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Noahic Covenant and Abrahamic Covenant

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First what is the Noahic Covenant.
This is a copy of an paper done by some one else. Not my work. Edited by me with some of my thoughts added.

The children of Noah were commanded with seven commandments: [to establish] laws, and [to prohibit] cursing G-d, idolatry, illicit sexuality, bloodshed, robbery, and eating flesh from a living animal (Sanhedrin 56a; cf. Tosefta Avodah Zarah 8:4 and Genesis Rabbah 34:8).

The Laws
  1. Do establish laws.
  2. Don’t curse G-d.
  3. Do not practice idolatry.
  4. Do not engage in illicit sexuality.
  5. Do not participate in bloodshed.
  6. Do not rob.
  7. Do not eat flesh from a living animal.
The Details
The prohibition against idolatry refers specifically to idolatrous worship, and not to beliefs. In later generations, Jews had to determine whether the prevailing religious cultures in which they lived were idolatrous. Since Islam is strictly monotheistic, Muslims have always been considered Noahides. Since the later Middle Ages, Jews have acknowledged that the Christian doctrine of the Trinity was not the same as idolatry, and they were also recognized as Noahides.

The prohibition against theft includes kidnapping, cheating an employee or an employer, and a variety of similar acts.

The prohibition against illicit sexuality includes six particular prohibitions, derived from a single verse:

Noahides are prohibited from engaging in six illicit sexual relationships: with one’s mother, with one’s father’s wife, with another man’s wife, with his sister from the same mother, in a male homosexual union, and with an animal as it says, ‘Therefore shall a man leave his father…’ this refers to his father’s wife; ‘and his mother…” refers to the mother; ‘and cling to his wife…’ and not another’s wife; ‘wife…’ and not a homosexual union; ‘and become one flesh‘ (Genesis 2:24) excluding animals… (Maimonides, Laws of Kings, 9:5)

Eating flesh from a living animal is how the rabbis understood “But flesh with its life, which is its blood, you shall not eat” (Genesis 9:4). It has been suggested that the custom of eating an amputated limb of an animal was a way to keep the rest of the meat fresh in the days before refrigeration.

The Obligation to Create a System of Laws
According to the medieval philosopher and codifier Maimonides, the legal system which Noahides are required to set up is specifically to establish punishments for infractions of the other six Noahide laws (Laws of Kings 9:14).

Nahmanides, a medieval Bible commentator, understands the obligation more broadly:

In my opinion, the laws which the Noahides were to establish according to their seven commandments is not only to establish courts in each town, but that they were also commanded concerning theft, abuse, usury, labor relations, damages, loans, business, and the like, just as Israel was commanded to set up laws in these matters (Nahmanides, Commentary to Genesis 34:13).

Later authorities, including Rabbi Moses Sofer (1763-1839), claim that Maimonides did not exclude what Nahmanides had included, but that Maimonides considered all of these laws to be included under the prohibition of “theft.” Rabbi Naphtali Tzvi Yehudah Berlin (1817-1893) states that Nahmanides’ approach requires non-Jews to legislate on these matters, but the details and formulation of the legislation are left to their discretion.

Natural Law
The Noahide laws bear a striking resemblance to a separate rabbinic tradition that describes the commandments that would have been derived logically even if God had not included them in the :

‘You must keep my rulings’ (Lev. 18:4): These are the items which are written in the Torah which, had they not been written should logically have been written, such as the [prohibitions against] robbery, illicit sexuality, idolatry, cursing G-d, and bloodshed.” (Sifra, Ahare Mot, section 140)

The overlap here of five of the seven laws enumerated for Noahides indicates that they may have been understood as a sort of universal, natural morality. This is the way some modern philosophers, such as Hermann Cohen, understood them.

Indeed, based on the Talmudic discussion, Maimonides states:

Six items were commanded to Adam: concerning idolatry, blasphemy, bloodshed, illicit sexuality, theft, and laws…G-d added to Noah, the law of not eating from the flesh of a live animal.” (Maimonides, Laws of Kings 9:1)

The association of these laws with Adam implies that they were established as part of the creation of the natural world.

Laws for Non-Jews Under Jewish Rule
A conversation in tractate Sanhedrin assumes that Jewish courts should enforce the Noahide laws. Therefore, later authorities, most notably Maimonides, understood these laws as describing what Jews should require of non-Jews living under Jewish rule. Since Maimonides saw revelation as the clearest form of reason, it would be folly from his perspective, for non-Jews living under Jewish rule to rely upon their own inadequate reasoning powers to determine law when they have access to the superior reasoning of revelation.

Indeed, according to Maimonides, it is unacceptable for non-Jews living under a Jewish authority not to accept the Noahide laws:

If someone from the other nations wants to convert [they may] as it says ‘[the law is the same] for you, for a stranger’ (Numbers 15:15). But if they do not want to, we do not compel them to accept the Torah and the commandments. Moses did, however, command in the name of God to compel all people to accept the Noahide laws…” (Laws of Kings 8:10)

Maimonides’ approach, however, is much disputed among the classical commentators. Some interpreters of Maimonides have argued that he meant to obligate the Jewish court, but not individual Jews, to compel non-Jews to comply with the Noahide laws. Others have argued that the entire issue is irrelevant until the days of the Messiah. Nevertheless, it seems clear that Maimonides intended that whenever it was possible to compel observance, Jews should make an effort to do so.

Other medieval authorities, rather than attempting to re-interpret Maimonides’ statement, simply disagreed. Rabbi Abraham ibn Daud clearly rejects any obligation to compel observance of the Noahide laws, even in a situation where Jews have subjugated non-Jews in war. This seems to be the opinion of Rashi, Tosafot, Nahmanides, and Rashba, as well. In dealing with individual non-Jews as employees or slaves, none of the legal codes, aside from Maimonides’, mentions an obligation to impose Noahide laws or to punish non-Jews for violation of the Noahide laws.

By way of contrast, when Jews are likely to sin, other Jews are obligated to try and prevent that sin through intervention and education. In general, in modern times, no such obligation is mandated towards non-Jews who violate the Noahide laws. A notable and forceful exception is the opinion of the late Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, the last leader of Chabad-Lubavitch Hasidism. Schneerson wrote:

We must do everything possible to ensure that the seven Noahide laws are observed. If this can be accomplished through force or through other kinder and more peaceful means through explaining to non-Jews that they should accept G-d’s wishes [we should do so]…Anyone who is able to influence a non-Jew in any way to keep the seven commandments is obligated to do so, since that is what G-d commanded Moses our teacher (“Sheva Mitzvot Shel Benai Noach,” Hapardes 59:9 7-11, 5745)

Conclusion
That Jews perceive non-Jews as bound by a set of laws–even if they are not bound by the full range of Torah law–is a significant statement. The expectation that non-Jews will set up their own system of justice became the basis for peaceful interactions between Jews and non-Jews. The Noahide laws separated humanity after the flood from the lawless violence which brought G-d to the point of destroying the world. The Noahide laws stand as a testament to the Jewish belief in the need for the rule of law to protect all peoples.
 
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I always had a issue accepting that there was two covenants one for Jew and one for Gentiles based of the same set of laws but only the first 10 had to be followed by gentiles and the entire 613 by Jews. The Noahide laws also explain the discrepancies in the Gospels concerning Torah.
 
Thanks for opening this up.

Just to be clear, the "Noahide Laws" are a construction of the Jews through the Talmud and rabbinical rulings to understand how to relate to the gentiles, or how to understand what God expects of gentiles, correct? The list you gave doesn't appear in that form in the OT, correct?
 
Just to be clear, the "Noahide Laws" are a construction of the Jews through the Talmud and rabbinical rulings to understand how to relate to the gentiles, or how to understand what God expects of gentiles, correct? The list you gave doesn't appear in that form in the OT, correct?
Correct, You find references of them in the Book of Jubilees, and The oldest of Talmudic writings and Rabinical writings.
The only place in The gospels where a Noahide law is beleived to be mentioned is Acts 15:29. At the Jerusalem council which met to address the issue of the Gentiles’ place in the early assembly . The question before the council was, “Must Gentiles be circumcised according to Mosaic Law in order to be saved?” (Acts 15:1). The apostles in Jerusalem answered with a resounding “no.” We are not saved by keeping the Law (Galastians 2:16). However, to promote peace within the early assembly, the council advised Gentile believers to avoid four things, including the eating of “blood” (verse 29). None of the other three instructions correspond to any of the Noahide laws.

EDIT: The seven Noahide Laws are not explicitly listed in the Bible. Instead, they are derived according to the Talmud's interpretation of Genesis 2:16 given to Adam, and Genesis 9:4-6 given to Noah
 
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Just to add a bit here. The recognition of noahide laws has been passed into the laws of this country by Bush back in 1991.
 
Thanks, Kevin. I'm not trying to make a big deal out of that, just wanted to be specific that while all of that list can be substantiated as being biblically grounded, it's not grounded in specific chapter and verse in which God lays out a specific list in a covenant with Noah.

Cap, could you point us to the source for your statement? What I've found so far indicates that that's an overstatement.
 
Out of curiosity, did the talmud writers have anything in particular to say about Enoch, Jubilees, or Jasher?
 
Thanks, Kevin. I'm not trying to make a big deal out of that, just wanted to be specific that while all of that list can be substantiated as being biblically grounded, it's not grounded in specific chapter and verse in which God lays out a specific list in a covenant with Noah.

Cap, could you point us to the source for your statement? What I've found so far indicates that that's an overstatement.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/102nd-congress/house-joint-resolution/104/text

It's passed as part of an education bill but nevertheless it is now a law in the United States.

I am aware of the arguments of whether it is real or not, but it is on the books of this countries legal system for whatever reason.
 
Out of curiosity, did the talmud writers have anything in particular to say about Enoch, Jubilees, or Jasher?

The book of Jubilees never found wide spread acceptance and missed the date to be canonized in the Tanahk.
It was not completely ignored. "Many of the traditions which Jubilees includes for the first time are echoed in later Jewish sources, including some 12th-century midrashim which may have had access to a Hebrew copy. Although the Book of Jubilees was scarcely known in Talmudic times, many haggadot peculiar to it found their echo in Midrash Tadshe and Pirke R. Eli'ezer in addition to Genesis Rabbati. Encyclopedia Judaica adds that

"It is the source of the legend found in the famous liturgical piyyut ("Elleh Ezkerah") recited on the Day of Atonement, according to which Joseph was sold by his brethren on the Day of Atonement. The book had a particularly great influence over Beta Israel, whose ritual observances and whose calendar (particularly in respect to the date of Shavuot) are based upon it.

I have only come across one Midrash and reference to the Book of Jasper and it's an older reference than the 1625 date of the Book of Jasper so there is debate that the author of the Book used to Midrash to validate its authenticity.

The oldest known Jewish work not included in the Bible is the Book of Enoch. This is a complex work, written in the third (or perhaps even the late fourth) century BCE, after the return from the Babylonian Exile and the establishment of the Second Jewish Commonwealth (6th-5th centuries BCE) and before the Maccabean revolt in 172 BCE. The oldest copies of the Book of Enoch, dating from the third century BCE, were discovered among the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Enoch is known in Jewish tradition under the name Sefer Hekhaloth. It is part of a wider body of texts known as Hekhaloth literature. This book is now considered one of the primary texts of kabbalah though it is technically, like Sefer Yesirah, pre-kabbalah and subject to interpretations that don't necessitate a kabbalistic metaphysic.
 
That's a joint resolution of Congress designating a specific day (3/26/91) as "Education Day, USA" to honor an old Orthodox rabbi on his 89th birthday. It does not have the force of law, wouldn't matter if it did, and is more along the line of the sort of proclamation you could get from the governor's or mayor's office to have a day declared "Biblical Families" day or something.
 
https://www.congress.gov/bill/102nd-congress/house-joint-resolution/104/text

It's passed as part of an education bill but nevertheless it is now a law in the United States.

I am aware of the arguments of whether it is real or not, but it is on the books of this countries legal system for whatever reason.
That's a joint resolution of Congress designating a specific day (3/26/91) as "Education Day, USA" to honor an old Orthodox rabbi on his 89th birthday. It does not have the force of law, wouldn't matter if it did, and is more along the line of the sort of proclamation you could get from the governor's or mayor's office to have a day declared "Biblical Families" day or something.
 
We actually did that for my father for his 70th birthday, got a proclamation from the then-gov of Texas. Not a big deal....
 
That's a joint resolution of Congress designating a specific day (3/26/91) as "Education Day, USA" to honor an old Orthodox rabbi on his 89th birthday. It does not have the force of law, wouldn't matter if it did, and is more along the line of the sort of proclamation you could get from the governor's or mayor's office to have a day declared "Biblical Families" day or something.

I would agree with you about its significance, but the question I wonder is why do it? Mix eduction with the concept of laws for gentiles from a Jewish point of view.
 
Sucking up.
 
From what I have read, things are inserted into the record after-the-fact quite often. It’s totally meaningless.
 
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