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I accidentally stumbled across this article (I also left a comment on it).
http://www.patheos.com/Resources/Additi ... -2011.html
http://www.patheos.com/Resources/Additi ... -2011.html
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I think this is a very interesting question that all people should answer for themselves, before they settle down to one religon. This question needs to be defined in order to get a proper answer. 1. Which God are You referring to? 2. There's many Gods. 3. Christians worship many different Gods. One thing for sure, The Creator that created all the universe and caused the Scriptures to be recorded for instruction to His people, is not a Christian. As proof, Christians, for the most part, deny that His instructions are in force today, therefore; there must be a God that is a Christian, but which one?
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This is absolutely basic to Christianity. Start thinking that other ways might also be valid, and you're no longer preaching Christianity.John 14:6 said:
God has given us ONE way of salvation only - Jesus' death. This is the entire message of Christianity.
There is a major movement in the world today to water down all religions, particularly Christianity, to draw them all together in some harmonious world religion. This will no doubt happen, most end-times commentators see it as an inevitable part of the prophecies. This article is a prime example. Just don't get sucked into this nonsense yourself.
(Technically, the Jews do serve the same God as we do, and the Muslims attempt to (in that they worship the God of Abraham, the Creator, who is God - however they teach some very incorrect stuff about Him). And of course God cannot be a "Christian" because a Christian is somebody who follows Christ, and God IS Christ and the Father so doesn't follow Himself...)
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FollowingHim, thanks for Your reply. You obviously have made a posative effort to learn what makes this world tick, and for the most part, You are exactly right. The coming together of religons has already happened, not just happening, and it's very dangerous to The Creator's people, that's why I try to get people to think for themselves. I know these things because I've studied for many years. All religons claim to worship one God, but if You study deep enough into each religon, You'll find a different story, running in the background. The Unilateral Universal Association is the culprit pushing the getting together of all religons today. Study their origon, and You will be surprised what You learn. The Jews do not worship the Creator, they study and record His word for a different purpose. The Muslems come the closest to following the Scroptures, of any organized religon,but they have many flaws. I don't conform to any religon, but totally to the Scriptures, as is required to find favor with the Creator. If You have the proper understanding of the Scriptures, You'll have no problem living that life. I read many Posts on BF where the people have a great need for proper guidance, they're not getting it. I don't have time to post a lot, or I would tell them how to answer their own questions, that how people learn. I know the mainstream religions don't like the teachings of the Scriptures, but it's the Creators word, and good for instruction. The one thing I see most discussed on BF is Polygyny. If the Scriptures are strictly followed, there'd be no problem, but the people don't know how that works, and the leadership of this group obviously don't know, or is not saying. Polygyny is a very good form of marriage, but when You get the STATE involved, You have trouble.
The purpose for Polygyny is The Creator's answer to Satan's corporations, that's why the STATE is so hell bent on putting it down. Think about it, if a man has 4 women and each woman bares 4 sons, that's 16 men that man should control, that's a lot of power, 1 man could get strong enough through polygyny, that the STATE could not control him. Through the marriage
license the STATE becomes a third party to the marriage contract, therefore, the STATE controles the offspring and the property, therefore, Satan's way of controling the family. Study any of Your STATE statutes concerning this matter. Satan's control is through STATE Religon, and STATE education. How do I know these things? I have studied the three major arts that the powers that be don't want us to know; Religon, Law, and mesacine, and I'm pretty good at all of them. I hope You'll take what I've written here as instruction, not in the negative.
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The purpose for Polygyny is The Creator's answer to Satan's corporations, that's why the STATE is so hell bent on putting it down. Think about it, if a man has 4 women and each woman bares 4 sons, that's 16 men that man should control, that's a lot of power, 1 man could get strong enough through polygyny, that the STATE could not control him. Through the marriage
license the STATE becomes a third party to the marriage contract, therefore, the STATE controles the offspring and the property, therefore, Satan's way of controling the family. Study any of Your STATE statutes concerning this matter. Satan's control is through STATE Religon, and STATE education. How do I know these things? I have studied the three major arts that the powers that be don't want us to know; Religon, Law, and mesacine, and I'm pretty good at all of them. I hope You'll take what I've written here as instruction, not in the negative.
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I am pretty much a lurker here, but I find many subjects brought up on this forum interesting, and have learned from many of the posters.
Much of what Jack had to say I can agree with even though it was off topic. If what he had written had been put across in a spirit of fellowship rather then judgment or correction, it would likely have been better received. Unfortunately on these forums we have only words, and it's easy to assume the worst about someone posting.
I do believe that the truth stands on it's own and is self evident, so a lack of scripture references does not cause me to dismiss ideas that do not conflict with the Bible.
With that said, I'll get back on topic. Is God a Christian?
I do believe all the defining attributes a Christian has come from God, and having the spirit of God dwelling within us. I do not however believe God can be a Christian, as the son follows the Father and believers follow Christ and are called Christians for emulating Christ.
But this is my understanding of it. I have found that many fellow Christians do not accept my views as Christian, since not growing up indoctrinated in denominations, has made it impossible for me to believe the politically correct interpretations.
Much of what Jack had to say I can agree with even though it was off topic. If what he had written had been put across in a spirit of fellowship rather then judgment or correction, it would likely have been better received. Unfortunately on these forums we have only words, and it's easy to assume the worst about someone posting.
I do believe that the truth stands on it's own and is self evident, so a lack of scripture references does not cause me to dismiss ideas that do not conflict with the Bible.
With that said, I'll get back on topic. Is God a Christian?
I do believe all the defining attributes a Christian has come from God, and having the spirit of God dwelling within us. I do not however believe God can be a Christian, as the son follows the Father and believers follow Christ and are called Christians for emulating Christ.
But this is my understanding of it. I have found that many fellow Christians do not accept my views as Christian, since not growing up indoctrinated in denominations, has made it impossible for me to believe the politically correct interpretations.
of course YHWH is not a "christian". that was the derogatory name given to the followers of Yeshua (in the greek he was called Christ). the term christian meant "little christs". may i live up to that term even though its common usage nowadays is very watered down and distorted.
the point of the article/book is the questioning of whether christianity is the only religion accepted by God, whoever He is. i think that samuel answered that rather well.
the point of the article/book is the questioning of whether christianity is the only religion accepted by God, whoever He is. i think that samuel answered that rather well.
well, yes, we are a little unbalanced that way. but since that is the reason that the board exists we are ok with it.
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If You notice, I have absolutely no objection to Polygyny, and I am amazed that anyone who has read the Scriptures would have, but thats just more proof that people may read the Scriptures, and still deny the facts stated therein. I truely believe that a man should have as many women as He can support properly. If You know the law, both, man's, and The Creator's, and don't make any waves in socioty, concerning that matter, You won't have any trouble.
The reason I didn't quote any Scriptures is, I figured that if there's any Scriptures to rebut what I wrote, surely someone would post them, if they had any profitable objection.
I appreciate the intelligent replies, I knew there had to be someone in the group who had read the Scriptures.
I probably misstated the part about one God, there is religions that worship more than one God, but I really didn't mean it that way. Most religons claim to worship one God, but it most likely is not the Creator. You can tell whether, or not, someone worships the Creator, or another God, by whether, or not they keep His sayings. If someone, or some religon, opposes the Scriptures, such as the Sabbaths, feast days, or polygyny, etc., they're not worshiping the Creator. Is Your God a Christian? I don't know.
Jay
The reason I didn't quote any Scriptures is, I figured that if there's any Scriptures to rebut what I wrote, surely someone would post them, if they had any profitable objection.
I appreciate the intelligent replies, I knew there had to be someone in the group who had read the Scriptures.
I probably misstated the part about one God, there is religions that worship more than one God, but I really didn't mean it that way. Most religons claim to worship one God, but it most likely is not the Creator. You can tell whether, or not, someone worships the Creator, or another God, by whether, or not they keep His sayings. If someone, or some religon, opposes the Scriptures, such as the Sabbaths, feast days, or polygyny, etc., they're not worshiping the Creator. Is Your God a Christian? I don't know.
Jay
I can agree with Jay on ONE point - interesting question.
I think everyone's reply so far has been "no", although for a variety of reasons. Christians hold themselves to the Ten Commandments; they're leary of what company they keep; they study scripture. (At least they ought to.) And the reason for this is because they're human.
Being divine excludes you from human shortcomings, flaws, and authorities.
But I think the purpose of the article was to get people to examine their lives in a new light, and to that end, well done.
I think everyone's reply so far has been "no", although for a variety of reasons. Christians hold themselves to the Ten Commandments; they're leary of what company they keep; they study scripture. (At least they ought to.) And the reason for this is because they're human.
Being divine excludes you from human shortcomings, flaws, and authorities.
But I think the purpose of the article was to get people to examine their lives in a new light, and to that end, well done.
The reply has to be no. My reasoning is this.
We become Christians because the only way to the Father is through the Son. Since God doesn't need to go to the Father, there is no reason to go through the Son.
We turn to Christ for "forgiveness of sins" and God the Father has no need of Forgiveness because he cannot sin.
Christ wasn't a Christian (he can't get to the Father through himself). If Christ and the Father are one then God can't be a Christian either.
SweetLissa
We become Christians because the only way to the Father is through the Son. Since God doesn't need to go to the Father, there is no reason to go through the Son.
We turn to Christ for "forgiveness of sins" and God the Father has no need of Forgiveness because he cannot sin.
Christ wasn't a Christian (he can't get to the Father through himself). If Christ and the Father are one then God can't be a Christian either.
SweetLissa
Let me ply the opposite tack here...
The name "christian" was indeed a term of derision. It is not beyond the scope of human activity for them to deride God as well, for name calling is typical of humanity that has no answer or explanation of the miraculous. God had labeled Himself as a loaf of bread or a door or a rock or a path less traveled. Would he accept "christian" as a name? Quite likely yes. Those names or labels are for our understanding. Perhaps derision is an unintentional back-handed compliment?
I trust the theologians have a field day with this. Jesus of Nazareth, the embodiment of all that is God was called many things for which he didn't raise a hand. Now, is the term "rock" the sum total of all things God? No. So then no words, "Christian" or otherwise can express the sum-total character or person of an infinite creator. Our words have no effect on an all powerful entity. Our words though DO have an effect on us. It is those words "I believe" which are most powerful. Specifically, "I believe that God has come in the human form of Jesus of Nazareth to save me from unspeakable penalty due to my own human condition." In other words, "I am broke, and I can't fix me, but God can." So simple, even a child (us neanderthals notwithstanding) can do this.
"I BELIEVE" will change your life. Consider the consequence before you pronounce, you may receive something you had not counted on.
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The name "christian" was indeed a term of derision. It is not beyond the scope of human activity for them to deride God as well, for name calling is typical of humanity that has no answer or explanation of the miraculous. God had labeled Himself as a loaf of bread or a door or a rock or a path less traveled. Would he accept "christian" as a name? Quite likely yes. Those names or labels are for our understanding. Perhaps derision is an unintentional back-handed compliment?
I trust the theologians have a field day with this. Jesus of Nazareth, the embodiment of all that is God was called many things for which he didn't raise a hand. Now, is the term "rock" the sum total of all things God? No. So then no words, "Christian" or otherwise can express the sum-total character or person of an infinite creator. Our words have no effect on an all powerful entity. Our words though DO have an effect on us. It is those words "I believe" which are most powerful. Specifically, "I believe that God has come in the human form of Jesus of Nazareth to save me from unspeakable penalty due to my own human condition." In other words, "I am broke, and I can't fix me, but God can." So simple, even a child (us neanderthals notwithstanding) can do this.
"I BELIEVE" will change your life. Consider the consequence before you pronounce, you may receive something you had not counted on.
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