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Ezekial's Prophecies - True/False? Help

sadanyagci

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There are prophecies in Ezekiel mentioning the destruction of Tyre (Ezekiel 26), and Egypt (Ezekiel 29). Historically, I can't see how they occurred.

I do know that Rabbis of the time would have at least said something about it. They would have read the prophecies and said something about them. What was their opinion?

Now, I'm one who has found many "contradictions" in the Bible and researched them, finding out that they aren't contradictions in the original languages. I started calling them "apparent contradictions" about 4 years ago, because that happened so often. This one, however, is really taxing me.

I've never actually found help by others in these topics, but I've seen more seeking God and truth and family here than anywhere. So I ask here. My heart and mind are tired. Does anyone have any information on this?
 
sadanyagci said:
There are prophecies in Ezekiel mentioning the destruction of Tyre (Ezekiel 26), and Egypt (Ezekiel 29). Historically, I can't see how they occurred.

I do know that Rabbis of the time would have at least said something about it. They would have read the prophecies and said something about them. What was their opinion?

Now, I'm one who has found many "contradictions" in the Bible and researched them, finding out that they aren't contradictions in the original languages. I started calling them "apparent contradictions" about 4 years ago, because that happened so often. This one, however, is really taxing me.

I've never actually found help by others in these topics, but I've seen more seeking God and truth and family here than anywhere. So I ask here. My heart and mind are tired. Does anyone have any information on this?

Hi Sadanyagci,

First, how do you pronounce your name? It's very interesting. What does it mean? It looks like it might sound like "sah-dan-yahg-she" or something like that.

Anyway, one thing to consider is that we may not always know the historical details concerning every prophetic fulfillment. Prophecies can be fulfilled without leaving behind a historical record. They meant something to those people at that time, who are now long gone.

On the other hand, a number of commentators supply some historical information about the prophecies against both Tyre and Egypt.

For Tyre:

"The siege of Tyre lasted thirteen years beginning 585 b.c., about three years after the capture of Jerusalem. While besieging Jerusalem, Nebuchadnezzar had driven Pharaoh Hophra back to the borders of Egypt. Tyre being thus relieved from a dangerous enemy, was exulting in her own deliverance, and in her neighbor’s ruin, when Ezekiel predicted the calamity about to befall her. The name Tyre means rock, and was given to the city in consequence of its position. This island-rock was the heart of Tyre, and the town upon the continent - called “Old Tyre,” possibly as having been the temporary position of the first settlers - was the outgrowth of the island city. The scanty records of ancient history give no, distinct evidence of the capture of insular Tyre by Nebuchadnezzar; but the fact is very probable. Compare especially Eze_26:7-12; Eze_29:18. The present state of Tyre is one of utter desolation, though the end was long delayed (compare Isa. 23). Tyre was great and wealthy under Persian, Greek, Roman, and even Muslim masters. The final ruin of Tyre was due to the sultan of Egypt (1291 a.d.)." (Albert Barnes' Notes on the Bible)

For Egypt:

"...The truth of the prediction in Eze_29:13-16 has been confirmed by history, inasmuch as Egypt never recovered its former power after the Chaldean period." (Keil & Delitzsch Commentary on the Old Testament)

"...Now this is supposed to have had its accomplishment soon after, when this Pharaoh, in defence of Aricius king of Libya, who had been expelled his kingdom by the Cyrenians, levied a great army, and went out against the Cyrenians, to re-establish his friend, but was defeated in battle, and all his forces were put to flight, which gave such disgust to his kingdom that they rose in rebellion against him. Thus was he left thrown into the wilderness, he and all the fish of the river with him. Thus issue men's pride, and presumption, and carnal security. Thus men justly lose what they might call their own, under God, when they call it their own against him." (Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible)

So, concerning Tyre, we know that Tyre is no longer inhabited, fulfilling the end result of the prophecy against her: "I will give you terrors, and you will not be. Though you are sought, yet you shall never be found forever says the Lord Jehovah." (Ezekiel 26:21) This has proven to be true, so the details prior to that likely happened, though we simply don't know what they are from history. Maybe someday a detailed account of the fall of Tyre will be found, and it will certainly match the Biblical prophecy.

As for Egypt, again, we know what the end result is, and it matches with the prophecy. Egypt is desert and waste still today (Ezekiel 29:9) and they are no longer a great kingdom that rules over nations (Ezekiel 29:15). Also the scattering of the Egyptians into other nations is actually recorded by Berosus and is found in the Antiquities of the Jews by Flavius Josephus. I also found one commentary concerning the cities of Egypt deserted for forty years: "The country from Migdol or Magdolan, which was on the isthmus between the Mediterranean and the Red Sea, was so completely ruined, that it might well be called desert; and it is probable that this desolation continued during the whole of the reign of Amasis, which was just forty years. See Herod. lib. 3 c. 10; and see Calmet." (Adam Clarke's Commentary on the Bible)

Hope this helps! It is always amazing to me to see the fulfillment of prophecy. Even though we don't always know the details because historical records are so scant from those time periods, we can see the end results in many cases, and know that the details have been fulfilled as well.


John for Christ
 
This might help concerning Tyre. Make your own opinion.

http://eternalministries.org/articles/P ... ngTyre.htm

"When the Babylonians destroyed Tyre, the people rebuilt their city on an offshore island thinking they were safe from any other invasions. In 332 BC, Alexander the Great laid siege to the island port of Tyre for 7 months. He took the ruins of the old city and scraped the dust into the water to make a causeway to the island port (Ezek. 26:12-14).2 The bare ground today is evidence of the literalness of this prophetic fulfillment."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Tyre
 
You are right. The old city of Tyre was never rebuilt. It is still in ruins on the mainland. There is a new city of Tyre though. That Wikipedia article talks about the new city with the same name (on the island across from the old mainland city) being attacked by Alexander the Great. As for Egypt, I'm not worried about it. I don't expect many records of them. They liked to doctor their history anyway.

Thank you, John and Welltan.

Oh, and John, my father is Turkish, and my name is spelled the Turkish way. Şadan Yağcı.
Ş = Sh
A = A as in fAther
D = normal
A = A as in fAther
N = normal

Y = normal
A = A as in fAther
Ğ = No sound
C = G as in Genie
I = I as in pencIl

Şadan is an old Persian word meaning happy
Yağcı is a turkish word... yağ is oil, and the cı at the end makes it an occupation.

So, I'm "Happy Oilman". Nice to meet you, "God's Grace" for Christ. :mrgreen:
 
sadanyagci said:
You are right. The old city of Tyre was never rebuilt. It is still in ruins on the mainland. There is a new city of Tyre though. That Wikipedia article talks about the new city with the same name (on the island across from the old mainland city) being attacked by Alexander the Great. As for Egypt, I'm not worried about it. I don't expect many records of them. They liked to doctor their history anyway.

Yes, the Tyre that was prophesied to be destroyed was destroyed and never rebuilt. I don't think a new city of Tyre would really qualify as a disruption of the prophecy, personally. It's a different city, a bit like New Mexico isn't Mexico, or something like that. Same name, different place.

I learned about how Egypt doctored their history particularly in regards to a female pharaoh and the "missing" pharaoh, which may have been the one that Moses went up against. The Egyptians didn't really like anything that made them look bad...

sadanyagci said:
Oh, and John, my father is Turkish, and my name is spelled the Turkish way. Şadan Yağcı.
Ş = Sh
A = A as in fAther
D = normal
A = A as in fAther
N = normal

Y = normal
A = A as in fAther
Ğ = No sound
C = G as in Genie
I = I as in pencIl

Şadan is an old Persian word meaning happy
Yağcı is a turkish word... yağ is oil, and the cı at the end makes it an occupation.

So, I'm "Happy Oilman". Nice to meet you, "God's Grace" for Christ. :mrgreen:

Thank you for that information. Very interesting. Does the "oil" origin come from the ancient olive oil trade, or something like that, or is it of more modern orgin, from petroleum? Someday we'll have to chat about Turkey. I don't know much, except I've heard of the coffee, and it sounds like a very mysterious and interesting country.

Nice to meet you too, "Happy". That's a good name. May God grace you with great happiness in your life, and may others see it in you, for His glory!


John for Christ
 
John for Christ,
Jumping in here...the family name comes from the Eastern Black Sea region of Turkey, most of the family being involved in shipping back at least a few generations. I do see Exxon making a recent Black Sea Oil deal and Europe signing a deal for a petroleum pipeline.

There are also olive trees growing in that area, though it's far north. I've never been to the 'home country' but I'm told it has a climate similar to Scotland. I'm more inclined to believe the name comes from the olive oil - possibly exporting of it.

However, I have my own personal take on the name... I've claimed it to be the oil of the Holy Spirit and that's what we carry (and export). I question whether the clan was always Muslim as they were at one time united with the same peoples who now live on the Southern Russian border, who I've heard are Russian Orthodox Christians. I'd love to look into it, but I doubt it would be easy.

It's fun to think about how the Lord knows the origins and history of every individual from the beginning of time, and that "I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand {generations} of those who love me and keep my commandments." Exodus 20:5-6 He shows jealousy for those who love him so much more than against those who don't, proven by the mathematical difference here. Meaning there was probably someone or ones special in the line back somewhere...even back to a thousand generations!

Turkey is a very special country. The only Muslim country for decades allied with Israel. The one country that strategically straddles both Asia and Europe, and bears up against the Middle East at the same time. The people remind me of Americans in a lot of ways - highly nationalistic, a hodge-podge of mixed races... a pure Turk is hard to find really, and you can see a few rare ones with Chinese type features.

Blessings, Beta

 
Beta said:
John for Christ,
Jumping in here...the family name comes from the Eastern Black Sea region of Turkey, most of the family being involved in shipping back at least a few generations. I do see Exxon making a recent Black Sea Oil deal and Europe signing a deal for a petroleum pipeline.

There are also olive trees growing in that area, though it's far north. I've never been to the 'home country' but I'm told it has a climate similar to Scotland. I'm more inclined to believe the name comes from the olive oil - possibly exporting of it.

However, I have my own personal take on the name... I've claimed it to be the oil of the Holy Spirit and that's what we carry (and export). I question whether the clan was always Muslim as they were at one time united with the same peoples who now live on the Southern Russian border, who I've heard are Russian Orthodox Christians. I'd love to look into it, but I doubt it would be easy.

It's fun to think about how the Lord knows the origins and history of every individual from the beginning of time, and that "I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand {generations} of those who love me and keep my commandments." Exodus 20:5-6 He shows jealousy for those who love him so much more than against those who don't, proven by the mathematical difference here. Meaning there was probably someone or ones special in the line back somewhere...even back to a thousand generations!

Turkey is a very special country. The only Muslim country for decades allied with Israel. The one country that strategically straddles both Asia and Europe, and bears up against the Middle East at the same time. The people remind me of Americans in a lot of ways - highly nationalistic, a hodge-podge of mixed races... a pure Turk is hard to find really, and you can see a few rare ones with Chinese type features.

Blessings, Beta

Hi Beta,

I keep forgetting that you are in Kuwait (or at least your location says that).

Anyway, concerning your genetic history, some DNA genealogy projects having been tracing many thousands of people worldwide, most likely some from the groups you are wanting to know about.

For between around $150-900 (U.S.), one can get a detailed breakdown of their genetics, both Y-Chromosome and Mitochondrial DNA, to trace both parents, and discover many things they may not otherwise have known about their roots.

While it is not an exact science by any means, it gives you a lot of interesting information about your family origins both geographically and by family lines (called "race" by many, but I consider all humans one race).

It would be fun to find out, if you could afford it. I can't quite yet, but one of these days I'll let one of my children get tested and compare their results, since theirs are mine and their mother's DNA, meaning I pay less for more results! ;->


John for Christ
 
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