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Sex vs Sex Acts

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What I am trying to discern is if there is a difference between sex and sex acts by defining some keyterms and their relation to the status of a woman. Realizing these are translated and may have the same origin, the meaning derived from each can vary depending on the situation. I would like to also include some scenarios to better understand where one may stop and another starts, when I have more time. I will also add to this list as I remember more terms.

Those terms being,

Wife
Concubine
Servant
Betrothed
Harlot/Whore
Whore Monger
Prostitute

To Know
To Go Into
To Lie With
To Uncover
One Flesh
Maiden/Virgin
Conjugal Rights
The Marriage Bed
 
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So this is my personal opinion these terms and I will give scripture as well:
Genesis 2:24 says that a man will leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife and they shall be one flesh. I firmly believe one flesh is physical union because we have it stated again in Ephesians 5:31-33. A man leaves his father and mothers home and is joined to his wife. A one flesh union is a sexual union. I can't be one flesh with my husband if we have not had sexual relations.
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 is very clear on laying with a woman. If a man finds a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.- This clearly to me tells us that he slept with an available virgin and she was then committed to him as his wife.
These are the ones I can cover for now and I am going to take a deeper look for me.
 
@BiblicalLiteralist, you are looking for specific definitions for matters on which the Bible is deliberately vague. The fact that scripture does not outline a precise line between what is and is not sex is actually the answer God is giving to your question, though it's not the answer you think you're looking for.

If we were given a precise line, then people would think they could go right up to that line and as long as they didn't quite step over it they aren't truly having sex, so let's get our clothes off and go right up to that line... (well that sounded a workable plan but we can't actually stop there, we're on a roll, here we go...).

The fact that the line is vague means that we have to use common sense to stop long before we MIGHT be reaching the line, whatever it is. That forces us all to maintain reasonable boundaries that are actually practical.
 
@BiblicalLiteralist, you are looking for specific definitions for matters on which the Bible is deliberately vague. The fact that scripture does not outline a precise line between what is and is not sex is actually the answer God is giving to your question, though it's not the answer you think you're looking for.

If we were given a precise line, then people would think they could go right up to that line and as long as they didn't quite step over it they aren't truly having sex, so let's get our clothes off and go right up to that line... (well that sounded a workable plan but we can't actually stop there, we're on a roll, here we go...).

The fact that the line is vague means that we have to use common sense to stop long before we MIGHT be reaching the line, whatever it is. That forces us all to maintain reasonable boundaries that are actually practical.
This so reminds me of Mormon custom of soaking.
 
"Soaking" is the LDS version of, "Baby, I'll pull it out! I promise!"

In short, it's how Mormons make babies.
 
What is that? I know I could do a google search but if you want to provide insight, then go ahead.
It's when you do sex, but nobody moves. Since nobody moves, Lord doesn't count it as sex (that's what they believe). Horewer, without movement there is no pleasure, so third person must shake bed to generate friction to provide pleasure.
 
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It's when you do sex, but nobody moves. Since nobody moves, Lord doesn't count is as sex (that's what they believe). Horewer, without movement there is no pleasure, so third person must shake bed to generate friction to provide pleasure.
So, Mormons have 3sums and that's ok because nobody moves (except the person shaking the bed to generate friction!). Oooohhhhkay... . ;)
 
@BiblicalLiteralist, you are looking for specific definitions for matters on which the Bible is deliberately vague. The fact that scripture does not outline a precise line between what is and is not sex is actually the answer God is giving to your question, though it's not the answer you think you're looking for.

If we were given a precise line, then people would think they could go right up to that line and as long as they didn't quite step over it they aren't truly having sex, so let's get our clothes off and go right up to that line... (well that sounded a workable plan but we can't actually stop there, we're on a roll, here we go...).

The fact that the line is vague means that we have to use common sense to stop long before we MIGHT be reaching the line, whatever it is. That forces us all to maintain reasonable boundaries that are actually practical.
The translators came up with the terms they did somehow, what I want to know is if there is a variance. The same term could have been used each time yet it wasn't.
 
Sex = Intercourse
Sex acts =/= Intercourse

Sex = difference between male and female
Sex acts = a wife charging one as naked as a frog with her eyes alight with fervor
 
The translators came up with the terms they did somehow, what I want to know is if there is a variance. The same term could have been used each time yet it wasn't.
Look at the Hebrew & Greek behind the words, rather than getting caught up on the terms used by translators. If you focus on the latter, your interpretations will differ depending on what translation you use and the assumptions of those translators. What matters is the choice of words by the original author.

Having said that, these euphemisms are largely in the original text, and you'll see them more accurately if you focus on that. This will actually serve your intent better.
 
Ok, so let me give hypotheticals.

I have a daughter who is convinced by a boy to send nudes or sext. Has he known her now? Is he to marry her? Are they one flesh? Is she still a virgin? Am I to stone her at my steps for playing the harlot?

We see the mentioning of a proof of virginity being a cloth from the wedding night. If my son finds out that the girl he married secretly was an OF model, never having been with a man but seen by many, have they known her? Is she still a virgin as long as the cloth is able to serve as proof?

These acts carry no direct consequences of children, no seed was exchanged, is the woman still the harlot? or a prostitute? Never having received any seed from a man has she been defiled?

If two parents are married, have a child and get divorced, the woman goes off and gets pregnant by another man but does not marry him. Can the first husband take her back? Or is she defiled? She never married the man, maybe she became a prostitute maybe she was used, but she was never betrothed to the man? Or what if she was betrothed and he called it off, is she divorced?

Everything I can find revolves around the exchange of seed or its potential to have happened. HOWEVER there are other mentions of more strict sexual things such as uncovering the nakedness of a sibling or relative.

Look at the Hebrew & Greek behind the words, rather than getting caught up on the terms used by translators. If you focus on the latter, your interpretations will differ depending on what translation you use and the assumptions of those translators. What matters is the choice of words by the original author.

Having said that, these euphemisms are largely in the original text, and you'll see them more accurately if you focus on that. This will actually serve your intent better.

This is what I am getting at, in Leviticus 20 alone there are 4 different words used for "to lie", with different words used for "to take", "to uncover nakedness", "copulate" is used in some but not others all are often used together in the same sentence to help clarify the scenario of what is going on. Most of which carry a death sentence, but all of which are intentional acts, and all which are made towards specifically named entities. You want to lump these things all together as a catch all but I think it is important to actually know the boundaries because they are stated. They aren't written as a catch all, are we to assume all mean sexual intercourse, when it would seem some mean less than that and others may mean more.

Look at the word used to translate "to take" in Leviticus 20:14 and 17. It implies an act being intentionally committed by the man, using forceful removal, not necessarily a seduction or an agreement between both parties. However notice that the woman also suffers the consequences of his actions. The result is obviously adultery on his part, however based on the word used to translate "to take" it is not implied the woman was cooperative. The wording does not consider the status of the woman's virginity either, like Deut 22:23-29 does, for what could be a similar situation, but we do see a similarity of punishment for the woman in the city vs the woman in the country.

The word used "to take" and "to lie" are the same words used when Yah told David he was going "to take" David's "wives". Which is precisely what Absalom does 4 chapters later. With David's 10 "concubines", who are then put away as widows (because they are defiled?). We are not told of a get being given or a divorce happening, yet they are treated as defiled after Absolom "Went in unto them" (another word).
 
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I have a daughter who is convinced by a boy to send nudes or sext. Has he known her now? Is he to marry her? Are they one flesh? Is she still a virgin? Am I to stone her at my steps for playing the harlot?

We see the mentioning of a proof of virginity being a cloth from the wedding night. If my son finds out that the girl he married secretly was an OF model, never having been with a man but seen by many, have they known her? Is she still a virgin as long as the cloth is able to serve as proof?

These acts carry no direct consequences of children, no seed was exchanged, is the woman still the harlot? or a prostitute? Never having received any seed from a man has she been defiled?
No. Never had sex, still a virgin. Of course, not necessarily the sort of virgin that would actually make a good wife unless she's completely changed her mindset. But still a virgin.

Yet at the same time - don't do any of that.
If two parents are married, have a child and get divorced, the woman goes off and gets pregnant by another man but does not marry him. Can the first husband take her back? Or is she defiled? She never married the man, maybe she became a prostitute maybe she was used, but she was never betrothed to the man? Or what if she was betrothed and he called it off, is she divorced?
Could have a long discussion on that one as arguments can be made both ways. So the short answer is that it is down to her husband to prayerfully determine what is the right approach in that situation, taking into account love and forgiveness. He might have such a long complex discussion in the process of determining his answer, but I don't think we need to have it over a hypothetical. The hypothetical will be far less informative than the real.
This is what I am getting at, in Leviticus 20 alone there are 4 different words used for "to lie", with different words used for "to take", "to uncover nakedness", "copulate" is used in some but not others all are often used together in the same sentence to help clarify the scenario of what is going on. Most of which carry a death sentence, but all of which are intentional acts, and all which are made towards specifically named entities. You want to lump these things all together as a catch all but I think it is important to actually know the boundaries because they are stated. They aren't written as a catch all, are we to assume all mean sexual intercourse, when it would seem some mean less than that and others may mean more.

Look at the word used to translate "to take" in Leviticus 20:14 and 17. It implies an act being intentionally committed by the man, using forceful removal, not necessarily a seduction or an agreement between both parties. However notice that the woman also suffers the consequences of his actions. The result is obviously adultery on his part, however based on the word used to translate "to take" it is not implied the woman was cooperative. The wording does not consider the status of the woman's virginity either, like Deut 22:23-29 does, for what could be a similar situation, but we do see a similarity of punishment for the woman in the city vs the woman in the country.

The word used "to take" and "to lie" are the same words used when Yah told David he was going "to take" David's "wives". Which is precisely what Absalom does 4 chapters later. With David's 10 "concubines", who are then put away as widows (because they are defiled?). We are not told of a get being given or a divorce happening, yet they are treated as defiled after Absolom "Went in unto them" (another word).
If you have a real situation in mind that you need an actual answer on, we'll quickly find a lot more clarity. If you don't have a real situation in mind, this discussion will go round and round for 100 pages and nobody will be the wiser at the end. It's just how these things go.
 
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