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A look at Orania

Joleneakamama

Joleneakamama

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Hubby found this video tonight, and it was very interesting.
He (hubby) would like to hear input from others. His questions are "What are your thoughts on this community and what would you do different if you were setting up a community of like minded people?"
 
This sounds very cultish, segregation, supremacy....
I love the thought of a planned community just not like this
 
Pure and simple, segregation is the reason for a closed community. There are just different reasons for the segregation, not all of which I would favor.

Israel was somewhat of a closed community based on religion, but not on race or ethnicity.
The USA was originally separate city/states that banded together for mutual protection and then proceeded to lose their unique and individual rights to the greater good.

I have long considered different ways to have a small community as I would love to live in a mutually supportive atmosphere.

Edit: Most likely they would be totally closed to any further understanding of the Bible such as polygyny. They are stuck where they are at.
 
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Asforme&myhouse said:
Are you familiar with the situation in South Africa? White people there are having their homes and land confiscated because they are white.


It seems like it is well thought out and running smoothly.
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I'm of three minds on the whole South Africa thing. And two minds on likeminded communities.

1) The white landowners purchased that land legally, and should not have to relinquish nor vacate. It would be an injustice.

2) The laws under which the land was purchased (apartheid) were pretty blatantly racist, so was the law under which they purchased it truly just?

3) South Africa is a sovereign nation. Let them do as they please and hash it out on their own. (This is my libertarian position and probably my strongest inclination).

Regarding communities:

1) Sounds great. Who wouldn't want like minded folks to be around on a daily basis?
2) Don't expect utopia. Human nature tends to always win out in those situations. The Amish and Mennonites are generally an exception, but they have their own problems that don't often get publicized.
 
I’m not a private community/commune type of person. I think those types of things sometimes start out good, but they seem to almost always deteriorate into places you would never want to live.

I don’t think it’s fair to call this group a bunch of white supremacists because they are choosing to live in a closed community for protection. The absolutely brutal atrocities being perpetrated against white South Africans is absolutely shocking and is mostly being ignored by the media. There is a reason everyone is armed and they have heavy security in Orania.
 
Asforme&myhouse said:
I’m not a private community/commune type of person. I think those types of things sometimes start out good, but they seem to almost always deteriorate into places you would never want to live.

I don’t think it’s fair to call this group a bunch of white supremacists because they are choosing to live in a closed community for protection. The absolutely brutal atrocities being perpetrated against white South Africans is absolutely shocking and is mostly being ignored by the media. There is a reason everyone is armed and they have heavy security in Orania.
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Wait, who called them racists? On this forum, or elsewhere?

I wouldn't begrudge anyone from self protection, but I do believe that some of the promoting of this can be dog whistle stuff stoked by nefarious groups with tribal/ divisive agendas. It gets people worked up over things they have no control over, and incites fear that it may be coming to a land near you.
 
Mojo said:
Wait, who called them racists? On this forum, or elsewhere?

I wouldn't begrudge anyone from self protection, but I do believe that some of the promoting of this can be dog whistle stuff stoked by nefarious groups with tribal/ divisive agendas. It gets people worked up over things they have no control over, and incites fear that it may be coming to a land near you.
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Oops, sorry, read that wrong, not racists, but supremacists. That comment did show up. I disagree that they appear to be supremacists.....but.....some of that ilk seem to want to be promoting this concept for their own purposes....just saying.
 
Mojo said:
Oops, sorry, read that wrong, not racists, but supremacists. That comment did show up. I disagree that they appear to be supremacists.....but.....some of that ilk seem to want to be promoting this concept for their own purposes....just saying.
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Yeah, I guess it could be used that way, maybe? I don’t think that has anything to do with Orania though. Those folks are staring down the barrel of a potential genocide. I think it’s a bit supercilious to sit in judgment of their intentions while they are doing what they feel is necessary to protect their families.
 
I had an abysmal time understanding them, so I had to google it.

I suppose for security sake were I in SA, I would have to live there or somewhere like it. I wouldn't live anyplace where my family was in active danger everyday for just being white.

I'm a multi heritage mutt, but lines being drawn between ethnic groups doesn't scare me. theologically speaking. Jesus said nation (ethnos) would rise against nation. It's as inevitable as wars continuing till the end and the poor always being among us. I wouldn't fault the South Africans for not wanting the Afrikaners to live and mix with them or vice versa. I would only fault them for oppressing the alien in their midst.

Joleneakamama said:
"What are your thoughts on this community and what would you do different if you were setting up a community of like minded people?"
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I wouldn't do without law enforcement. If I felt the need to separate myself from the machine on the outside, I wouldn't farm out all my justice to that same machine. "My people" deserve better than that. The justice system should be modeled as closely as possible to the justice system of the OT. (More emphasis on beatings and fines of restoration to the victim, rather than purposeless imprisonment, for example)

I struggle with the idea of setting up a community like this unless it was needful for survival, though. If I was among like minded people who loved Jesus all the time, I would worry that I was not fighting the war like I'm supposed to. This earthly, mortal life of mine is the only one in which I'll be able to earn scars. I wouldn't want to waste it among people who aren't likely to give me any.
 
I personally am not judging them. They need to do what they need to do....but....but....but.....don't discount groups around the world (and in the US) that use scenarios like Orania to stoke fear and incite rage along racial lines.

It's just like the Tibbetts case in Iowa. It has already been turned into a narrative about illegal immigration, and used by folks with an agenda, even when some parts of her family are begging for her death not to be used as a political pawn.


I abhor genocide perpetrated on any race.
I detest the illegal invasion upon a sovereign nation.
I am wary of groups or people looking to exploit situations for personal agendas.
 
Mojo said:
incites fear that it may be coming to a land near you
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The ongoing genocidal campaign of theft, rape, torture, and murder against South African whites IS a warning. The same anti-white rhetoric has been heating up in the US as well; it just hasn't broke out [much] into action yet.
 
FEAR is a tool used by all sides to stoke emotions.
FEAR turns to anger.

I refuse to be a marionette to purveyors of fear and anger.

Back to the post. Simply put, I defend their right to free assembly and protection of their lives and families. As a model for BF folks??? Not sure this is for us, or me in particular.

I might consider a BF colony, but like @Slumberfreeze, I would leave often to mix it up with the wandering souls yearning to be free.
 
Asforme&myhouse said:
Are you familiar with the situation in South Africa? White people there are having their homes and land confiscated because they are white.


It seems like it is well thought out and running smoothly.
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I understand what the situation is. Be it black, white, U.S., or any other country.... wrong is wrong! Two wrongs don't make a right. Segregation, violence, theft, murder, etc... from any side is, from any group of people is not acceptable in the eyes of God so why should it be to his children?
I understand that the people are trying to live and work in a horrible situation but I don't believe this is the way to do it.
This is my opinion, @Joleneakamama asked what we thought. I responded with my opinion.
 
Patricia C said:
Segregation, violence, theft, murder, etc... from any side is, from any group of people is not acceptable in the eyes of God
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I hear you. (Warning, but-monkey on the horizon)
But, my house is not open to just anyone who wants to live there. It is, if you will, segregated from those who do not hold my values and beliefs. If I enlarge the borders of my property to include other facilities for living arrangements, I retain the right to decide who will dwell with my family and I live with the responsibility to protect my family from those from whom I may perceive as being dangerous to those in my household.
Segregation which is imposed by the government is what is completely and totally unacceptable.
 
"Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering."

I lived in South Africa for five years. It seems to me that not everyone will always have exactly the same motives when they work together.

I think it is a shocking double standard that some communities are lauded for promoting their interests as minorities whereas other communities who try that, even when they are an extreme minority, are called supremacists.

I don't fault those that would seek to provide safeguards for their children when their government will not.

I don't believe that Orania can last. If the country goes all Zimbabwe on everyone, they won't stand a chance. Thus, in my opinion, it is a solution which counts on being ignored indefinitely. I do not think it is a wise hope. Therefore, I do not think it is a good solution. However, does anyone currently have a better one to offer these people?

By the way, Afrikaans people are some of the most amazing, loving, and generous folks I've ever met. Sure, the Apartheid and underlying political party, were a disaster of note, but a very large portion of the Afrikaans people, stout Christians opposed the evils of their day. Many died to do so.

A friend of mine had family members who were bombed by the Apartheid government because they worked for the equal rights of the people that are now denying her equal rights.

The hope of the world is when Messiah returns. Until then, we do our best.
 
steve said:
I hear you. (Warning, but-monkey on the horizon)
But, my house is not open to just anyone who wants to live there. It is, if you will, segregated from those who do not hold my values and beliefs. If I enlarge the borders of my property to include other facilities for living arrangements, I retain the right to decide who will dwell with my family and I live with the responsibility to protect my family from those from whom I may perceive as being dangerous to those in my household.
Segregation which is imposed by the government is what is completely and totally unacceptable.
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I agree Steve and understand.
Being the mother of what I call gap babies (half "black") I have seen and experienced the racial divide in this country.
My heart hurts for South Africa and everyone living in such horrible divide. I am not heartless to the plight of All! However, I myself have been called to Love and my weapon of warfare is not in the carnal. It is, 1st love, 2nd peace, 3rd the words of my Testimony.
I have to live by this standard because that is what I have been called to. Because I am not married, Yeshua is my covering. Should I ever have a husband I would hope he would love that quality in me and I will honor his position to protect our family however Yahweh places on his heart.
I will protect my children as necessary.
I am not heartless.1971_1528923707468.jpeg
 
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