Hebrew thinking that you noted are essentially the difference between apophatic and cataphatic theology. The Eastern Orthodox Church (and it's Western-rite variants) have followed apophatic theology and the West (following the Roman Empire) have usually followed cataphatic theology. The cataphatic way is starting from what God is, and working to what He is not. Apophatic theology starts with the assumption that we can know nothing of God in His essence and that what we know about God is only insofar as He has revealed Himself to us. This point demonstrates the essence of your Greek/Hebrew dichotomy pretty well. (If this topic interests you at all, I would highly recommend Vladimir Lossky's The Mystical Theology of the Eastern Church.)
 
Southlander said:
You make some great points, but I want to throw a couple ideas at you here:

1) During the period when you assert that God appears to have gone silent, He was very active in the lives of His people. I'm sure you know that, but Scripture didn't suddenly take a 400 year hiatus. It was during this period, prior to the rule of the Seleucids that the Septuagint Old Testament was translated.
"During the 400 years God seemed silent ....." is the quote that you refer to. It did not mean to imply that He was absent, just that He communicated nothing additional to us during that time. The fact that the Septuagint was translated at that time seems to be your point. Your further point seems to be that that Yeshua and Paul quoting from the Septuagint raises it's value above the Hebrew original. The problem is that you do not have any proof of what was originally said/written. My point is that it was originally communicated in Hebrew or Aramaic. I would argue that a person who is translating from the original language into Greek would quite naturally use the phrases that have already been translated (in the Septuagint) to express the quotations that Yeshua and Paul were using. When all that we have is a translation, there just seems no way to prove the language of the original quote.
2) Some of what you indicated as Greek, was in fact Roman. .......... Now, that's not to say the Romans produced any original philosophers -- they really didn't. Every philosopher they produced........
I see what you are saying, but it really does not effect the point of the post, right?
3) Many of the differences between Greek and Hebrew thinking that you noted are essentially the difference between apophatic and cataphatic theology.
I will take your word on that :D
 
apophatic and cataphatic theology
And about THAT, we're most EMphatic!!! :o :lol:
 
Regardling the apophatic and cataphatic theological dichotomy, I believe this dichotomy is exactly the reason we should pursue the Word from the Hebrew mindset. Cultural differences in ways of thinking DO slew the truth. For instance, books of historical Tibetan accounts speak no evil of the kings or their subjects. Tibet's history as a culture is one that abhors negative judgements. While some civilizations would write negatively of a neighboring king or an unjust ruler in their own seat of power, it just wasn't done in Tibetan culture. To communicate is so much more than the transference of fact. Amongst people, it is a shared experiential understanding. Something to be felt. Just as looking into the eyes, observing the expression and body language, listening to the tone and pace of another is absolutely necessary to truly grasp their intent, intimate understanding and like approach is required to come close to the understanding writers of Biblical works desired to share. Secondhand understanding is greatly influenced by the thoughts and feelings of the originator. An inaccurate understanding or expectation of a person is not often helpful when first meeting and takes time to correct. I sometimes think "What I think we have here is a failure to communicate." I prefer to pursue the closest understanding possible of the original writers in regards to Biblical text. Fortunately, Jehovah is very much present and we are afforded our own original experiences.
 
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