This particular thread is what insisted its way into my consciousness as I was about to go to bed last night, so I brought the CLNT to bed with me and read the first couple chapters of Matthew, which reminded me more about what I referred to in my earlier post (above) -- and now I kind of wish I could wind back the clock and just refrain from going off on that tangent, because that's what it is: a tangent, and it's the wrong one.
I remember more about what I discovered in my meandering research on the matter, something that was inspired by one of the articles I was editing for
Bible Students Notebook: yes, the words in Hebrew were generally taken to mean 'maiden,' but they could also mean 'virgin,' and in the case of the Immaculate Conception, that was clearly the intended meaning. And for those who consider Jesus/Christ/Yeshua to be the Messiah, this is also a fulfillment of prophecy. The point of the original question about virginity was not whether Miriam was one but that it wasn't considered the imperative that many in fundamentalist Christianity have asserted it to be. Within Judaism, this was handled by a combination of the full expectation that once a union was recognized, (a) the woman would entirely limit her sexual congress to her man, and (b) any child who was born was strictly considered to be the heir of the man in the union. People were paying attention, so if a woman who hadn't been declared betrothed showed up pregnant, the man she was hanging out with
at that time would be
expected to step up to the plate. Whether due to incomplete comprehension of exactly when conception occurred or the lack of genetic testing, ultrasounds or pregnancy tests from the Dollar Store -- and despite the mistaken modern belief that folks in Yeshua's day were abiding by all the rules for proper sexual behavior -- it was not at all unknown for young people to do some fooling around before settling down, and, in general, the average citizen didn't make as big a deal out of an intact hymen as we have been led to believe.
I'm not sure exactly where
you're headed with this thread, and I'd like to know more. Are you just curious about the etymology of 'virgin' for scholarship's sake? Or are you attempting to come to a better understanding for the purpose of guiding your steps related to either your daughter's courting choices or your
own courting behavior? (Obviously, you're not required to answer something so personal -- or to elaborate even if you do.) We have had discussions in numerous threads here in the past about the whole issue of virginity, as many men here are already in middle age (30-60) when they become certain that they want to be polygynists, and many of those men carry with them the expectation that they must marry another virgin. Compound that with wanting to start being fruitful and multiplying all over again, and one starts to approach looking for a 28-guage tapestry needle in a haystack, because, these days, finding a young woman both of legal marrying age and intact virginal status is rare enough on its own, but to find among that minority subset one who has been saving herself to marry a man twice her age who is already married to another woman and has children (some of whom may be even older than the prospective bride) is a difficult task indeed.
If one's conviction is that 100% chastity is the only way to follow the law of The Word, then waiting to win the second-wife lottery when tickets aren't even for sale may appear to be the sole legitimate choice, and I know I'm still taking your original inquiry into a tangential alleyway, but I can't help but assert that learning that even the
definition of 'virgin' is not fully understood is an opportunity to discover that our Father is not expecting us to hold our choices to such unrealistically strict standards.
The definitions seem lacking to me.
Amen, but I am confident that at the time these manuscripts were written and disseminated the definitions were thoroughly understood by those who read and heard them. It is only the clouds of time, language differences and purposeful mistranslation that have obscured their meanings for us.