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Is it self-defeating to donate money to MOP?

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Is it self-defeating to donate money to MOP (Monogamy Only Position) Church organizations who will do marvelous work to help the poor meanwhile brainwashing people in third world countries that polygyny is wrong and no more a good way to help the poor then donating it to Mormon organizations that help the poor?

Would it be wonderful if their was a polygyny doctrine sharing organization that helped the poor in third world countries?
 
I wonder if Luther and his fellow reformers kept donating money to the RCC?

Every church that I have had any experience with is MOP. I've started supporting parachurch ministries instead. I am giving what might be called a bare minimum to the MOP church where I am allowed to attend, but they will not allow me to hold any position of leadership because of my belief in Biblical Family Values (BFV) instead of traditional family values (TFV-MOP.) TFV-MOP is really pagan Greco-Roman-Catholic tradition being taught as if it were Biblical truth.
 
Matthew 12:30 Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters.

Did one of the Disciples, one of the Apostles, or Jesus Himself ever indicate that it is sinful for a man to have more than one wife? Did God give Saul's wives to David? Did God say that Joash did what was right in His eyes and had two wives?

Why the church is teaching something contrary to what the scriptures show to be the truth would seem to be going against Christ. They are obviously against us and the truths we try to expose them to.
 
As I remember, Jesus' disciples came to Him all hot and bothered because some other dude, not of their group, was healing, and casting out devils in Jesus' name. Jesus said, Let him alone. He's for me, not against me. Paul said something similar about those who preach Christ whether with right or wrong motives.

Remembering further, Jesus told the disciples that there were more things He'd like to tell them, but they weren't ready to deal with them. Paul implies that some of those were later given to him by divine revelation. Yet these men had been face-to-face with Jesus for what? 3.5 years? And they STILL weren't perfect?

As best as I can figure out, the job of us Christians is to go make men into disciples of Jesus. A wider definition would be to join in Jesus' mission: To destroy all the works of the devil. This whole issue of PM is a side issue. Volatile, controversial, interesting, important even -- but a side issue nonetheless.

Therefore, if I find an organization dedicated to that goal: destroying the works of the devil and making disciples, it seems appropriate to support them in their work, even if they haven't been Perfected and Readied for Immediate Translation through a Biblical understanding of Family Theory and Governance, as have I.

(In fact, I've taken to wearing handles attached to the four corners of my garment, instead of tassles (tzit tzit), so that when it occurs, whoever is close at the moment can grab hold and ride along. Humble Christian compassion, ya know! Yup, yup.)

Anyway, that's the way it appears to Sir BumbleBerry and I.
 
I support a responsible usage of one's resources. Because of the doctrinal incorrect issues in denominations I do not feel responsible if I just give them money. I would rather see a need and help as led. I also think just giving money to a denomination causes a lost blessing. We are usually accountable for what happens to money after we give it or should expect accountability. But denominations are self-serving and will help their organization first and the needy second or somewhere else on the priority pole. Since I am aware of this, why would God bless me for throwing good money after a brick and mortar idol.
 
Agreed Weltan. There are many ways to tithe.

Ezekiel 16:49 Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy.

There are many worthwhile organizations that can be supported that may not even be religious in nature yet doing God's work. Throwing money at a broken system hasn't worked for our government or the church.
 
Agreed.

Wasn't meaning to advocate "Tithe and Forget" to denominations. Though there seems nothing inappropriate about helping the place where you worship, if you do, keep their lights on.

Only that I didn't see a need to require that an effective organization, such as jglm.org, or biblicalfamilies.org, agree with ME on every point of important theology to be worthy of financial support.

Of late, I am more and more impressed with the utter SIMPLICITY of the Gospel, and just how LITTLE time or effort Jesus wasted on theological debate in comparison to the executing of His own simple mandate to the disciples of "Preach the good news, heal the sick, cleanse the lepers (implication to their culture "forgive sins"?), raise the dead, cast out demons."

Makes more and more sense to me.
 
CecilW wrote:
This whole issue of PM is a side issue. Volatile, controversial, interesting, important even -- but a side issue nonetheless.
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Try telling that to the orphans and widows. (James 1:27) Those orphans are being raised in an environment that is totally unscriptural. (Ephesians 6:4)

How many kids are on the way to hell because they don't have a father to train them in the nurture and admonition of the Lord? Kids whose mothers take them to church. Kids whose mothers love the Lord. But kids who commit suicide, kids who get hooked on drugs and alcohol, kids who hang out with gangs, because they are kids who are being raised by single moms. (Or they have a father who doesn't care, but that's a different issue.)

They are kids whose mothers can not find a Godly man to be hers, and to be a father to her kids, because all the good men already have a woman. After all, polygyny is a "sin." Just ask the pastor.

Oh, but those kids hear the Gospel every Sunday, because Mom loves the Lord and takes them to church.

Excuse me for pointing this out, but the Bible says "Fathers...train them in the nurture and admonition of the Lord," not "Mothers..." or "Pastors..." or "Sunday-school teachers..." Mothers, Pastors, and Sunday-school teachers are needed, but it is the father's responsibility. Those kids just don't have a father to take that responsibility. The side issue of polygyny is not important enough to discuss. Why, you might get the left foot for even asking the question! I know; it happened to me, and it has happened to many of you, as well.

(May God richly bless those single moms who are struggling to raise their kids to love the Lord. They are attempting to do something that God did not intend for them to do, but to try to do otherwise would be to get the left foot of fellowship for "sinning.")

A side issue? Not a salvation issue? Maybe yes, in the sense that one can be born again and make it to Heaven without ever believing Biblical Truth about Biblical Covenant Unions. But it is a life-and-death issue to all those orphans in our churches when the adults in their lives still cling to TFV-MOP and reject Biblical Truth about Biblical Family Values.

Not to mention the orphans in the world...but let's start closer to home.
 
CecilW wrote:
Wasn't meaning to advocate "Tithe and Forget" to denominations. Though there seems nothing inappropriate about helping the place where you worship, if you do, keep their lights on.
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I agree with that one, brother. I am part of a church that won't let me have any position of leadership because of my belief in Biblical Family Values, but I do get fed good, solid, Bible-based sermons and Bible-study lessons most of the time (as long as the topic is not TFV-MOP!), and so at least part of my tithes and offerings go to help keep the lights on.

But I have shifted a major portion of my tithes and offerings to para-church ministries. And if I ever find a church that teaches both the Truth that is foundational to Christianity and the Truth about Family Values, I will switch membership (and my tithes and offerings!) in less than a heartbeat.

Or if I could find several like-minded Bible-believing patriarchs in close enough proximity, I might think about starting a church...and we should be careful not to make patriarchy/polygyny the focus of our doctrine, of course. Christ and Him Crucified is our primary message.
 
PolyDoc said:
A side issue? Not a salvation issue? Maybe yes, in the sense that one can be born again and make it to Heaven without ever believing Biblical Truth about Biblical Covenant Unions.
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Precisely what I meant when calling it "a side issue".

But it is a life-and-death issue to all those orphans in our churches when the adults in their lives still cling to TFV-MOP and reject Biblical Truth about Biblical Family Values.
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And the precise reason why I not only called it important, but took in and fostered (both in and out of the legal system) lots of kids, and sometimes their moms and even dads long before PM reared its controversial head.

And the fact that I couldn't KEEP the single moms, was one of the main reasons I started to consider PM seriously way back when. I concluded that they came to sense that the relationship wasn't whole, and therefore not entirely healthy, and went looking for the missing piece -- husband stuff -- at which point we lost 'em.

Still -- the definition of The Mission would seem to be "to destroy all the works of the devil", wherever found. Granting readily that husbandlessness and fatherlessness definitely qualify.
 
Cecil, my hat is off to you. (Proverbially, since I don't habitually wear a hat. :lol: )

What this world needs is more born-again believers who are willing to live what they preach, just as you are doing.

Glad that our apparent disagreement boiled down to mere semantics, not something of substance!
And the fact that I couldn't KEEP the single moms, was one of the main reasons I started to consider PM seriously way back when. I concluded that they came to sense that the relationship wasn't whole, and therefore not entirely healthy, and went looking for the missing piece -- husband stuff -- at which point we lost 'em.
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And that old horned, split-hoofed enemy went away laughing up his sulfurous sleeve. Another bunch of kids lost to TFV-MOP.
 
PolyDoc said:
I wonder if Luther and his fellow reformers kept donating money to the RCC?

Every church that I have had any experience with is MOP. I've started supporting parachurch ministries instead. I am giving what might be called a bare minimum to the MOP church where I am allowed to attend, but they will not allow me to hold any position of leadership because of my belief in Biblical Family Values (BFV) instead of traditional family values (TFV-MOP.) TFV-MOP is really pagan Greco-Roman-Catholic tradition being taught as if it were Biblical truth.
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A bare minimum is zero. If they make you pay to attend, attend somewhere else :D

I am not saying you should not give anything just that you should not give anything to Churches that make you pay to attend.
 
What churches force you to pay to attend? I haven't yet been to one, and am unaware of any.
 
dtt wrote:
A bare minimum is zero. If they make you pay to attend, attend somewhere else :D
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Technically, you are right.

But to me, a bare minimum is what I think to be the value of the spiritual food that is being served up. Even when the leaders are espousing TFV-MOP, they still preach and teach the fundamentals of the Christian faith, such as why a person needs to be born again and the provision God has made for that.

So to me, the practical (not technical!) "bare minimum" is a greater-than-zero portion of the tithes and offerings that God lays on my heart to give, but far less that 100% of that.

Even if I could find a church that teaches/preaches exactly what I believe in every area (not likely,) I would still give less than 100% of my tithes and offerings to that church. (Don't put all your eggs in one basket!)

And I am looking for a different church, but it is unlikely that I can find an otherwise-Bible-believing church that teaches BFV.
 
And I am looking for a different church, but it is unlikely that I can find an otherwise-Bible-believing church that teaches BFV.
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That' like trying to find a needle in a haystack!
 
"And I am looking for a different church, but it is unlikely that I can find an otherwise-Bible-believing church that teaches BFV."

I believe that eventually a church organization will arise from this organization as part of the ministry.
 
scarecrow wrote:
I believe that eventually a church organization will eventually arise from this organization as part of the ministry.
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I think you might be right.

And more and more, I think the sooner, the better. But I don't know anyone who believes as we (Biblical Families) do and who lives in close enough proximity to where I live to form even a small home group...which I'd be willing to lead, if we can do it.

Anyone feel called of the Lord to move to Gallup? :D
 
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