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Fake conspiracies

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The deeper we dig into scripture, the more we find that we have been misled about. The deeper we also dig into the systems of the world, the more we find we have been deceived there also. There are a lot of very real things we have to reconsider, and "wake up" about.

And Satan doesn't want us to find out about them. So he distracts us. With conspiracies that sound even bigger, even more important - yet are fake.

Personally, I think the flat earth issue falls into this category, but there's another thread for that discussion. There's a new one doing the rounds at the moment - the Mandela effect. Basically, the latest version of it is:
You know the Bible says the lion and the lamb will lie down together? Check the Bible. It says the wolf and the lamb. Every printed copy you can find says the wolf and the lamb, however old. But you know that cannot be correct. There are heaps of other examples where what you have always been told no longer agrees with what you know is correct. So the scientists at CERN must have gone back in time and changed history to meddle with the Bible and change it.

And the end result of that thinking is:
What is real and what is not? If you can't trust the Bible, because time-travelling illuminati scientists could have changed it, what can you trust? Only your own memory. So just believe what you know is correct, and disregard anything you read that disagrees, because it has been changed. Don't even bother reading the Bible any more, except to find where it has been changed, because you can't rely on it anyway.
And if the powers that be can even change history, there is no way to resist them, they are now all-powerful. They have essentially become gods. There is no hope in resisting, just do what you're told to stay safe. Submit to the beast.


It's ridiculous (as if history had changed our memories would be different too), and the intent (to drive people away from scripture) is so plainly obvious, that you'd think nobody would fall for it. In reality, the fact that scripture says the wolf and the lamb should encourage us to reconsider what we think we know and turn back to scripture. Yet people are falling for it in droves on Facebook. Why? Because it's so big that, if true, it would be so incredibly important that people think they must pay attention to it.

And while they focus on this they are taking time away from thinking about serious theological matters (e.g. plural marriage, what parts of the law we should follow), and serious worldly issues (e.g. vaccines, abortion, satanic influence on global leadership, microchip implants for financial transactions = mark of the beast?). These are serious concerns. Yet deep thinking people are being drawn away from them.

This tactic was actually covered by SouthPark, in an episode on the 9-11 attacks (I am not a SouthPark viewer, but have seen the occasional relevant episode). As is sometimes said, "If you want lies, watch the news. If you want truth, watch cartoons.". Note that I think 9-11 is a serious conspiracy, and this episode disagrees, but it is the principles that I want you to consider rather than the issue. This tactic can be applied to any issue.

You don't need to see the full episode, just a minute of it. Follow the link, go to 19:00 and watch until 20:30. This section is pretty clean and safe for anyone. Or I've quoted it below.
http://www.watchcartoononline.com/south ... al-deuce-2
Detective: "All the 9-11 conspiracy websites are run by the government. The 9-11 conspiracy is a government conspiracy"
Boy: "Why would the government want people to think they caused 9-11?"
Detective: "For governments to have power they must convince people to give them complete control. What better way to make people fear them than to think they are capable of the most elaborate plan on earth?"
George Bush: "Don't believe what he says boys, we caused 9-11. It's all right here in these secret documents, but you'll never get them" (then "accidentally" drops the folder of "secret documents" on the floor and starts to walk away)
Boy: "I knew it, you didn't really plan 9-11"
George Bush: "Boys, you don't understand. People need to think we're all-powerful, that we control the world. If they knew we weren't in charge of 9-11, then we appear to control nothing."
Boy: "Why don't you just tell people the truth?"
George Bush: "We do that too, and most people believe the truth. But one fourth of the population is retarded. If they want to believe that we control everything with intricate plans, why not let them?"
Think about every conspiracy very, very carefully.
- If people believe it, what will they do? What will they not do?
- Who gains if they do or don't do this?

In this age of the internet, when it is incredibly easy if you've got the cash to take a large number of paid online trolls and put them into discussions to plant an idea and reinforce it to give the impression of a consensus, it is very easy to make a fake conspiracy. If you make it big enough, it's very easy to get people interested in it. Make a few low-budget websites with some proofs on it and you can distract millions of hours of time from solid people who might spend that time studying something really important, and get them absorbed into your fiction instead. While you get to keep doing whatever it was you threw this smokescreen up to hide.

All is not always as it seems on the surface. Just because a conspiracy sounds really really big, doesn't mean it is true. But also, the fact some conspiracies are fake does not mean all conspiracies are fake. Some are real. And very serious. And that is why there are fake conspiracies - to distract us from the real ones.

And since the best way to distract someone from something real is to get them interested in something that sounds even bigger and more important, it is the biggest conspiracies that are most likely to be fake, as they're the only ones that would be effective distractions.

We must be extremely discerning in this age of misinformation.
 
I have to agree. I'm one of those who chased many conspiracy rabbits. Only to come full circle and have more faith and trust in Yah then ever before. I'm convinced it will be him that sustains us through the worst of it all. When or where ever that my be.

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Hoorah.
 
Got it.
Soo, nobody is trying to disprove Samuel's example of a fake conspiracy and the flat earth has its own thread.
Any other examples?
 
Are all conspiracies fake. ... I think not. Maybe even not by a long shot. Disinformation on the other hand, ..... If anything keeps us from knowing why we spin are weels for big government, false religion and teachers, and continued loss of family values. It's perfectly placed disinformation.

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Steve, it's hard to know what is true and what is fake. I've always dumped chemtrails into the "fake distraction" basket too. Having said that, I must admit that this means I haven't put the time into actually looking into it to be sure it's fake, so can't prove my initial assumption one way or the other! It just seems an incredibly inefficient way of trying to do anything, and too big a conspiracy to readily hide, so most likely fake. But I have also been happy to ignore it due to the fact that I live on a narrow island nobody would bother trying to spray chemicals onto from high altitudes since they'd just disappear out to sea, so even if it were true elsewhere it would probably be irrelevant to me.

On the other hand, vaccines are a very real issue, that's basic science. Agrochemicals are also, again there's plenty of scientific evidence emerging around that. GM food, whether or not it is a problem in itself, is associated with increased use of chemicals, often high use of roundup so is just an extension of the agrochemical issue, which is a real problem. Microchip implants for financial transactions are already being tested, will be commercially available within months or 1-2 years at the latest, and probably become practically essential if not mandatory within a decade - the question over whether this is the mark of the beast is very serious to ponder.

Also, chemtrails if true (and the Mandala effect) are something none of us can prevent, while vaccines, agrochemicals and microchips are all issues we can take a personal stand on in our own lives. This would make chemtrails a very effective distraction, as it would turn people from thinking about things they can take personal action about and focus them instead on something that is outside their control. So they don't take as much personal action against the things they could have stood up against, and cannot take action against the thing they are thinking about, so ultimately resist less than they would have, and are easier to bring into submission to the system. Even if chemtrails are true, it may be better to be focussing on things you can actually control.
 
Speaking as an aircraft mechanic who has worked on planes specifically accused of spraying chemtrails: that conspiracy is bunk.


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Unless Untold Glory is trying to reinforce the conspiracy theory by casting official doubt on it thus encouraging both the skeptics and the believers at the same time, further dividing and distracting us. Diabolical.

My favorite conspiracy theory is that Amelia Earhart was a traitor and defected to Japan before the war to help develop the Zero fighter and that she was Tokyo Rose. She died quietly in the seventies having lived out the remainder of her life as a housewife in New Jersey.
 
It's good to remember that ever since the second world war there were theories that Hitler had not died in the bunker but had escaped to Argentina, always dismissed as incorrect - and now in the last couple of years they have turned out to be true, with official FBI records being released confirming they knew it all along. So some conspiracy theories are certainly correct.

I'm also interested to know how you know the trails behind aircraft are not contrails TLS.
 
I am doing the asking here. How is it that the contrails I remember as a child dissappeared and the cemtrails we see today last all day and more? If you's want to support they are just con. Then explain the two.

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Well I don't know about your experiences as a child. I do know that contrails are not a new thing (like so: http://contrailscience.com/contrail-pho ... h-history/). It seems to me though that what you are describing is a combination of factors. 1) The memories of a child, and more specifically, what stands out about them. Memories from childhood are easily shaped, so unless you were specifically timing them, that's not exactly what I would consider strong evidence. and 2) Jet engines are both larger and more efficient than they used to be. For instance, the jets I work on all had their engines replaced with engines that are about three times as large, and vastly more efficient. They displace more air, and more importantly, the exhaust coming out of them is cooler. Burning fuel more efficiently in high bypass jet engines creates cooler exhaust which is more likely to condense before it mixes with the surrounding air. 3) There are more jet engines compared to turboprop engines than there used to be, especially in private and corporate aircraft. That means not only more contrails, but that they fly at higher cruising altitudes which translates to longer lasting contrails.
 
UntoldGlory said:
they fly at higher cruising altitudes which translates to longer lasting contrails.
I think that's the key factor. The higher you go, the colder the air, so the water vapour freezes and the contrail is ice particles. They're highly visible and last a very long time.

Furthermore, if you actually wanted to apply a chemical to a particular area, you would never spray it out at 30,000 feet (where those contrails are that you're seeing). It will take so long to reach the ground, and has to go through layers of air moving in different directions, sometimes at high speed, and the weather will change from what you expected in some of those layers between spraying and it hitting the ground, that you'd never be able to get anywhere close to your target. The chemical would dissipate over millions of kilometres, most never reaching a human, and be at such a low concentration it would never be able to affect anyone. You'd aim at New York, miss it entirely, but hit the whole of Canada with half of it and the Atlantic ocean with the rest.

That's why agricultural topdressing (cropdusting) planes fly so close to the ground they look like they're going to crash into trees. It's the only way to hit the target.
 
This was posted by Mena Lee Grebin on her Facebook page. She's a prophetess of YHWH and from my observations and discernment she's completely legit. You can find her on Facebook and on YouTube. I thought this post was relevant to this conversation.

So many people have come to me lately asking about the Mandella effect, CERN, Planet X, did the Lord tell me that the earth is flat (seriously people???). Who is the Antichrist? Am I sinning if I go to church on Sunday instead of Saturday? Can I eat pork, paw of monkey, wing of bat, eye of newt...etc? Is it Jesus, Yeshua, Yehoshua, or יֵשׁוּעַ? The post-tribs are arguing with the pre-tribs, who are eating the mid-tribs (please get a life).
Listen people, here is the answer to ALL of your questions...you ready? The answer is...ask yourself this; Will it bring you or anyone else closer to God or help you to hear His voice? Is it going to write anyone's name down in the Book of Life? Will it deliver you or anyone else from strongholds, generational curses or hell itself? With an extraordinary exception of the name of JESUS, YESHUA (and it doesn't matter which one you call Him), the answer is NO. So therefore, it doesn't matter.
Don't you see? These are nothing more than distractions. Even all this coverage on the election is a distraction. Do you even know what's going on in the rest of the world? Jesus is coming America! Wake up! The harvest is plentiful, but the laborers are so few. There are so many that are lost, and so many of us in the church that just won't reach them. We don't care. We only care about ourselves or how much knowledge we can obtain so that we can "look" holy, or righteous.
Stop allowing yourself to get distracted by the cares, worries, and fears of this world. Know that these things that are unfolding MUST take place as a sign of the season of the Lord's return, but don't let it be your focus. Focus on your house, your oil lamp, your robe being spot, wrinkle, and blemish free. Then focus on the lost, and bear witness to the TRUTH, and bring them to salvation. I will leave you with this scripture.
And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut. Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open to us!’ But he answered and said, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.' Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming. -Matthew 25:10-13
Shabbat Shalom
Mena Lee Grebin
Faithful Walk Healing Ministries
 
Thanks for sharing, Sarah.
 
UntoldGlory said:
...... 2) Jet engines are both larger and more efficient than they used to be. For instance, the jets I work on all had their engines replaced with engines that are about three times as large, and vastly more efficient. They displace more air, and more importantly, the exhaust coming out of them is cooler. Burning fuel more efficiently in high bypass jet engines creates cooler exhaust which is more likely to condense before it mixes with the surrounding air....

I appreciate you have first hand experience with looking at aircraft "guts" but what makes you think that you would automatically be "privileged" to get to see those that may be used for the chemtrail spraying? Surely, if a "conspiracy" is taking place it will not be done in a way so that anyone can have a sneak peak, do you know what I mean?
 
Have you noted guys that seemingly these topics have occupied any serious believer one way or another? Christians that don't go past Sunday service reject even the idea of anything outside the status quo straight away. Then there are those living out or at least believing in polygyny for example and guess what: we all have at least encountered one or the other so called conspiracy!
To me that's very interesting because surely if all conspiracies were by default a fallacy then why are we even trying to figure it out?

May the Lord Almighty help us to make the right choices and conclusions.
 
Lila said:
I appreciate you have first hand experience with looking at aircraft "guts" but what makes you think that you would automatically be "privileged" to get to see those that may be used for the chemtrail spraying? Surely, if a "conspiracy" is taking place it will not be done in a way so that anyone can have a sneak peak, do you know what I mean?

It's not about privilege, it's about it being physically impossible to hide that kind of equipment from someone who crawls over and works on literally every inch of the plane.


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