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Greetings From "Fly Over Country"

Tele-Caster

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This site is a fantastic resource and I am delighted to have found it!

I am a happily married (monogamous) pastoral ministry school graduate with a son (age 10) and daughter (soon to be 8). For a variety of reasons, my wife and I believe that the Lord is leading us to be open to polygyny. It might be more accurate to say that we feel as though we're being called into polygyny.

A couple of years ago, we moved to "fly over country" and this has proved to be a blessing, for the most part. All is not "peaches and sunshine," however. There is, in fact, one aspect of workaday life in this little corner of the world that is downright depressing.

We're supposed to be in the "Bible Belt" yet serial monogamy runs rampant around here. Most of the people that we've come to know here now have been divorced, and many have divorced and re-married several times over. Local demographics seem to be a major factor in this.

Here, there are far more single 18 to 35 year old females than single males in the same age bracket. Here, men don't have to go to any effort to keep a marriage together. If things don't go their way, they just go, leaving wife and kids behind. They can find a new woman to co-habitate with before the week is out. The men know this, and a good many play the situation to their advantage. The women know it, too, and at least for those that my wife and I know personally, they seem to believe that subsequent relationships will meet with the same doom that their previous one did. Sadly, the odds are that they are right.

What is supposed to be a source of joy quickly devolves into something utterly lacking in that commodity. Its a repeating cycle, and its a depressing one to watch when it involves neighbors, friends, and co-workers. How do things get this way? Is there a solution to change the situation, and if so, what is it?

Because my wife and I both know so many people in our corner of the world who have been in and out of failed relationships, this subject became a topic of conversation between us on numerous occasions, and we felt a burden to lift those people we know in those failed relationships up to the Lord.

One day, while discussing this topic, my wife submitted that the solution was polygyny. This was probably not easy for her to do, knowing that I am a graduate of a para-denominational pastoral ministry program and all with said organization being stuanchly "monogous only" in its doctrines. But I am blessed to be married to a woman who trusts me enough to say even difficult things, and after offering polygyny as a solution, she also admitted that she does not think such relationships to be sinful. On the contrary, she believes polygyny to be scripturally sound and just as valid for the Body of Christ today as it was for those Old Testiment figures who engaged in it.

Prior to my wife's raising of the polygyny issue, we really never shared our beliefs regarding it with each other. The subject simply never came up. When it did, my wife was surprised to learn that I agreed with her view of the matter.

In explaining why she believed polygyny to be a Scripturally sound lifestyle choice today, she laid out a very compelling and well-reasoned argument, one which was vastly similar to the argument that I formed in my head and heart already. She also offered a multitude of practical benefits. For the past nine months or so, we've been doing some casual research on Christian polygyny, sometimes independently and sometimes together. Of all of the sites on the Intermess dealing with the issue, this one seemed to be the most biblically sound.

We're not actively seeking to add a wife to our family, leaning instead on the understanding that "where God guides, God provides." Our goal is simply to make ready for His provision, should such be His will. Whether ours becomes a "poly" family or not, my wife and I are both committed to the truth that polygyny IS a biblical form of marriage that remains valid for believers today. We both look forward to joining in on the discussion.

Tele-Caster

P.S. The "Tele-Caster" name comes from the fact that I lead worship with a Fender Telecaster guitar and am an avid fly fisher.
 
Tele-Caster!!

Welcome to the board! Make yourself at home and take advantage of all the resouces and fellowship available. We are also on Facebook, MySpace and Twitter, so join us there as well.

It sounds like you have given this a great deal of thought and contemplation. You have also overcome some of the greatest objections to plural marriage as well. Brother, you will be RIGHT AT HOME here.

We already have some ready-made connections for you in MO, KS, and TX! I think it may be time for an MOARKLATEX retreat!

Blessings,

Doc
 
Since it is usually associated with New Yorkers and denizens of 'the District' - it technically refers to about everything in between the East Coast and LA, Lissa.

But, more colloquially, it's the whole mid-West.
 
Welcome aboard.....we are in southeast Kansas if you are anywhere close to there lets get together. We are looking for a sister/wife as well.

Kscouple
 
I had never heard that term, and when he said the "bible belt" I was very confused. I am in Texas and it seems that the bible belt is here.

Oh well. What do you want from a Nevadan turned Texan?

Thanks for the info.

SweetLissa
 
Welcome TC and may your stay here be blessed. Your story is typical of those to whom God is revealing His end-time truths about Biblical polygyny. You will find that many of us are in the same situation having received the revelation and still trying to sort it out.

Blessings,

Dr. Ray

p.s., Don't feel bad Lissa, I am from Kansas City and I thought he was off on a missionary trip on a Pacific island somewhere. :D I have also never heard the term. Thanks Mark for explaining.
 
Also I might add that it is VERY difficult to get these single ladies to see that poly is the right answer. My wife and I have tried this more then once. Many say they won't because its socially unacceptable and not because they are personally against it. I find this to be interesting....any comments?

Kscouple
 
Many say they won't because its socially unacceptable and not because they are personally against it. I find this to be interesting....any comments?

This is true of most things that fall into the category of "from God" as opposed to the "traditions of men" which have over time been "taught as doctrine". I tend to like to quote what Yeshua had to say about such things, since He was pretty blunt in most cases. (Things like "by your tradition" ye have made the commandments of God of "no effect", and so on.)

But more specifically, I can't help but remember the warning from James 4:4 that "...friendship of the world is enmity with God ".


Blessings,
Mark
 
Agreed. I would see it also as what I cover in some of my writings that the 'fairy tale' imprint on the psyche of women in the United States and indeed all over the world. Hollywood and Disney, etc. has for years taught us that in the end, the handsome prince comes and marries the beautiful princess and they live happily ever after. If that fairy tale does not come to pass, (and it usually does not) then the woman feels that there must be something wrong with her, or she did something wrong for it not to have happened to her. Just ask any girl or woman you want and they will tell you that they want the ‘fairy tale’. However, it is just that a bold-faced lie that they have had ingrained into their mind. It is extremely difficult to overcome. They will often carry that concept to their grave, forever denying the truth of God’s Word, will and way for them. These things are rooted in pride, fear and selfishness.

Until women comes to the end of themselves and realize that they have been lied to their whole lives by believing the fairy tale over the truth of God’s Word, they will never accept polygyny as an option, since it does not live up with the Disney story they would like to believe. The problem is that the fairy tale is really based on Christ, so it sounds good. Christ is the handsome prince and we WILL live happily ever after when we all ‘marry’ Him. Therefore, we all really want the fairy tale, it is just that we need to follow God’s Word and His way to get there. People are largely ignorant of these things and will suffer accordingly, because they openly reject the Word of God for human wisdom, just as Mark said. Sad really, because there are so many of us men out there who would love to take in these forlorn and forgotten women and children that society has deceived into believing that there is no other way than the fairy tale way. However, even when things go wrong for them, they still hang on to that false hope of the handsome prince coming into their lives, sweeping them off their feet and taking them to a land far, far away. We average Joes are just another ‘Shrek’ to them. It will take the great tribulation for the Disney fairy tale to finally be put to rest.

Be blessed,

Ray
 
Thanks to all for the warm welcome!

Apologies to SweetLissa for the title of my post. "Fly Over County" is a term used by national politicians and media pundit types to express their feelings about a part of the country that really doesn't matter to some of them. It is country that you fly over, rather than travel to on purpose, in the minds of some. I was using the term in jest. I like it here, just fine. "Here," by the way, is northeastern Oklahoma for me, which I think is supposed to be in the so-called "Bible Belt".

To Kscouple, I would enjoy fellowshipping with others who have come to realize the truth on this issue.

T-C
 
TC
You are probably close enough to join in some of our mid-west activities. I have gotten together with KS couple and Welltan in Missouri, near the OK border once and in SE OK once. It is fun but we would like to grow our little group. I am in Dallas. I have relatives in Lawton, and I have been to Tulsa once in 1984.

And no apology needed. We are all here to learn. I am in college, so learning is pretty much a daily occurance.

SweetLissa
 
First of all let me add CindyW's and my warm welcome. Glad you're here, Telecaster and wife.

Secondly, I wish there were an effective response to those who don't oppose PM, personally, but won't embrace it either.

I wonder if a huge part of the problem isn't with the stigma attached to the term, and the pictures in the news of Fundie Mormon versions, etc. Even Big Love fed the idea of a huge social stigma, which might be valid in hyper-PM-sensitive Utah, but garners a mere shrug so many other places.

Maybe we oughta find a way to drop the term, and just refer to Marriage as the Bible did. I wonder what would happen if a woman simply offered another woman to meet and marry her husband, so she'd have one too, and leave the whole terminology business out of it. Interesting thought.
 
Not a bad idea, Cecil. Actually, I guess I've even tried it myself.

Works sometimes. ;)

But then there's the whole "there can be only ONE!" thing that still comes up anyway...
 
Mark C said:
But then there's the whole "there can be only ONE!" thing that still comes up anyway...

Yup. 2 possible answers to that, depending on whether they're mainly argumentative or inquiring/puzzled. Respectively ...
** Hmmm. Really?
** You know that whole spiritual responsibility headship thing? Man is the head of woman, Jesus the head of man, God the head of Jesus? (Kids? Elsewhere we learn that parents are the heads of kids, but it is temporary as they grow up to be either men or women, mostly. A few grow up to be fruitcakes of one sort or another. *sigh*) Well,
-- .. God has all of us as sons and daughters now, raised up to live and reign and be joint heirs with Christ. He loves us all, right?
-- .. And Jesus is the spiritual husband of us all, and loves us each one as though we were the only human who had ever sinned, right?
-- .. And both men and women (generally) love all their kids, right?
-- .. So, where did we get the idea that men alone, out of these four levels of headship and responsibility, are only able or allowed to love and care for just one at the next level? We men must be awfully poor pathetic creatures.
 
Tele-Caster said:
This site is a fantastic resource and I am delighted to have found it!
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- We both look forward to joining in on the discussion.
Tele-Caster

P.S. The "Tele-Caster" name comes from the fact that I lead worship with a Fender Telecaster guitar and am an avid fly fisher.



It is a blessing to have found this site.
- T-C's wife
 
Tele-caster!

I so enjoyed your intro and the tender-hearted, integrity-filled transparency of your tale of your respective journeys to "pluraldom."

In our case, my hubby got it first, (as is often the case,) and it took me several years while he patiently waited for me to own it for myself. Ironically, I am the one with the degree in theology and the Master's in ministries, and therefore had much more tradition to wade through. (Go figure, huh.) Any chance your "Caster" has a Les Paul for a brother? (I lead worship, too. :) )

You guys sound like solid folks, and, like you, I am thankful for this site. Having had the opportunity to actually get to know some folks on the site personally has been a blessing, and I hope your experience is as positive as mine.

Ali
 
alit53 said:
Tele-caster!

Any chance your "Caster" has a Les Paul for a brother? (I lead worship, too. :) )

"Wado" (Cherokee for "thank you") to Ali for the warm welcome!

Nice to know that other P&W servants are on this board!

My Telecaster does have "siblings" currently. They are a G&L Legacy, which is like a Strat, but has a different tone pot circuit which works like two-band EQ on all pickup combinations. This allows you to have more LP-like midrange tone than you can get with a standard Strat. But you can make it sound really "Stratty," too -with that kind of "quack" you get running fr/mid and rr/mid pickups together. LP's are great guitars, for sure, but the Legacy gets me most of the way there, tone-wise, with a more familiar-to-me platform in terms of scale length, string spacing, string pressure and playing feel. My Telecaster's other sibling is a Deering Boston Model 5-string Banjo. Banjo was the first insturment I took up when I was 13. I got into guitars a couple of years after that, but I was an acoustic snob until my freshman year of college when I finally followed Dylan's lead and "went electric."

I'll probably have a Les Paul, someday, but I've got a strong case of GAS (Guitar Aquisition Syndrome) for an acoustic guitar, as I don't currently own one, and I want to get a Hofner bass guitar, too, so those things kind of have priority.

Thanks again, Ali, for the kind words.

Your Friend in Christ,
T-C
 
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