Shooting in New Zealand

[FollowingHim]

It could well be that the entire manifesto is intended to link him to every possible group, so that the widest possible range of groups can be restricted as a result. So it's entirely fabricated to deliberately facilitate the subsequent oppression.

More info on the man who scared him away from Linwood. They've now got the timeline aligning roughly right for a single shooter.

Very interestingly though, almost everybody describes the shooter as wearing black clothes and a black motorcycle helmet (although a few people say camo clothes, almost everyone says black). Shots of him sitting in his car, on his own video, show him wearing a black coat and black trousers, and his arms holding the guns are clearly in black sleeves. The above article says he was in black.

But, this is supposedly Brenton Tarrant being arrested:

Those aren't black clothes, they're camo. It's not a black helmet either. I can imagine someone wearing a black coat earlier on and then taking it off later, so the inconsistency in the top is reasonable. But you wouldn't change your trousers or helmet in the middle of a mass shooting. Also, this guy looks like he might even have a beard, while Tarrant is clean shaven in all photos. His face looks rounder than Tarrant's also, though that could be an optical illusion from the angle & helmet.

 

[rockfox]

Sounds very similar to how the Crusades began. Why people leave that out of discussions about the Crusades is beyond me.

 

[FollowingHim]

And people are already panic buying semi-automatic rifles, in anticipation of them being made illegal. Obviously nobody buying them this weekend will be planning to hand them in whenever that happens, because they'd be throwing away their money.

 

[Joleneakamama]

never mind they started this with their many terrorist attacks on us

Ever try to get to the bottom of a whodunit with children? In the case of the world stage there are a squilion things to factor in. Who started it imho is hard to prove as with powers manipulating economies and pulling strings behind the scenes you might easily miss a crucial detail. There is a verse and explanation that can be considered though. "Shall there be evil in a city and YHWH hath not done it? Amos 3:6
When people are not living right they are vulnerable, like sheep to predation. The doctrines of the holy wood that practices the doctrine of Baalam on the people incite them to sin. Then they reap the judgement. Who started it? Does it matter? Turning back to God is always a good idea, and presenting His solution to the ills of society is probably the best thing to suggest.
There are Christians that speak against what God has spoken. I have told people face to face that the world needs to go back to God's law....and been told "That will never happen!" My answer was "Oh yes it will! "The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdom of our God and if His Christ." Cheer up! Look up! The King is coming!

 

[Pacman]

There are Christians that speak against what God has spoken. I have told people face to face that the world needs to go back to God's law....and been told "That will never happen!" My answer was "Oh yes it will! "The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdom of our God and if His Christ." Cheer up! Look up! The King is coming!

Revelation 22:20
[20] He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

 

[The Revolting Man]

So weird boy was bouncing around in Turkey too.

 

[FollowingHim]

In his manifesto he states clearly that the Turks are welcome to live in their country in peace - but he wishes them to be driven east of the Bosphorus, and for Constantinople to return to the Christians. He's not against the Turks in Turkey, or any Muslims in their own country - he just doesn't want them over here. It's an interesting position and helps to explain why he'd be happy to visit so many places. In fact his visits to these places may have shown him the value of their culture and changed his position from being fundamentally anti-Muslim to seeing value in their culture but wanting it to remain where it "belongs", in his opinion.

 

[steve]

It could well be that the entire manifesto is intended to link him to every possible group, so that the widest possible range of groups can be restricted as a result. So it's entirely fabricated to deliberately facilitate the subsequent oppression.

Some analysts claim to see a lot of parallels between what was written in the manifesto and what is supposedly written by ISSIS. Suggesting the possibility of the same handlers.
So I don’t put too much stock in trying to understand him through the manifesto.

 

[FollowingHim]

I agree. The manifesto is what we're supposed to believe.

 

[FollowingHim]

The timeline is becoming clearer now. Witnesses say he arrived at 1:40. Police are saying:
- First phone call at 1:41pm
- Armed regular police on site 1:47
- Armed Offenders Squad on site 1:50
- Shooting at Linwood started 1:55

After discussing this in detail with people on a New Zealand forum, who have watched the full video, to save me finding and watching it myself, it sounds like he was at Deans Ave for 6 minutes. As he drives away, you can start to hear police sirens in the background. So that fits perfectly with the timeline stated by police.

So the single shooter narrative is plausible, based on the timelines alone. There are still some inconsistencies in witness statements & photos, but there's no clear reason to disbelieve the official account.

 

[rockfox]

but there's no clear reason to disbelieve the official account.

Except that whole 49 head body count. Completely out of proportion with the work of 1 man.

 

[steve]

That whole black pants, but arrested with camos is a bit problematic.

 

[FollowingHim]

Except that whole 49 head body count. Completely out of proportion with the work of 1 man.

No, because he's got a video that shows him actually shooting the first 40 of them. I've seen a minute of it and it's very clear he killed many people. He had a crowded building full of around 300 unarmed people, and after the able-bodied fled he went around deliberately killing the wounded. The death count is completely plausible for a single shooter in the circumstances and is better video-documented than any other such shooting in history. If you doubt that, you're welcome to go hunting for the video, it will certainly still be somewhere in the dark corners of the internet.

 

[PeteR]

That whole black pants, but arrested with camos is a bit problematic.

Agreed... Never in my combat experience did I stop for a wardrobe change... There is one time.... I'll save that story for the guys around the fire at a retreat… LOL

 

[The Revolting Man]

Agreed... Never in my combat experience did I stop for a wardrobe change... There is one time.... I'll save that story for the guys around the fire at a retreat… LOL

That would be your first combat experience right?

 

[rockfox]

No, because he's got a video that shows him actually shooting the first 40 of them. I've seen a minute of it and it's very clear he killed many people. He had a crowded building full of around 300 unarmed people, and after the able-bodied fled he went around deliberately killing the wounded. The death count is completely plausible for a single shooter in the circumstances and is better video-documented than any other such shooting in history. If you doubt that, you're welcome to go hunting for the video, it will certainly still be somewhere in the dark corners of the internet.

I'll give you that. But it is still odd as rarely do gun attacks kill this many, even when there are multiple shooters. Really high kill ratios; especially for a supposed newbie working alone.

 

[The Revolting Man]

I'll give you that. But it is still odd as rarely do gun attacks kill this many, even when there are multiple shooters. Really high kill ratios; especially for a supposed newbie working alone.

I have not seen the video but I have heard analysis that says the shooter was quite proficient in the use of his firearm. I would be interested to hear the explanation for that.

 

[FollowingHim]

You do need to bear in mind that in New Zealand nobody is armed in general life (those who have guns just keep them locked in safes at home), so opposition will be even less than in the USA or in less policed countries such as Africa / Middle East, and kill ratios may be higher as a result.

 

[FollowingHim]

I have not seen the video but I have heard analysis that says the shooter was quite proficient in the use of his firearm. I would be interested to hear the explanation for that.

All that's come out here is that he was a member of a rural shooting club - and that club has been absolutely vilified by the media as a result.

 

[The Revolting Man]

All that's come out here is that he was a member of a rural shooting club - and that club has been absolutely vilified by the media as a result.

It is very hard to get the kind of tactical "shoot and move" poficiency required for what he was doing at a gun club. It would need to offer quite detailed training with quite a bit of repetitions. I havd received some of that training (years ago and only standard infantry stuff) and it is a hard won skill set. I.can't imagine your average Call of Duty commando being able to keep that muscle memory when lead is moving at high velocities. Who can tell though. He obviously was capable of it and usually the simplest answer is the right answer.