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Long arm of the law?

Mojo

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Help me out here. I'm trying to figure out where the outrage is. This is a nuclear family, living off the land, so to speak, and leaving others alone. Neighbors say the kids seem normal, and friendly. No electricity? No running water? No sewage? Heavens! Next thing you know, they will be charged for not providing a smart phone.:mad::eek: Thoughts?

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/parents-a...nside-box-014703381--abc-news-topstories.html
 
It is profitable to take the children, thats why. The federal government gives payouts for every child taken and even more for adoptions. They go after parents like this because they are easy marks. No money for lawyers. Easy to concoct emotional justifications. For a lot of people if the kids isn't living in sterile suburban conditions it is abusive. But what they really needed was a helping hand.

How do you help a homeless person? Was the problem a lack of jail cell or a lack of a house? This is how twisted the justice system is. At least some states legally protect parents who are economically unable to provide shelter such as this case, but the authorities routinely kidnap their children anyway.

Notice, the family was known to friends and neighbors. People who were going to bat for them in court and to reporters. And there are no scary stories about the children being actually abused or maladjusted. If they could construe things in anyway to claim that they would. Which means they were probably good parents, just down on their luck.
 
On a related note, I just heard today that the UK is having issues with extremist Muslim immigrant homeschoolers, leading the head of the Scotland Yard to float the idea of allowing the government to remove children from anyone deemed "extremist". This is troubling to say the least.

The following video is from a political commentator on YouTube that I quite enjoy watching. While he is atheistic and slightly left-of-center, and I certainly don't agree with him on everything, he is also usually fairly reasonable, and is strongly against progressives and socialists on principle and in practice. In many ways, he is actually closer to libertarian than to socialist.

If I've linked this right (apparently I didnt), the video should start at 12:57, just before the story on Islamic homescooling in the UK. The info on Scotland Yard comes in around 18:30.


(It should go without saying that I disagree with his stance on all schooling being secular, but at least he recognizes the tyranny of the government being given the power to remove children from their homes.)
 
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I saw another report that said the kids (11-14 yrs. old) built the dwellings as a sort of "fort" away from mom and dad's R.V. Neighbors said the kids were proud of their own engineering. Reporters said the kids were living in "boxes". I think this case was an opportunity for law enforcement and media to sensationalize and capitalize on that other California couple that chained their kids up, but nobody did anything.
 
Who got a better education, the public schooled child who graduates a functional illiterate that can't feed, clothe or shelter himself or the wide ranging child who build their own dwelling with their own two hands? Is it a 'box' or teaching ingenuity, resourcefulness and contentedness?

As to the UK, they won't use that against Muslims, just Christians. Classic problem-reaction-solution game playing. After they looked the other way on the Rotherham grooming gangs problem we know who they really care about when it comes to children vs. Muslims.
 
Who got a better education, the public schooled child who graduates a functional illiterate that can't feed, clothe or shelter himself or the wide ranging child who build their own dwelling with their own two hands? Is it a 'box' or teaching ingenuity, resourcefulness and contentedness?
The following is pointed advice for those interested. I gleaned it from an attorney with years of experience defending families against abuses by the child-welfare system.

Child-protection agencies get away with targeting people who exhibit 3 characteristics:
  1. They're poor.
  2. They don't know their rights.
  3. They don't have connections.
Things to remember if you are targeted: If you allow the workers to get you focused on arguing that your approach to child-rearing is good and/or that you did nothing wrong, then their job is practically done for them and shortly your parental rights will be terminated.
  • Say nothing. Be polite but decline to speak. Do not allow workers inside unless they are accompanied by an officer with a warrant. Everything you say can and will be used against you.
  • Get a lawyer. The alternative is to lose your children so this is no time to be cheap.
  • Sign nothing. Workers often present "routine" paperwork — but there's nothing routine about this. Parents unknowingly sign away all their parental rights every day. You can always insist that your lawyer review papers first no matter what the workers say.
  • Remember that the guardian ad litem (if appointed) is trained to get your trust and then testify against you.
To avoid being targeted, you should make connections in your community, know your rights, and avoid looking poor or crazy.

If you think arguing that your home is fine will get you anywhere with these agencies, you don't know what you're up against. In most states, constitutional protections you'd expect (right to public trial, to face your accuser, etc) do not exist because removal of children is not a criminal matter — those protections are only for people accused of actual crimes.

Meanwhile the real reason families are unjustly targeted is that agencies don't get funding unless they take away children — we're talking tens of thousands per child, more if they have special needs — and because the public has such a dim view of people at the bottom. The system is tuned to proceed to termination of rights without the victims catching onto how it works. Can you see then why pleading for mercy or arguing that you "did nothing wrong" has zero relevance to what's actually happening?

If, God forbid, you become a target, your goal is not to defend homeschooling or your housekeeping practices or anything else, because you can't homeschool or bathe your children if you don't have them. Your goal is to get your children back and get off the radar of the protection agency.
 
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Good advice. Sobering, but true.
 
Rabbit trail here, but it ts my post, so who cares.

What @mystic describes is similar to how the eugenics proponents back in the day operated. The poor and unconnected were targets of disdain. They sterilized, and eventually promoted abortion along these lines.
 
A close family member worked in this system as one of the good guys and she was so disheartened that she frequently was fighting depression.

It is a corrupt and increasingly evil system where basically normal kids are frequently subjected to real abuse and turned into truly broken people.

The silver lining is that there are so many families caught up in the system now that it is approaching overload and it can be easier now to stay off of the radar IF you don't get into custody fights.

I don't doubt though that they're coming for all home schoolers.
 
All good advice. Be wise as serpents. A large family can easily be worth a million dollars to their and their friend's budgets.

They will use anything and everything they can against you and social workers routinely lie to the courts. And once you are on their radar you're likely to be targeted again even if you escape the first time.

Number 1 rule: keep your kids out of their hands at all costs. The moment they seize them they gain all the leverage and you're much less likely to get them back.
 
Number 1 rule: keep your kids out of their hands at all costs. The moment they seize them they gain all the leverage and you're much less likely to get them back.
My sobering thought for the day: The one world beast system is coming, so here's a hypothetical situation. Imagine they end up taking your child(ren), and will only return them if you get on board, and take the mark.

May God grant the faith in that day to not withhold even one's only son in pursuit of Him.
 
My sobering thought for the day: The one world beast system is coming, so here's a hypothetical situation. Imagine they end up taking your child(ren), and will only return them if you get on board, and take the mark.

May God grant the faith in that day to not withhold even one's only son in pursuit of Him.
Whoa. Way too sobering.
 
It's like a mix of eugenics and technocrats, where the experts are supposed to give the advice. That makes it seem more reasonable to the sheep. I am just glad we are so free, they keep telling us so.
 
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