Now somebody correct me if I'm wrong here but I believe the canon was pretty well set from about 400 on. I know there were debates here and there but not many or large. And chick tracks, that takes me back...
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I don't know. Not to be overly funny about it, but the word canon isn't in my bible. I've always been curious about certain claims of various august councils. How exactly did these guys know; and why should I take their word for it? It seems like believing in self evident truths about inalienable rights to me, which is to say, I'm not convinced.
The Word and the Spirit testify of themselves and each other. Not even the most serious scholar can add a testimony more meaningful, and if they contradict the Word and the Spirit, their testimony is not valid.
But honestly I don't know. I know that the Church was steeped in heresy at the earliest times of it's conception, so I'm really grain-of-salty about what any group of people in the year 400 had to say about ancient texts.
The Word and the Spirit testify of themselves and each other. Not even the most serious scholar can add a testimony more meaningful, and if they contradict the Word and the Spirit, their testimony is not valid.
But honestly I don't know. I know that the Church was steeped in heresy at the earliest times of it's conception, so I'm really grain-of-salty about what any group of people in the year 400 had to say about ancient texts.
Well I admit that I can not and will not waver on the belief that God has given us His Word as he intended for us to have it. If He can write, edit and publish a book then He is not much of a God. If we do 't have an accurate scripture then we can't have an accurate faith.
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zephyr said:
No, the canon in use today was not set by 400AD; far from it. As I pointed out in a previous post on this thread, the current protestant canon did not come about until 1666. In Christ's day, He quoted the text of the Septuagint; which was in common use throughout the Roman provinces of His day and contained many more books than the protestant canon does today.
The Christian canon has between 66 and 81 books, depending upon the particular denomination and part of the world you're in, and all of which existed well before 400AD and were in common use by the ancient church. Perhaps also noteworthy, the book of Enoch was included therein.
John 14:21,26
He that hath my commandments, and keeper them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, Whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
I believe those verses above still apply to us today. We have just as much of a promise today as the apostles , disciples did at the time of that utterance. So while I believe the written Scriptures are a gift I do not believe they are necessary to salvation. But that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Peter says" Knowing this first that no prophecy of the Scripture is of any private interpretation.
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. " (Still possible today)
Revelation 14:12-13
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, Smith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labors; and their works do follow them. ( underline that last section)
The Truth is that which is in agreement with The Almighty. The Truth is lived out daily in lives of people just as it was 2000 years ago. So who can say with authority that the Scriptures are finished.
He that hath my commandments, and keeper them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, Whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
I believe those verses above still apply to us today. We have just as much of a promise today as the apostles , disciples did at the time of that utterance. So while I believe the written Scriptures are a gift I do not believe they are necessary to salvation. But that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Peter says" Knowing this first that no prophecy of the Scripture is of any private interpretation.
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. " (Still possible today)
Revelation 14:12-13
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, Smith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labors; and their works do follow them. ( underline that last section)
The Truth is that which is in agreement with The Almighty. The Truth is lived out daily in lives of people just as it was 2000 years ago. So who can say with authority that the Scriptures are finished.
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