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Instant messaging - secure Facebook alternative

What instant messaging do you regularly use?

  • SMS

    Votes: 7 87.5%
  • Facebook Messenger

    Votes: 5 62.5%
  • WhatsApp

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Google Hangouts

    Votes: 1 12.5%
  • Google Allo

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Snapchat

    Votes: 2 25.0%
  • Instagram

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Signal

    Votes: 2 25.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 2 25.0%
  • Telegram

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    8

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Not directly plural marriage related, but a practical issue that many of us face in our day-to-day lives.

Sarah and I talk frequently by instant messaging between our phones, so we always want a reliable and convenient way to do so. I've been looking for a decent option for years, have worked with various methods that were acceptable but had problems, and finally we've got a solution that is perfect - Signal private messenger (Android and iPhone).

I post this here because so many people are relying on Facebook to send messages these days. And Facebook has just de-activated chat on their mobile website, forcing everyone to install Facebook Messenger in order to use chat on mobiles. Both Facebook apps (the main one and Messenger) are pure spyware, collecting massive amounts of info about users for commercial gain, and chewing through battery and data on your phone too. I won't install either on my phone (I've got Messenger installed on Sarah's because her extended family use it, but only in a manner that locks down most of the permissions so that Facebook can't get as much info from it). I suspect that Facebook's move might mean some other people are looking for an alternative right now also.

The main attraction of Signal is that it isn't yet another app. It is a replacement for the default sms app on the phone. And there's no need to have yet another username, it just uses your phone number. Open the one app, send a text message to anyone on your contacts list. If they don't have Signal it sends them an sms, if they do have Signal it sends an instant message. Or you can manually pick which. Incredibly convenient, you don't even have to think about it.

And it's so heavily encrypted it is endorsed by Edward Snowden. It also includes encrypted voice calling. It has almost nil metadata collection, and is open-source and has been independently reviewed to verify it truly is secure. I strongly feel that over time it will become increasingly important for Christians, especially conservatives with controversial views such as plural marriage, to be communicating in a way that is secure from eavesdroppers (private or government). Best to start today and just make it part of our daily lives, so it's a habit. Particularly when an app like Signal makes it so easy to be secure.

By contrast, Facebook can read the entire content of your "private" Facebook messages, and can provide them to government agencies. The same goes for Google Hangouts. WhatsApp (owned by Facebook) and Google Allo encrypt the content of messages only, but still record exactly who you are communicating with, when, how frequently etc, which in itself is very compromising information. Signal has no access to content, and the server only records the timestamp of the last time you used the service, so it's impossible for the company to give any information to anyone even with a warrant. Here is a good comparison.

Ok, this sounded like an advertisement. I'm not being paid by anyone, and Signal is a not-for-profit organisation supported by grants. Just sharing because we're finding it brilliant and I figured others may find it useful also.

If you want to contact me on Signal, and don't know my phone number, send me a private message / conversation.
 
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One you might add to the choices above is Telegram. I use both Signal and Telegram, and I think both are good options for encrypted, secure messaging.
 
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Yes, Signal has groups.

@aineo
I used to use Telegram, forgot to put that on the list. When I came to the USA for a Biblical Families retreat in 2014 I was using Telegram to talk to Sarah whenever I had internet access. Back then, it worked well and was more secure than the competition available at the time, but since that date it's received scathing security reviews and better alternatives have become available. It's a nice usable choice for unencrypted chat, but not so good for encrypted chatting (it's unencrypted by default, encryption is only available one-to-one if you choose it, all group chats are unencrypted, all messages are stored on Telegram's servers so could be provided to anyone, and the encryption protocol used is suspect). Even WhatsApp is getting better reviews from an encryption & security standpoint these days. Also see here and here. I'll add it to the poll.

Great to hear of someone else using Signal!
 
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What's this? The government is protecting us from the boogiemen. They need access to my every detailed move in order to do this. A down right conspiracy nutter group you lot are.

Kidding. :p

Thanks for the heads up. I'll look into that Signal thingie.
 
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A man full of pride thinking that he was righteous, might not be that safe praying...
 
My personal guess is using Signal, Tor and other secure tools ranks you higher in the "should we put extra energy into watching this person" algorithm but I'm guessing.
 
If it's typed or spoken into a device, consider it available.
True. I have a cheap Chinese smartphone. The keyboards on it are provided by either Huawei or Google. Going right now to install a third-party keyboard app... Not that anything is foolproof. I mainly use Signal for convenience, security is a bonus.
My personal guess is using Signal, Tor and other secure tools ranks you higher in the "should we put extra energy into watching this person" algorithm but I'm guessing.
We're talking on a web forum about polygamy. We're already right up there on that list. :)
 
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