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I Wonder Why...

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When a woman has been treated badly by a man, he's left her for another woman, cheated on her, or been abusive etc, I've noticed a trend towards women then turning towards other women. They would identify as bisexual, but prefer women. I somewhat understand this, since they've been driven towards this position by some pretty serious hurts.

But when a man is hurt by a woman, she cheats on him or leaves him etc, then he doesn't go running off to other men. Instead, if he has an extreme reaction it tends to be towards just sleeping with women and not wanting commitment at all.

Basically their reactions are the complete opposite. I wonder why that is. Anyone have any ideas?
 
Man-hating culture constantly driving home the message that men are the problem?...
 
I feel like women also need a female friend. Men don’t have to have a friend. They don’t have that guy that they “just have to call” when they are having a bad day. Men don’t need that. I just feel women go extream the other way because of the worldly mindset of “all men are evil disgusting pigs” so they give up finding a “good one” and just cling to that girlfriend that listens and understands and is always there for them. (Cause that’s what us women are good at. Men have to work hard at that.)

That’s why polygamy works. The man has his multiple women to lift him up, raise his family and grow with him and the women have him to love and support them spiritually, emotionally, and physically and they have their girl friends to lean on.
 
Man-hating culture constantly driving home the message that men are the problem?...
More than anything, I would think that that culture is what sets women up for “All me are evil throw rocks at them, I must turn to other women to get my needs met”.

Men are more “That relationship sucked, but I still feel the need to hunt and conquer so I will just do it on playing fields that are less emotionally charged. (not getting married or seeing just one) Then I will have a drink with the boys and we will laugh about it.”

But then, that’s maybe what you meant, Andrew.
 
But when a man is hurt by a woman, she cheats on him or leaves him etc, then he doesn't go running off to other men.

Ok well my first thought is "Well, of course not. That's gay."

On second thought, women are normally way more sympathetic then men. Even gay men are not terribly empathetic. If someone is hurt and wants a nurturer, going to a man for genuine sympathy is not intuitive. If a woman breaks my heart, that means in part that her nurturing qualities have dried up towards me. I wouldn't think to go to a man, because I know how men are, being one myself.

I can see a woman not knowing what to do and accidentallying herself into a relationship with another woman looking for the intimacy that a man has a hard time expressing. But for a man to go running into the arms of some dude because, you know, women are evil. That is just the gayest.
 
I was wondering if it was that a woman needed a female friend to confide in and it just sort of turned into more.
Certainly society has a role to play in it, probably a pretty major one.
That’s why polygamy works. The man has his multiple women to lift him up, raise his family and grow with him and the women have him to love and support them spiritually, emotionally, and physically and they have their girl friends to lean on.
The different reactions of men and women to the same issue certainly make me think that polygyny fits.
Ok well my first thought is "Well, of course not. That's gay."
That was my first thought too. But why was it my first thought? Why does it seem totally ridiculous and, well, gross, that a guy would do that, but not a woman?
I don't really know where I'm going with all this, and my post may not be very intelligible, it's evening here, I'm unwell, and my 10 month old is sick too which means there's little sleep going on. I shall think on it a little more and then return.
 
Women pattern their interaction with all men, and also God, based on their relationship experience with father and then husband/boyfriend. So if they get burned too hard they tend to paint all men (and God) with that broad brush. It's not so much they turn to women as they've turned away from men.

Men on the other hand are more emotionally resilient (esp. as adults) and more able to compartmentalize. Women's sexuality is also a lot more fluid than man's.
 
They want the emotional stimulation that other women are very good at. Very few of them stick with it.
I’m curious, is there a difference between how males vs females experiment and either stick with it or wander back to the opposite gender?
Are there studies showing that a higher percentage of women drop out of the lifestyle?
This is an interesting concept to me.
 
I’m curious, is there a difference between how males vs females experiment and either stick with it or wander back to the opposite gender?
Are there studies showing that a higher percentage of women drop out of the lifestyle?
This is an interesting concept to me.

I have only seen anecdotal evidence. I agree that a scholarly look at how men and women experience homosexuality differently would be very interesting. I think it would confirm a lot of our core beliefs.
 
I'm unwell, and my 10 month old is sick too which means there's little sleep going on. I shall think on it a little more and then return
I hope you are both feeling better today.
 
There is a fairly famous sex study that showed sexy pictures to men and women (men or women exercising, couples of various orientations having sex, and lastly a monkeys having sex). They then had the subjects report what turned them on (and how much), which was compared to what instrumentation reported they were actually aroused by.

Men's reports of arousal were consistent with the instrumentation and their reported sexual orientation but were most turned on by woman-woman action (i.e. the women of your harem are in heat, time to do your job). Women reported arousal consistent with their reported sexual orientation but the instrumentation showed they were actually aroused by sex of any and all kinds, even monkeys. The men did not find monkey sex appealing.

That particular study is talked about here and others have corroborated the findings. That's the science, now the speculation...

So if a woman is damaged and no longer interested in men the attraction to women remains and may even grow stronger via feedback conditioning. Anecdotal reports in both men and women are that sexual fetishes are highly malleable. It's also been widely noticed that women are much more sexually active/enticing around ovulation. Nor are we the only species which engages in female-female sexual activity when one of the two is in heat. As to the humorous little bit about the monkey sex, ignoring the obvious evolutionary explanation, I'll point out that sex hormones are bio-identical among all species. Ducks have been known to try to breed chickens. And both male and female cows have been reported to attempt to mount human women who are ovulating.

Another thing to think about is the biological imperative. A man who fails with one women will not pass on his genes by turning to men; but he may try a different mating strategy with the next woman. But a woman who failed the first time, by hitching herself to another women makes herself a more appealing target for the next male to happen by (volume & variety). Engaging in sex only ups the attraction (that heightened arousal to female female action). Female fertility is fleeting, time is of the essence. None of this is at the conscious level, but the subconscious or hormonal level.

There is also the Coolidge Effect, wherein a new female showing up causes an increase of arousal and sperm production in the male. This lends to speculation that by forming a harem, the female participants are more likely to conceive if there is multiple females and they all participate. They'd also be more able to hold his sexual interest (meaning he's less likely to wonder in search of more who would further split his resources; i.e. 1/3 of a man is better than 1/10). There is also documentation of increased sexual interest by females in new males who show up. Given the non-specificity of female arousal, I suspect this equally applies to a female showing up; further accentuating the above factors.
 
Some random thoughts...

Our culture tells us that men are the sexually deviant, addicts, etc. But historically, women were the unruly fiends. The study Rockfox cites definitely proves the latter.

If you think about it, bisexuality in both genders is completely different. I'm not even sure there is such a thing as a bisexual male. I was friends with a guy that claimed he was bi. He may have just been trying to hang on to the closet door handle a tad bit longer on his way out.

It alllllllll goes back to the metaphor. :p (There can only be 1 God.)

You know the line that gets me the most in "Come Thou Fount of Every Blessing?"
"Prone to wander, Lord, I feel it / Prone to leave the God I love."
 
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The biggest factor with damaging males seems to be pedastry. It's very much an on/off identity sort of thing and very hard (but not impossible) to reverse.

On the female side however, it seems that lesbianism is more fleeting more likely to be bisexuality: with f-f relationships often occurring when recovering from a bad relationship with a man or at the end of the line when they've resigned themselves to admitting they won't find a guy. It seems only a permanent change away from men among those who embrace the darkness of the bitterness. But aside from bitterness, the biggest thing damaging women isn't the bad experiences, but the volume of them (good or bad). It damages their ability to pair bond.

Our culture tells us that men are the sexually deviant, addicts, etc. But historically, women were the unruly fiends.

There is abundant scripture to back this up. But that is not to say men are angel's and women devils; that's to fall into the same trap as the feminists. It is just we live in a culture that attempts to portray women as saints and men/masculinity as irredeemable. For example, both women and men pursue porn; but we only pillory the men while coming up with other innocuous sounding names for the female kind due to it's less visual nature.
 
They were bonobos. Please tell us whether they are cute or ugly, in your opinion. This one is posing for you.
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If you search youtube for "bonobo mating" you'll find enough ape-porn to keep you busy for days, if that spins your wheels. Personally, I'm not a fan.
 
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