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Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson discuss polygamy and polyamory.

I'm not sure if this discussion between Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson has been posted before but a quick search didn't show it so...

A known troll posted this to the polygamy sub-Reddit as an anti-polygamy argument. Rather than delete him, again, I thought it would be an interesting point of discussion.

Linking the Reddit post, which includes the video, as I'd love if some of you could post your own takes on it:

 
I didn't think much of Peterson before. Even less so now....


Eg: "it destabilizes society and is bad for children." What an @$$h0!e He knows better than the One Who Wrote the Real Book...
 
Joe was making a lot of good points. Incels need to step up their game.

If having affairs is an example of polygamy, then this society is already quite polygamous.
 
Peterson is pandering to the incels because that's a huge chunk of his viewership "The Beta Male King". Every time I have talked to a close friend or family about polygamy, those concerns were repeated (It destabilizes society OR think of the children). Enforcement of monogamy is really asking for enforced sex, not everyone deserves sex & sex should not be something earned. Sex should be granted and given by consenting lovers. Sex should not be considered a tool, treat, reward system for sexless men. Sex is for procreation (sure does feel good though thanks GOD!). I also believe not everyone deserves to procreate or have children (sorry not sorry). If you are a genetic dead end, piled high with genetic diseases and unhealthy life habits, maybe consider not destabilizing the gene pool and obtain a hobby or five, save money or help your family/friends raise their children. Women should have the freedom of choosing their mates based on their emotional, and biological or spiritual needs; competition creates a healthy society. I guess their fear is simple - sexless men get angry and aggressive and are dangerous to women...blah blah. But in reality, sexless men start to aim their frustrations on the broken system and the people and institutions that enforce their loneliness or misery. Sexless men have always been a problem today and in the ancient world but in the past brothels, warfare, famine, and church(s) (sexless men devoting their love and energy towards serving their God or religion as monks & priests) kept society in check. There are two population problems today, lack of children being born (in general and in healthy families), and the increasing population of sexless men with no goals, missions or desires to compete.

Please excuse my autistic rant.

Modern Societies: Definitely not destabilized.
  • Millions of children living in split homes or never even having a united family, most all in poverty.
  • Monogamous Divorce rates 40-50%.
  • Single parent homes forced to pay others to raise their children, destroying early familial bonding.
  • Single parents not able to work in some states and areas due to daycare expenses costing more than 2-3 minimum wage jobs can provide.
  • Single parent dating confuses and emotionally stunts the children's healthy development. How many potential moms/dads does a kid have to get their hopes up for, only to be crushed after a short emotional ride with a crash at the end?
  • In some cases, young (late teen) single parents raising children to repeat the cycle of "kids raising - kids - raising kids"
  • Online dating and hook up culture - promoted by the entertainment industry - Giving young adults a corrupt degenerate view of courting, communicating, and sex in general.
  • Free pornography - creates incels , gives men and women unrealistic views and outlooks of sex. Creates dopamine addictions, encourages infidelity of thought & mind, can lead to physical infidelity.
  • Western economies and countries importing millions of climate (economic) refugees to offset the tilted scales, of more pensioners than new workers entering the work industry. Sacrificing unique cultures for monetary security and to preserve the "Accepted Hierarchy."

A Healthy Society:
  • A balance of both Monogamy and Polygamy.
  • Banning of Pornography.
  • Re-direct the idea of forced monogamy with enforced strong marriage - stop promoting divorce or cheap access to it.
  • For divorces that do not involve - infidelity, drug use, domestic abuse - Court enforced family classes, counseling & tax incentives to encourage the family to stay together rather than split the homes/assets and children's heart/mind.
  • Stop encouraging divorce with mandatory child support and instead enforce mandatory shared custody (excluding drug use, domestic abuse..etc - situations). This would free up the court system and stabilize unstable families.
  • Re-direct the cash assistance/food stamps to healthy strong families that are securing society's future, by having children raised in a good home. (Polygamy could assist with problems of single mothers).
  • Military should provide a larger signing bonus and housing/MOS choices towards sexless men, as in the days of old. This will direct their energy towards the benefit of society (they may even get in shape and find someone overseas on deployment like our Vietnam or Korean war veterans!).


http://www.coabode.org/
  • Check out the number of homeless single mothers searching for other single mothers or families to take them in for (co-habitation). Definitely not a symptom of a destabilized society.

w w w singlemotherguide.com/single-mother-statistics
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Peterson is pandering to the incels because that's a huge chunk of his viewership "The Beta Male King". Every time I have talked to a close friend or family about polygamy, those concerns were repeated (It destabilizes society OR think of the children). Enforcement of monogamy is really asking for enforced sex, not everyone deserves sex & sex should not be something earned. Sex should be granted and given by consenting lovers. Sex should not be considered a tool, treat, reward system for sexless men. Sex is for procreation (sure does feel good though thanks GOD!). I also believe not everyone deserves to procreate or have children (sorry not sorry). If you are a genetic dead end, piled high with genetic diseases and unhealthy life habits, maybe consider not destabilizing the gene pool and obtain a hobby or five, save money or help your family/friends raise their children. Women should have the freedom of choosing their mates based on their emotional, and biological or spiritual needs; competition creates a healthy society. I guess their fear is simple - sexless men get angry and aggressive and are dangerous to women...blah blah. But in reality, sexless men start to aim their frustrations on the broken system and the people and institutions that enforce their loneliness or misery. Sexless men have always been a problem today and in the ancient world but in the past brothels, warfare, famine, and church(s) (sexless men devoting their love and energy towards serving their God or religion as monks & priests) kept society in check. There are two population problems today, lack of children being born (in general and in healthy families), and the increasing population of sexless men with no goals, missions or desires to compete.

Please excuse my autistic rant.

Modern Societies: Definitely not destabilized.
  • Millions of children living in split homes or never even having a united family, most all in poverty.
  • Monogamous Divorce rates 40-50%.
  • Single parent homes forced to pay others to raise their children, destroying early familial bonding.
  • Single parents not able to work in some states and areas due to daycare expenses costing more than 2-3 minimum wage jobs can provide.
  • Single parent dating confuses and emotionally stunts the children's healthy development. How many potential moms/dads does a kid have to get their hopes up for, only to be crushed after a short emotional ride with a crash at the end?
  • In some cases, young (late teen) single parents raising children to repeat the cycle of "kids raising - kids - raising kids"
  • Online dating and hook up culture - promoted by the entertainment industry - Giving young adults a corrupt degenerate view of courting, communicating, and sex in general.
  • Free pornography - creates incels , gives men and women unrealistic views and outlooks of sex. Creates dopamine addictions, encourages infidelity of thought & mind, can lead to physical infidelity.
  • Western economies and countries importing millions of climate (economic) refugees to offset the tilted scales, of more pensioners than new workers entering the work industry. Sacrificing unique cultures for monetary security and to preserve the "Accepted Hierarchy."

A Healthy Society:
  • A balance of both Monogamy and Polygamy.
  • Banning of Pornography.
  • Re-direct the idea of forced monogamy with enforced strong marriage - stop promoting divorce or cheap access to it.
  • For divorces that do not involve - infidelity, drug use, domestic abuse - Court enforced family classes, counseling & tax incentives to encourage the family to stay together rather than split the homes/assets and children's heart/mind.
  • Stop encouraging divorce with mandatory child support and instead enforce mandatory shared custody (excluding drug use, domestic abuse..etc - situations). This would free up the court system and stabilize unstable families.
  • Re-direct the cash assistance/food stamps to healthy strong families that are securing society's future, by having children raised in a good home. (Polygamy could assist with problems of single mothers).
  • Military should provide a larger signing bonus and housing/MOS choices towards sexless men, as in the days of old. This will direct their energy towards the benefit of society (they may even get in shape and find someone overseas on deployment like our Vietnam or Korean war veterans!).


http://www.coabode.org/
  • Check out the number of homeless single mothers searching for other single mothers or families to take them in for (co-habitation). Definitely not a symptom of a destabilized society.

w w w singlemotherguide.com/single-mother-statistics



To Clarify - Beta male is a term I applied not to men of a certain height or physical body type. TO me Beta male is a mindset, a personality type and thought process. Someone who gives up on competition and becomes a victim of his own mindset. During my time in the service, some of the most lethal, loyal, manly men were under 5'8 special forces soldiers.
 
I think Jordans argument is faulty here
he states that polygamous relationships result in violent unstable society because history has shown this.

Correlation does not imply causation​

it is also arguable that violent society’s lead to more polygamous relationships
(strong men have the ability and resources to defend woman from violence and are desirable because of this)

I think assuming that monogamy is the perfect relationship and fixes all is a problem
The real issue he’s addressing is the accepted promiscuous behaviour within society and the resulting instability.
Enforced monogamy allows lazy incels to continue to be lazy while tilting the system in their favour.

Mono or poly without commitment is a disaster
 
I think Jordans argument is faulty here
he states that polygamous relationships result in violent unstable society because history has shown this.

Correlation does not imply causation​

it is also arguable that violent society’s lead to more polygamous relationships
(strong men have the ability and resources to defend woman from violence and are desirable because of this)

I think assuming that monogamy is the perfect relationship and fixes all is a problem
The real issue he’s addressing is the accepted promiscuous behaviour within society and the resulting instability.
Enforced monogamy allows lazy incels to continue to be lazy while tilting the system in their favour.

Mono or poly without commitment is a disaster
My question would be what is the information that he is basing his opinion on?
Islamic society’s?
The Old Testament?
The Mormons?
 
Polygyny is good for society because it naturally pressures both men and women to be better, more honorable, more responsible, and more useful members of society.

What is the natural consequence when society accepts polygyny as a viable and good option?
Men will work harder to get good women. They will be better men overall.
Women will not settle for less than optimal husbands, and they will work harder to be a good wife in order to obtain a good man.
 
Polygyny is good for society because it naturally pressures both men and women to be better, more honorable, more responsible, and more useful members of society.

What is the natural consequence when society accepts polygyny as a viable and good option?
Men will work harder to get good women. They will be better men overall.
Women will not settle for less than optimal husbands, and they will work harder to be a good wife in order to obtain a good man.
This is what I refer to as the capitalism form of marriage, as opposed to the “everybody gets one” method.
Competition is great for everyone except the failures.
As the Duke said; “Life is hard, it’s even harder when you are stupid”. You can replace stupid with weak.
 
This is what I refer to as the capitalism form of marriage, as opposed to the “everybody gets one” method.
Competition is great for everyone except the failures.
As the Duke said; “Life is hard, it’s even harder when you are stupid”. You can replace stupid with weak.
Amen!
 
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