Too Many “ Effeminates”

[Otto]

1 Cor 6:9 (NMB)

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived. For neither fornicators, nor worshippers of images, nor whoremongers, nor effeminates, nor abusers of themselves with the male sex,

The meaning behind that word has to do with men that are soft, or in submission (to women).

An example - a man (boyfriend or husband) who is afraid to tell his woman how to dress in public is not acting in authority. He’s not feeding her the flesh of Messiah. He’s not washing her clean with the word of God. One reason men are getting divorced - and rightly so - is that they are behaving like effeminates - believing that submission to a woman’s will end up with her respecting and loving him. When in reality - she will resent him over time.

 

[MeganC]

1 Cor 6:9 (NMB)

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived. For neither fornicators, nor worshippers of images, nor whoremongers, nor effeminates, nor abusers of themselves with the male sex,

The meaning behind that word has to do with men that are soft, or in submission (to women).

An example - a man (boyfriend or husband) who is afraid to tell his woman how to dress in public is not acting in authority. He’s not feeding her the flesh of Messiah. He’s not washing her clean with the word of God. One reason men are getting divorced - and rightly so - is that they are behaving like effeminates - believing that submission to a woman’s will end up with her respecting and loving him. When in reality - she will resent him over time.

This is right and in so many ways.

Even though I chafed at it, I found my husband's patriarchal attitudes and behavior to be kind of hot. Which is a way of saying that there's something women are designed to appreciate about a man who is both mentally and physically equipped to take charge.

"Consent" with Steve consisted of staying in his house or leaving it. But if you chose to stay then you consented to his terms.

At this point I could never abide someone who is constantly asking me permission for this or that, especially when it comes to intimacy. To me it conveys a lack of confidence and that's just not inspiring or romantic.

Having your husband take you by the hand and lead you off for romance is pretty danged hot.

Having him stop to ask your permission all the time? Not so much.

Also, I doubt I could respect someone who I can take in a fight. Or worse, someone I'd have to protect.

 

[frederick]

effeminates

The word in the Greek text is from μαλακός, referring to a catamite, a male who submits his body to unnatural lewdness with another male. It appears alongside ἀρσενοκοῖται (“men who… perform”) to bracket both passive and active participants in male-to-male intercourse.

Paul is not referring to a man's relationship with a woman, but a man with a man; the receiver and giver... .

 

[paterfamilias]

This is right and in so many ways.

Even though I chafed at it, I found my husband's patriarchal attitudes and behavior to be kind of hot. Which is a way of saying that there's something women are designed to appreciate about a man who is both mentally and physically equipped to take charge.

"Consent" with Steve consisted of staying in his house or leaving it. But if you chose to stay then you consented to his terms.

At this point I could never abide someone who is constantly asking me permission for this or that, especially when it comes to intimacy. To me it conveys a lack of confidence and that's just not inspiring or romantic.

Having your husband take you by the hand and lead you off for romance is pretty danged hot.

Having him stop to ask your permission all the time? Not so much.

Also, I doubt I could respect someone who I can take in a fight. Or worse, someone I'd have to protect.

This made me smile.
I am trying to imagine living the sort of life where you have to be protected by your women and I am coming up with a uncharacteristic blank.
I have had several women who we have talked to over time where I couched my terms politely with respect to my expectations for how she would dress/adorn herself if we did work out in the long term. Oddly the big sticking point so many had was things like makeup amd scents. I actively dislike all of it and disallow them.
The peculiar thing to my mind is that just boatloads of women will make the claim that they want leadership and very frequently they will say they wish to be dominated and controlled but when it is not some sore of childish bedroom playtime version of dominance, they will attempt to push back and consider it a red flag.

Good luck to that type but I suspect that none of them ended up living in a plural marriage.

 

[Joleneakamama]

Even though I chafed at it, I found my husband's patriarchal attitudes and behavior to be kind of hot. Which is a way of saying that there's something women are designed to appreciate about a man who is both mentally and physically equipped to take charge.

It sends a message that he knows where he's going....has direction and purpose.

At this point I could never abide someone who is constantly asking me permission for this or that, especially when it comes to intimacy. To me it conveys a lack of confidence and that's just not inspiring or romantic.

Having him stop to ask your permission all the time? Not so much.

I have always felt the man should have the guts to risk rejection. A man who asks for a hug or kiss just doesn't deserve them!

 

[MemeFan]

The peculiar thing to my mind is that just boatloads of women will make the claim that they want leadership and very frequently they will say they wish to be dominated and controlled but when it is not some sore of childish bedroom playtime version of dominance, they will attempt to push back and consider it a red flag.

Well, you can't stay leader if you can't keep subordinates in their place.

Every famous leader has faced conspiracies and takeover attempt by other people. Ohh, I forgot rebellions.

What, you guys expect to be spared such.......normal part of leadership?

LOL, how much employees think they could do better job than their managers?

 

[Mojo]

The word in the Greek text is from μαλακός, referring to a catamite, a male who submits his body to unnatural lewdness with another male. It appears alongside ἀρσενοκοῖται (“men who… perform”) to bracket both passive and active participants in male-to-male intercourse.

Paul is not referring to a man's relationship with a woman, but a man with a man; the receiver and giver... .

I hear that this is a distinction made in prisons as well. The receiver is generally seen as weak and passive, “effeminate”, Easily dominated.

 

[frederick]

I hear that this is a distinction made in prisons as well. The receiver is generally seen as weak and passive, “effeminate”, Easily dominated.

Yup, and when I was doing a prison Bible study ministry, I was informed the receiver was referred to as a "girl" and/or the girlfriend of the boss inmate.

 

[Otto]

The word in the Greek text is from μαλακός, referring to a catamite, a male who submits his body to unnatural lewdness with another male. It appears alongside ἀρσενοκοῖται (“men who… perform”) to bracket both passive and active participants in male-to-male intercourse.

Paul is not referring to a man's relationship with a woman, but a man with a man; the receiver and giver... .

Elsewhere in the NT - that Greek word is used for “soft:”



Homosexuality is also mentioned - but mentioned separately. The meaning behind that Greek word has been debated, but I believe how it’s used elsewhere is very valuable. In the book of Ezekiel - the men that are ruled by women end up dying by the sword. So it’s a perverted act - exchanging gender roles (the man being under submission to his woman) - and it’s a direct rebellion against his will (Genesis 3:16) - similar to homosexuality (Genesis 2:24).

 

[frederick]

Elsewhere in the NT - that Greek word is used for “soft:”

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Homosexuality is also mentioned - but mentioned separately. The meaning behind that Greek word has been debated, but I believe how it’s used elsewhere is very valuable. In the book of Ezekiel - the men that are ruled by women end up dying by the sword. So it’s a perverted act - exchanging gender roles (the man being under submission to his woman) - and it’s a direct rebellion against his will (Genesis 3:16) - similar to homosexuality (Genesis 2:24).

Yes, the word means soft, soft to the touch, and is used in passages such as Matthew 11:8 and Luke 7:25 to refer to soft clothing. But the context of it's use in 1 Corinthians 6:9 is in a list of sins that will prevent a person from being in the kingdom. These are sins with eternally condemning consequences. Some men may be softer and not strong leaders but I don't see that being condemned in Scripture. This particular sin, μαλακός, is listed between adulterers and sodomites. The condemnation of a catamite seems to fit the immediate and broader context best here. Shalom