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Hostility and the Holy Spirit

OttoM

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Romans 8:7-8
7 For the sinful nature is always hostile to God. It never did obey God’s laws, and it never will. 8 That’s why those who are still under the control of their sinful nature can never please God.

Who had the Holy Spirit? King David:

Psalm 51:11
Do not banish me from your presence, and don’t take your Holy Spirit from me.

Was he hostile to God's laws - the Torah of YAH?

Psalm 119:97
Oh, how I love your torah! I think about it all day long.

Psalm 119:103
How sweet your words taste to me; they are sweeter than honey.

Even to this day - many Christians that claim to believe in the Messiah - are hostile to his instructions. They'd rather cling to the ways of the world, instead of being sanctified by the Word of Truth. Yahushua (Jesus) the Messiah told us that the world hates him. James wrote that friendship with the world means enmity with YAH. If people don't know how their Creator is - the Word made flesh - then they become easy targets for deception. The adversary's greatest weapon is someone's ignorance of the Scriptures, and we have plenty of toys and distractions to keep us away from the Word. So spend time in the Word like his beloved servant King David.
 
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Excellent point. Too many people, for too many years, have said, one way or another, 'I don't have to study or obey His Word, because the 'holy spirit' tells me what matters in that Book.' And what can evidently be ignored.

I tend to think, they have a 'spirit' guiding them, but is sure as hell ain't Holy.
 
Excellent point. Too many people, for too many years, have said, one way or another, 'I don't have to study or obey His Word, because the 'holy spirit' tells me what matters in that Book.' And what can evidently be ignored.

I tend to think, they have a 'spirit' guiding them, but is sure as hell ain't Holy.
People say that if you have the spirit in you, then you don't need the law to tell you to do the right thing.

But the Apostle Paul disagrees with those people...
Who are you going to believe?
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Paul just said that he had not known sin but by the law. The LAW is how he knew what sin was. That is PAUL telling you that the law defines sin and without the law, Paul would not even know what sin was.

The Holy spirit will NEVER defy scripture!
 
Torah requires animal blood and a high priest descended from Aaron.
Genesis 22:8

And Abraham said, God will provide himself the lamb for a burnt-offering, my son: so they went both of them together.

John 1:29

29 The next day he saw Yahushua (Jesus) coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

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Hebrews 5:10
And God designated him to be a High Priest in the order of Melchizedek.

Genesis 14:18
And Melchizedek, who was king of Salem and also a priest of the Most High God, brought bread and wine to Abram

The point is many things in the Torah, the writings, and the prophets pointed to Yahushua the Messiah. The Father in Heaven does nothing without first announcing it to his servants - the prophets (Amos 3:7).

Including the time period we are living today:

Hosea 3:4
For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without an altar, and without a priesthood, and without manifestations.

Future fulfillment (Greater Exodus):
Hosea 3:5
5 And afterward shall the children of Israel return, and shall seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall be amazed at the LORD and at his goodness in the last days.
 
Genesis 22:8

And Abraham said, God will provide himself the lamb for a burnt-offering, my son: so they went both of them together.

John 1:29

29 The next day he saw Yahushua (Jesus) coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

——————

Hebrews 5:10
And God designated him to be a High Priest in the order of Melchizedek.

Genesis 14:18
And Melchizedek, who was king of Salem and also a priest of the Most High God, brought bread and wine to Abram

The point is many things in the Torah, the writings, and the prophets pointed to Yahushua the Messiah. The Father in Heaven does nothing without first announcing it to his servants - the prophets (Amos 3:7).

Including the time period we are living today:

Hosea 3:4
For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without an altar, and without a priesthood, and without manifestations.

Future fulfillment (Greater Exodus):
Hosea 3:5
5 And afterward shall the children of Israel return, and shall seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall be amazed at the LORD and at his goodness in the last days.
What time period is Hosea speaking of?
 
What time period is Hosea speaking of?
Hosea is speaking to the Northern Kingdom of Israel. They were given a certificate and kicked out of the land. The 10 lost tribes. The time period varies between his present day and far in the future (the last days).

Paul references the prophet Hosea and makes the connection to the gentiles:

Romans 9:25-26

25 Concerning the Gentiles, God says in the prophecy of Hosea (chapter 2),
“Those who were not my people, I will now call my people. And I will love those whom I did not love before.”
26 And, “Then, at the place where they were told, ‘You are not my people,’there they will be called ‘children of the living God.’

Here's the thing - if you go back and Hosea Chapter 2 (that's what Paul is quoting) - the entire chapter is about the Northern Kingdom of Israel. The word gentile is never mentioned. It ends with a future prophecy of Israel (Paul says these are the gentiles) returning back to the desert (as in the days of Egypt a long time ago), and there being an everlasting peace covenant. This re-gathering has not happened ever in human history. There is no peace in the land, either.
 
Hosea is speaking to the Northern Kingdom of Israel. They were given a certificate and kicked out of the land. The 10 lost tribes. The time period varies between his present day and far in the future (the last days).

Paul references the prophet Hosea and makes the connection to the gentiles:

Romans 9:25-26

25 Concerning the Gentiles, God says in the prophecy of Hosea (chapter 2),
“Those who were not my people, I will now call my people. And I will love those whom I did not love before.”
26 And, “Then, at the place where they were told, ‘You are not my people,’there they will be called ‘children of the living God.’

Here's the thing - if you go back and Hosea Chapter 2 (that's what Paul is quoting) - the entire chapter is about the Northern Kingdom of Israel. The word gentile is never mentioned. It ends with a future prophecy of Israel (Paul says these are the gentiles) returning back to the desert (as in the days of Egypt a long time ago), and there being an everlasting peace covenant. This re-gathering has not happened ever in human history. There is no peace in the land, either.
But even right now we have a King and a Prince, and a Sacrifice, and an Altar, and a Priesthood, and manifestations.
 
What time period is Hosea speaking of?
He was obviously speaking to that northern kingdom (Aholah, Ephraim, Israel, Samaria, et al) that was later 'lost'.

But why would anyone assume - especially since Yahushua made it clear when He walked among them the first time, and did NOT restore them then - that Hoshea was ONLY speaking to an single time period?

Here's the thing - if you go back and Hosea Chapter 2 (that's what Paul is quoting) - the entire chapter is about the Northern Kingdom of Israel. The word gentile is never mentioned. It ends with a future prophecy of Israel (Paul says these are the gentiles) returning back to the desert (as in the days of Egypt a long time ago), and there being an everlasting peace covenant. This re-gathering has not happened ever in human history...
True. But the word often translated as "gentile" is almost universally "goyim" in the Hebrew, which literally means 'strangers', or 'others,' or 'nations.' Often, in context, they are people who have "lost their identity" - or forgotten it. When they became pagans, after exile, in that context, rendering as "gentile" may be appropriate, since it includes that pagan context, in that they were exiled for that very reason.

We just completed an in-depth study of the Book of Hoshea (Hosea) on the 'Torah Teachers' Round Table Show' (Hebrew Nation Radio network) and I think it is clear that so much of his warning is at least as apropos now -- to 'scattered Ephraim' -- as it was long before the destruction of even the second temple.
 
But even right now we have a King and a Prince, and a Sacrifice, and an Altar, and a Priesthood, and manifestations.
Everything written in the prophets has to be fulfilled. We can't cherry pick. We don't have one physically on this earth - that the nations and peoples of the earth can flock to. As it says in Isaiah:

Isaiah 2:2
In the last days, the mountain of the LORD's house will be the highest of allthe most important place on earth.
It will be raised above the other hills, and people from all over the world will stream there to worship. 3 People from many nations will come and say, “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of Jacob’s God. There he will teach us his ways, and we will walk in his paths.” For the LORD's Torah will go out from Zion; his word will go out from Jerusalem. 4 The Lord will mediate between nations and will settle international disputes. They will hammer their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will no longer fight against nation, nor train for war anymore.

When has that happened? It hasn't. Has every knee bowed down to Yahushua the Messiah? That verse in Philippians says "on Earth." Therefore, this is referring to the period that he has returned, and established his throne on Earth. Something that is mentioned in Isaiah Chapter 2. Also in Ezekiel 37:24-28. Also, in Micah Chapter 4.

Furthermore, have the two kingdoms of Israel returned back to the land? I'm not talking about the Jewish people - which was orchestrated by the Rothschilds btw (documented evidence). That's no different than Sarah forcing the prophecy to get fulfilled herself by giving Abraham Hagar. No - Scripture is very clear (just as it was with Sarah - "YOU" will give birth) - both the Northern Kingdom of Israel ( the lost tribes ) and the Southern Kingdom return back together. One King will rule over them. Back in the Holy Land - where YAH will return the land to its glory (like the Garden of Eden - Ezekiel 36:35). There will be an everlasting peace covenant, and they will never be scattered again. God will live with his people (return of Risen Messiah). There will be a 3rd temple made. So the Priesthood from the tribe of Levites will return.

True. But the word often translated as "gentile" is almost universally "goyim" in the Hebrew, which literally means 'strangers', or 'others,' or 'nations.' Often, in context, they are people who have "lost their identity" - or forgotten it. When they became pagans, after exile, in that context, rendering as "gentile" may be appropriate, since it includes that pagan context, in that they were exiled for that very reason.
I agree. The point I was making, however, is that chapter doesn't specifically mention "gentile/nations." It only talks about Israel (Northern Kingdom). But Paul made the connection - just as we have - that they became the gentiles of the world (nations/strangers/others). If anyone denies this through the overwhelming evidence - then Paul's own connection to Israel and Gentiles should seal the deal. Today's modern Christianity wants to be as far away to "Israel" as possible. Proof - they'll gladly celebrate all the (worldly) holidays of the world but want nothing to do with the Holy Days in Leviticus 23 - that were given by the Creator for his followers. They'd rather celebrate halloween and easter bunnies than Passover or Sukkot.

Recently - I read the side notes in the Geneva 1599 Bible for Ezekiel 37-38. They make the same connection:

Eze 37:16

37:16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take {d} another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and [for] all the house of Israel his companions:

(d) Which signifies the joining together of the two houses of Israel and Judah.

37:25 And they (the two houses - Judah/Israel) shall dwell in the land that I have given to Jacob my servant, in which your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell in it, they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David [shall be] their prince for ever

(f) Meaning that the elect by Christ will dwell in heaven by Jerusalem, which is meant by the land of Canaan.

Eze 38:16

38:16 And thou shalt come against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the {k} latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the nations may know me, when I {l} shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.

(k) Meaning in the last age, and from the coming of Christ to the end of the world.
(l) Signifying that God will be sanctified by maintaining his church, and destroying his enemies, as in Eze 36:23,37:28 .


Eze 39:9

39:9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall {e} go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the javelins, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:

(e) After this destruction the Church will have great peace and tranquillity and burn all their weapons because they will no more fear the enemies. This chiefly refers to the accomplishment of Christ's kingdom when by their head Christ all enemies will be overcome.

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The modern church today - because they want to be as far away as Israel as possible - don't see that Ezekiel 37 is referring to believers in the Risen Messiah. But the believers in the 15th century made that connection - as some people today are that are coming out of the lies and deception we've inherited.
 
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That hostility goes WAY back. And it's still evident:

But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the 'Old Testament,' but the veil is taken away by Messiah

But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart.

Nevertheless when one turns to YHVH, the veil is taken away. -- II Corinthians 3:14-16
 
Even to this day - many Christians that claim to believe in the Messiah - are hostile to his instructions. They'd rather cling to the ways of the world, instead of being sanctified by the Word of Truth.

Some of those instructions that were sage wisdom for the people of 4,000 years ago would today be cruel.

“The leprous person who has the disease shall wear torn clothes and let the hair of his head hang loose, and he shall cover his upper lip and cry out, ‘Unclean, unclean.’ - Leviticus 13:45

Are we wrong in our time for curing leprosy with a drug regimen and then sending the victims on their way?

Are wrong in simply treating the disease as an infection and not as evidence of sin as was believed 4,000 years ago?

Should this Law be enforced?
 
Some of those instructions that were sage wisdom for the people of 4,000 years ago would today be cruel.

“The leprous person who has the disease shall wear torn clothes and let the hair of his head hang loose, and he shall cover his upper lip and cry out, ‘Unclean, unclean.’ - Leviticus 13:45

Are we wrong in our time for curing leprosy with a drug regimen and then sending the victims on their way?

Are wrong in simply treating the disease as an infection and not as evidence of sin as was believed 4,000 years ago?

Should this Law be enforced?
"Leprosy" (aka "Hansen's Disease) is a horrible mis-translation. Check the literature, readily available, and virtually unanimously agreed:

there has NOT been a single case of what the Hebrew calls "tzaraat" for WELL over a thousand years.

I contend there is a good reason for that. And it has absolutely nothing to do with some pharmakeia for an 'infection.'

(This is a topic, and a common error, that I have addressed every Torah-cycle for a number of years. Verbotten to post here, sadly, so you'll have to find it if you want the longer explanation. There is MUCH more to it than you have been told.)
 
"Leprosy" (aka "Hansen's Disease) is a horrible mis-translation. Check the literature, readily available, and virtually unanimously agreed:

there has NOT been a single case of what the Hebrew calls "tzaraat" for WELL over a thousand years.

I contend there is a good reason for that. And it has absolutely nothing to do with some pharmakeia for an 'infection.'

(This is a topic, and a common error, that I have addressed every Torah-cycle for a number of years. Verbotten to post here, sadly, so you'll have to find it if you want the longer explanation. There is MUCH more to it than you have been told.)

Regardless, would you encounter a man with tzaraat and then expect him to wear torn clothes and let the hair of his head hang loose, and he shall cover his upper lip and cry out, ‘Unclean, unclean.’

Or would you direct him to get medical assistance?
 
Just a reminder, no standards have been relaxed here. We will not have certain debates.
In other words, if that "veil" is going to be lifted,
it's NOT gonna happen here.
Regardless, would you encounter a man with tzaraat and then expect him to wear torn clothes and let the hair of his head hang loose, and he shall cover his upper lip and cry out, ‘Unclean, unclean.’

Or would you direct him to get medical assistance?
The question is immaterial if you understand what tzaraat is. (Literally a non-sequitor.)

(And - given the BS that passes for SOME 'medical assistance' today, like the Zyklon-B injections, hospital wokeness, and Big Pharma madness - I wouldn't advise my worst enemy to go to some of 'em.)

If you really want to understand, at least do a little on-line research, or I will direct you privately to any of several MP3s I have done that will answer it in detail.
 
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