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Dune

FollowingHim

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Took my two oldest boys to see Dune 2 over the weekend. They never go to the cinema, largely because of the cost but also because there's no reason to, all modern movies are crap. So the one probably epic movie to come out in a long time was worth going to see, and it didn't disappoint - mostly. It was as well made and epic as anticipated, cinematically it's a great film.

There was one annoying change from the book regarding the relationship between Paul and his women. But this specific change was done to more clearly emphasise that Paul is NOT a hero and is actually slipping into evil by the end of the story, a subtlety that could easily be missed otherwise, so it's forgivable.

If you're looking for a good movie to see, that isn't preachy wokeness but just a story told well, I can thoroughly recommend it. There is one tiny hint of a sex scene as you see Paul and Chani in bed together very obviously a few seconds after they've been busy, but they are entirely modest - the filmmakers have wisely avoided overt sexual content to make their potential audience as wide as possible.

There's a good article on it and tonnes of memes over at Not the Bee:
notthebee.com

"Dune 2" had a banger of a weekend and I'm here to review the film with the spiciest memes

Dat spice be flowin'!
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I was thinking further about Dune last night, and realised that the story has one major difference with basically every other story - there are no "good guys". Try and think of one group who are the "good guys". There is a good individual here and there, but even most individuals have very obvious flaws. The elite range from "overtly evil" (Harkonens) to "have good intentions but fall into evil" (Paul). Even the Fremen themselves, the common people whose interests are supposed to be being defended, are evil, as they're ultimately willing and enthusiastic about engaging in a jihad against the universe. And almost everyone, either elite or common, does what they do under the direct or indirect influence of the witch-nuns of the Bene Gesserit, who are undoubtably evil.

This makes the story far more compelling than any other simplistic Hollywood script, which is usually a bunch of "goodies" fighting a bunch of "baddies". And it is far more realistic, as in the secular world around us there are really no "goodies" either, the elite on all sides are evil to a greater or lesser extent, and the commoners are also to the extent that they are willing to go along with the plans of the elite and even kill to advance those plans.

And in reality, each individual is simply pursuing their own interests. The combination of many individuals pursuing their own interests, interests which happen to take them in a similar direction, creates a current of movement which is almost unstoppable as it has no single leader who can be stopped. Every individual in it is compelled to travel in that direction for their own reasons, remove one "leader" and the flood will continue and produce another. How do you stop the flood? Paul is irresistibly drawn towards jihad because the whole of society is primed to move in that direction, he just happens to be positioned as a leader at that time. Sure the flow was begun by secretive individuals - the Bene Gesserit - but once begun even they couldn't stop it. Even killing the apparent leader Paul would not have stopped the jihad.

We see the same in the world around us. Our whole society is being drawn towards a form of bureaucratic fascism, centralisation of power, using excuses like "democracy", "global warming", "diversity" and so forth. How do you stop it? Everyone who is in a position to do something about it is themselves drawn in the same direction. Everyone in authority would need "power" of some form in order to change the direction of flow. But the only way they can gain more power is to go along with the flow, because the flow is growing the entire bureaucratic machine and giving more power to every individual in it. Sure this may have been triggered by some secretive individuals originally, and be still prodded along by them, but what they have started is a deep current that is very difficult for anybody to even steer, let alone reverse.

As the Reverend Mother Gaius said to Jessica at the end of the movie "You of all people should know that there are no sides".
 
Now, in reality there is one good "side" - that of God. But God's side does not align with ANY of the secular "sides" around us. It stands apart. His Kingdom is not of this world, it is entirely separate. Members of His Kingdom get caught up in all of the secular movements of this world, but that does not mean those movements should be identified as parts of the Kingdom.
 
FollowingHim said:
Our whole society is being drawn towards a form of bureaucratic fascism, centralisation of power, using excuses like "democracy", "global warming", "diversity" and so forth. How do you stop it?
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You fight it. With small things you resist. Like refusing their not-vaccines. Like refusing their 'pronouns'. Like refusing to be silent when someone says that homosexuality is good.

You also follow the rules the leftists used to gain their power:

en.wikipedia.org

Rules for Radicals - Wikipedia

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The Rules​

  1. "Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have."
  2. "Never go outside the expertise of your people."
  3. "Whenever possible go outside the expertise of the enemy."
  4. "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules."
  5. "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. There is no defense. It is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, who then react to your advantage."
  6. "A good tactic is one your people enjoy."
  7. "A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag."
  8. "Keep the pressure on."
  9. "The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself."
  10. "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition."
  11. "If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will break through into its counterside; this is based on the principle that every positive has its negative."
  12. "The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative."
  13. "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it."
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Some of those rules should ring familiar because we see them every day. Especially in politics and in the media.
 
MeganC said:
You fight it. With small things you resist. Like refusing their not-vaccines. Like refusing their 'pronouns'. Like refusing to be silent when someone says that homosexuality is good.

You also follow the rules the leftists used to gain their power:
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And that is true. If the flow was directed once using those strategies, it can be redirected using those strategies. But it's a major project. Recognising the nature of the problem is crucial.
 
FollowingHim said:
But it's a major project.
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Again, borrowing from the left here: Think globally but act locally.

Resistance at the local level contributes to resistance at the global level.

That's why we are starting to see progress in turning back the atrocities of 'transgenderism' and DEI. Because parents went to school board meetings, told the FBI they weren't afraid of the FBI, and then things changed.
 
Mark C said:
Sadly, regrettably, that is SO untrue.

Read Machiavelli.

Fear will do it.
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No so fast..

Legitimacy is why somebody should rule. It's scam and often supported by fear. Yet, scam once seen for what it is can't be unseen. And this breaks illusion of fear.

Even police are too powerless to stop it. When people decide to make fun of some law, it's police who is on losing side.
 
Sorry, no sale...and I don't have time to even TYPE all the examples.

But - many folks know the IRS is a scam, as is the 'debt ceiling' and fiat currency, federal reserve, and so on. Yet, they're still TERRIFIED of the IRS.

Every American knows, or should know, what "shall not be infringed" means, and that the BATF is an unconstitutional scam. Yet, they bend over like good li'l slaves and beg for permission to "own" a "firearm."

They know the last election was a scam, too. And, guess what?
 
Mark C said:
Sorry, no sale...and I don't have time to even TYPE all the examples.

But - many folks know the IRS is a scam, as is the 'debt ceiling' and fiat currency, federal reserve, and so on. Yet, they're still TERRIFIED of the IRS.

Every American knows, or should know, what "shall not be infringed" means, and that the BATF is an unconstitutional scam. Yet, they bend over like good li'l slaves and beg for permission to "own" a "firearm."

They know the last election was a scam, too. And, guess what?
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There is no disagreement here between us.

Singular disobedience puts you in jail. Mass disobedience has opposite effect.
 
Another thought on Dune. It is usually considered a "feminist" book - and it is - but not in the usual modern way. The "feminism" of Dune is more natural and more feminine than standard Western feminism.

Standard feminism pushes women into the same roles as men, so they end up in leadership either with or supplanting men. Now, I understand this does happen to a degree in the sequels to Dune - but not in the book itself.

In Dune, all the leaders are men. However, those men are influenced or controlled by the Bene Gessarit women, who operate by placing members strategically as the wives or concubines of the men, in a position where they can whisper in their ears, or in priestess type positions where they can influence the beliefs of the masses through false prophecies etc. The men are still in charge, the women influence them.

This is the natural order of things - men in charge, women in advisory roles. And it is the natural way that that natural order falls apart when men and women are evil - men seize power through force and become more brutal (the Harkonens), women seize power through deception, seduction, and other means of influence (the Bene Gessarit). Men and women are very different - and this difference is preserved and even highlighted in Dune.
 
FollowingHim said:
Another thought on Dune. It is usually considered a "feminist" book - and it is - but not in the usual modern way. The "feminism" of Dune is more natural and more feminine than standard Western feminism.

Standard feminism pushes women into the same roles as men, so they end up in leadership either with or supplanting men. Now, I understand this does happen to a degree in the sequels to Dune - but not in the book itself.

In Dune, all the leaders are men. However, those men are influenced or controlled by the Bene Gessarit women, who operate by placing members strategically as the wives or concubines of the men, in a position where they can whisper in their ears, or in priestess type positions where they can influence the beliefs of the masses through false prophecies etc. The men are still in charge, the women influence them.

This is the natural order of things - men in charge, women in advisory roles. And it is the natural way that that natural order falls apart when men and women are evil - men seize power through force and become more brutal (the Harkonens), women seize power through deception, seduction, and other means of influence (the Bene Gessarit). Men and women are very different - and this difference is preserved and even highlighted in Dune.
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The difference between masculine power (force) and feminine power (influence) seems to be lost on the current generation. Modern feminism seems to think that only masculine power is true power, and yet not that long ago feminine power was thought to be the greatest human power.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hand_That_Rocks_the_Cradle_(poem)

Since the church is the bride of Christ, is our feminine power (the power to influence God via prayer) our greatest power?
 
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