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Slumberfreeze

Slumberfreeze

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So I'm sort of a nutter. I believe that Christians can be in need of having demons cast out of them, as I have been delivered from demonic oppression and have delivered others through the authority of Jesus' name.

I also believe we have recently entered a period of time where demonic activity has just spiked from "I never hear about these types of things" to "almost everyone I know has a personal testimony".

I also believe that this year is going to be a year of heavy divine judgment against my country (U.S.A.), including (but not limited to) a probable financial collapse in mid september of this year.

I believe in Nephilim hybrids masquerading as aliens and I believe that the current Pope is a mighty good candidate for The False Prophet. I further believe he is in the process of creating a "super-church" with great political power that will be responsible for even further persecution of true believers.

Who's with me?

.... anyone?
 
Definitely believe in a demonic spiritual realm around us as is referenced in Daniel praying for 21 days before receiving an answer.
I have heard about demonic activity having spiked in recent months info being that they are preparing for something big.

I am open to divine heavy judgments against the US. Actually praying for it.
I do acknowledge rise of a super church but don't understand or have insight in all that was mentioned in your last paragraph. Please elaborate.
 
I'm not too sure about some of the things you mentioned Slumberfreeze but i do agree with one thing...that the Pope is trying really hard to be popular and is doing some things that long term Catholics are not happy about.
 
In retrospect I don't know that I should have put the pope and the nephilim in the same paragraph... I was just trying to blurt all of my issues out.

But as far as they go, I believe that the nephilim are offspring of rebellious angels and human women and that they survive to this day in many diverse forms that we tend to call aliens or any number of cryptids. When people say they are abducted and experimented upon, I don't think they are crazy. I think they are abducted and fiddled with by non/semi-human entities as part of a bizarre and nefarious breeding program.

I believe that most of what we call demons or evil spirits are the disembodied spirits of those nephilim that perished in the flood.

I believe that L.A. Marzulli does a much better job of explaining these things than I do.

Also as far as I'm concerned, it would not surprise me in the slightest if the current Pope were to be the one to anounce to the world that 'aliens' exist and have made contact with us. The Vatican is heavily (and quite publicly) involved in the search for E.T. and is rapidly adopting their doctrines to accomidate alien baptism. Not even stretching the truth here.

The deception will be great, indeed.
 
Let me back up a bit- Is anybody on the same page as me when I say that the Nephilim of Genesis 6 are in fact the offspring of angels and human women? (some translations call them giants)
 
Yeah, no issues with that bit. Even says they were the heroes of old. So, Hercules types. That's a pretty far step from Roswell grays though.
 
Good stuff.

Well, Solomon assures us that there is nothing new under the sun. What has been will be again and that anything that a person would say "look here, this is new" has been done long ago.

So what about genetic manipulation? Spider goats? Really boring minotaurs?

Gen 6:12 ... all flesh has corrupted it's way on the earth...

And we know by Jesus' testimony that demons are uncomfortabe when not inhabiting a body. (Luke 11:24)

Therefore I posit that not only is there likely great variation within living nephilim-spawn due to purposeful genetic manipulation, but I believe that there are 'manufactured' or 'lab-grown' bodies that are technically physically viable, for the express purpose of housing a nephilim's spirit. This is where entities like 'grays' come in.

Did grays evolve in a far away galaxy? No, that's crap. Evolution doesn't work here, it won't work in a galaxy far far away. They are home grown abominations created by beings that should never have existed to house the spirits of their ancestors.

I also regard the book of 1 Enoch to be a faithful book on the strength of Jude's testimony. Some things that are merely conjecture from official biblical testimony are baldly stated in Enoch.
 
Did the Book of Jude testify to the Book of Enoch being a reliable account, or do they simply share a similar story? We know from some of the other Apocryphal books, there are some shared elements; the same can be said of the works from LDS, Islam, etc. Does that necessarily validate the ones not previously accepted?
There are terms in the New Testament that also crop up in Rabbinic writings, and the documents from Qumran. Does that sanctify the Rabbinic writings and all the documents from Qumran, (even though vast quantities of the material is not in sync with the Canon), or merely show that literary works from the same cultural origin, discussing the same religious ideas, will sometimes overlap (even when they otherwise disagree)?
 
Jude actually authenticates it for us in a fairly dynamic manner. He testifies that the words that he is quoting (which are recorded in 1 Enoch) were Enoch's own words. And not just any Enoch, or someone writing a pseudo-autobiography: But Enoch, seventh from Adam, himself. We all know exactly who he means.

I believe every jot and tittle (as it were) of the New Testament is written with ultimate purpose and infinite design. Jude could have said a similar thing without quoting it from any source, could have quoted it without citing his source, and could have sited the source without making statements about the authenticity of it's authorship. He could have said "Is it not written in the book of Enoch?" But he (speaking by the Holy Spirit, and Scripture cannot be broken) testifies that Enoch himself, the first man ever raptured, he who walked with God and then was not found, for God took him; he wrote those words.

And I am willing to believe that the insights of a man who walked with God like that are reliable.

I don't know what similar story you are referring to. My experience with Enoch was delayed because I couldn't get over how different it felt from the scriptures I was used to, and how it dealt extensively in matters that the scriptures were mostly silent about. Have you read the book of Enoch?

I would say Jude's testimony of Enoch is sufficient to testify of Enoch. This does not canonize every laundry list and love note found in the Qumram caves, nor any other manuscript of however much interest.
 
There is a broad expanse of our faith that is open for speculation. I think most of us have pet theories and conjectures that aren't completely backed up in scripture. As long as they don't contradict scripture they're fine. Obviously the Nephilim existed. Obviously demonic activity is real. I am as disappointed in this pope as anybody. I had been greatly encouraged by John Paul and Benedict. Those two guys seemed to have their heads on more or less straight.

Do we have an accurate version of the book of Enoch though? I know it exists at one point but has it survived?
 
Yeah I'm curious about an accurate version of Enoch too. I have read some of the book and as was mentioned earlier the difference between it and the bible was too different to get me too interested. I like the way slumberfreeze put it. Agree
 
I would tend to think Jude does not authenticate Enoch the book which could not and cannot be authenticated as being written by Enoch. It seems Jude simply authenticates a then known prophecy of Enoch. Yes it did make it into the current known book of Enoch but again that could have been easily inserted in order to gain the notoriety sought for. Just my thoughts on the subject. But I do believe in many if not most of your conclusions gained from Enoch slumber freeze.
 
twooooohaaaappeeeeee!!!
I understand Occam's razor isn't the end all be all of logical thought, but that's no reason to put baby in a corner.
To put it another way is it more rational to believe that jude was referring to:

A written source that includes the prophecy and survived the antidiluvian period to the time of Christ, that was well known at the time but dissappears completely from history not mentioned anywhere in any other text; only to have one particular prophecy ripped from it's pages and inserted into a completely false text immediately after Jude mentions it?

or

A written source that includes the prophecy and survived the antidiluvian period to the time of Christ, that was well known at the time and in fact was widely distributed by means of the Septuagint even after Jude mentions it?

Either way, it is a real miracle that Enoch's words would be preserved from earth's earliest ages to the time that Jude would be able to reference it and assume that his readers would know what he was talking about. It strains my imagination to believe a text would be faithfully copied and divinely preserved for the majority of human history, only to dissappear completely around the time when the Holy Spirit prompts a man to quote it.

I actually highly encourage any Christian to actually read it, even if they have attempted to in the past and found it opaque. When I knuckled down and read it, I had sense of the holiness of God that made my mouth dry.


Oh! This is the version I read when I actually read it front to back. I found the translation less clunky than a previous one I tried to read.

http://www.forbiddengate.com/BookOfEnoch.pdf
 
I too hold the book of Enoch to be scripture, based both upon the testimony of Jude and the fact that it was not actually pulled from the canon of Christian scripture that most of us use until the fourth century after Christ. Indeed, the Ethiopian Coptic church continues to consider it canon.

And yes, copies have survived that are even older than the oldest new testament texts. In particular, there are portions in existence that date between 300BC and 100BC.

I've read it, and it is very interesting. I also recall that extra-biblical literature suggested the reason for removal from canon-status was that many felt that the worship of angels and other spiritual beings that was rampant back in the day was heavily influenced by this text. Thus, as in many other likely cases, men decided that it was not good for other men to read it or take it seriously.

In any case, it is funny that the OP mentions some of these things because Laurie and I have often discussed the possibility that the rise of the anti-christ and the spectacular things mentioned in Revelation might be "explained away" by our worldly culture as the discovery of extra-terrestrial life. Think about it, what better way to get all those atheists and agnostics out there to believe in the great deception than to give them what they already half believe to be true.

Just sayin...
 
Mg problem with that Oreslag is that if Enoch was taken out of the canon erroneously then God has allowed to 1600 years with an accurate copy of His word. I can't accept that. Either the Bible we have is the complete word of God or we can't trust any of it because we won't know what's been cut or added.
 
zephyr said:
Mg problem with that Oreslag is that if Enoch was taken out of the canon erroneously then God has allowed to 1600 years with an accurate copy of His word. I can't accept that. Either the Bible we have is the complete word of God or we can't trust any of it because we won't know what's been cut or added.
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Do you then also believe that the complete Word of God has only been with us since the 17th century? The reason I ask is that the 'canon' in use today by all protestants didn't come about until 1666. Perhaps most famously, the King James version was originally published with what we now call the Apocrypha until that date. So was the Geneva bible, made famous by the puritans bringing it to the new world. And before the schism of the church whereby the Roman Catholics and Orthodox churches separated, there were many more books in the 'canon'. In particular, the Orthodox bible in use by the early church has 76 books (by my count of my copy).

Which one does God approve and why?
 
Slumberfreeze said:
So I'm sort of a nutter. I believe that Christians can be in need of having demons cast out of them, as I have been delivered from demonic oppression and have delivered others through the authority of Jesus' name.
I also believe we have recently entered a period of time where demonic activity has just spiked from "I never hear about these types of things" to "almost everyone I know has a personal testimony".
I also believe that this year is going to be a year of heavy divine judgment against my country (U.S.A.), including (but not limited to) a probable financial collapse in mid september of this year.
I believe in Nephilim hybrids masquerading as aliens and I believe that the current Pope is a mighty good candidate for The False Prophet. I further believe he is in the process of creating a "super-church" with great political power that will be responsible for even further persecution of true believers.
Who's with me?
.... anyone?
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Hi Slumberfreeze.

Interesting post, I just read it now.

I am not really with you, but I respect a diversity of opinions.

Christians having demons? Hmmm, some would argue that light cannot fellowship with darkness, hence a Christian with the Holy Spirit dwelling in them cannot co-exist with a demon. However a Christian could be a target of demonic oppression, but not possession.

Demonic activity spiked? Hmmm, I have not noticed anything unusual but maybe I am blind to the spirit world. The level of evil in the world seems much the same as always.

Divine judgement against the USA? Well there is certainly plenty of reason for that, but why now? The USA has been slaughtering innocents for nay on two centuries now.

Financial collapse in mid-September? Well most nation's accounts are in a worse state now then when the GFC struck in 2007/08, so it is certainly a possibility. But then again things may muddle through and kick the can further down the road a few more years.

Nephilim hybrids? Well there is one or two sentences in Scripture about these, but I don't normally mention them when I first approach a girl... ;)

The current Pope? Well Popes over the centuries have been named as the Antichrist by many Christian luminaries. Certainly Roman Catholicism is a significant distortion of Christianity that has possibly done more than anything else to dilute the true faith.

A super-church? Yes I guess its possible, and also popular in a few Chick tract themes from memory. In my part of the world its difficult to get most people interested in any religion (apart from materialism).

But don't let me bore you too much with my tedious reply. Anyway, I have my own heresies to contend with.

Cheers,

ylop
 
Oreslag - OP here, :O , And I fully expect it to be Pope Francis that announces the 'proven' existence of E.T. On that day, I will frown the frown of a man whom is not surprised, just dissapointed.

ylop: If I meet a girl, and she doesn't acknowledge the existence of nephilim in the modern era, it is a DEAL BREAKER. Actually as a recovering misogynist I have a list of 490 deal breakers, each less reasonable than the last. Pray for my wife, if you will. The Lord has given her a mightily unrewarding task.

I am a n00b at spiritual warfare, so I'm not well able to adequately define the difference between possession and oppression, nor do I understand the difference between soul and spirit. I know that I had compulsions that I could not attain any lasting victory over, and that they quite awkwardly departed when someone took authority over them as though they were unclean spirits in the name of Jesus. In the same way, I relieved my wife of her lifelong crippling depression by ordering the spirit of depression to leave her in the name of Jesus. Likewise my mother of her irrational anger. (My mother was sort of dramatic... she went around singing Carman's "I've been delivered" for WEEKS)


And on the timing of the Judgment against my country, I'm given to understand that the Lord has called us to repent in many ways, and that 9/11 was a 'final warning' as it were. My country did not even make a believable pretense of repentance, and indeed, even the Church seems to have switched sides. All countries deserve judgment at all times IMO, but the Lord is longsuffering until He determines that a country has used up it's space to repent.


Zephyr: I believe there is precedent in Scripture that segments (at least) of Scripture can be lost (or misplaced, or not immediately available) for a time. When Hilkiah found the book of the law as he was rebuilding the temple under king Josiah, it was lost indeed. Preserved supernaturally, to be sure, but the people of Israel had no idea of it's contents. I don't think there is any pressing need to define the totality of the revealed scripture as "the bible we have". Not strictly, anyways. Our ancient scholars were good men, wise, and used by God. But it is the glory of God to conceal a matter, and it is the glory of kings to search the matter out.
 
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