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Is Porn Use good for Christians?

Hey why not reply to an old thread. Here is where I see issues. Do you know if the woman is married? Is it worth chancing commiting adultery in your heart? Lets say that she's single, are you then supporting her to stay uncovered and helping her be stuck in supporting herself? Do you have the intent to step in and marry her?
 
I consider viewing people having sex outside of marriage as condoning the act along the lines of Rom. 1:32.

It's stuff along the lines of "modeling" where I get tripped up in my reasoning. Without the poor translation of Matt. 5:27-28, I don't see a strong argument against it.

I think a big problem we see is we live in a world of excess where for most of history, we had very small "worlds". Just like we (culturally) are fat because we have more food than ever before and we haven't figured out how to adjust to it, men have access to more visually stimulating women in the palm of their hand than Solomon did in his whole harem. The visually stimulating women isn't the problem, so much as the amount.
 
Other than not going to war with his troops, in the story of David and Bathsheba, when did David first sin?

1. When he looked at Bathsheba bathing on the roof.
2. When he sent his servant to inquire about her, likely intending to have sex with her.
3. When he learned she was married and committed to send for her anyway.
4. When he had sex with her.
5. Other

If David would have had a solo performance while watching Bathsheba bath after learning she was married, would Samuel have been sent to correct him?
 
NS4Liberty said:
Other than not going to war with his troops, in the story of David and Bathsheba, when did David first sin?

1. When he looked at Bathsheba bathing on the roof.
2. When he sent his servant to inquire about her, likely intending to have sex with her.
3. When he learned she was married and committed to send for her anyway.
4. When he had sex with her.
5. Other

If David would have had a solo performance while watching Bathsheba bath after learning she was married, would Samuel have been sent to correct him?
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Based on Matthew 5:28, #1 would be the unknowing transgression because she is a married woman. Willful sin #3
 
I take a extremely strong stance against it for many reasons. Number one you do not know what is happening to those ladies to lead them to do that. A report I read lately says 75 to 80 percent of ladies have been coherced tricked or entrapped into. Now how would you feel if someone one in your family was tricked into it you would be pissed and go after them. So why are you supporting them financially every time you click on a video it is just like youtube. You pay that individual pet visit. That right there should be enough to have it where you are unhappy. That right there is wrong forcing entrapping a lady to have sex on video wrong you watch it you support it. You then are participating in it and are party to that sin. I hope I make sense
 
But what’s the scriptural argument? We have to do the right things for the right reasons. What’s the right reasoning?
 
The Revolting Man said:
But what’s the scriptural argument? We have to do the right things for the right reasons. What’s the right reasoning?
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If you’re sure you’re not looking at a naked married woman which by your definition is a virgin, or officially divorced/widowed. Then have at it.

Otherwise I find it highly improbable a virgin is doing porn.

The porn industry is suspiciously similar to the pagan temples of old. Enough so that I don’t want to walk through those doors and avoid all appearances of evil.

Those are good enough scriptural reasons for me.
 
NickF said:
If you’re sure you’re not looking at a naked married woman which by your definition is a virgin, or officially divorced/widowed. Then have at it.

Otherwise I find it highly improbable a virgin is doing porn.

The porn industry is suspiciously similar to the pagan temples of old. Enough so that I don’t want to walk through those doors and avoid all appearances of evil.

Those are good enough scriptural reasons for me.
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I don’t disagree. But let’s talk to the “addict”. Let’s formulate the argument for someone who uses porn in an out of control, destructive way. What do we tell that person God says about it?
 
You know with virtual reality and augmented reality becoming things, the temptation to abandone reproduction and go after porn will be greater than ever. When I look at the people involved in the industry, I don't see fruitfulness. When we use/view these 'celebrities' we are actively supporting their lifestyles by allowing our attention (which has real economic value) to enrich their world. Then they spend the money they make from this to progress in life and almost none of them become good examples of biblical fruitfulness. I think this is the obvious problem here.

In a world of scarce resources, we should want our attention to go to things that support the bigger mission of having descendant that follow after Yah.

With that said, I'm curious what people think of animated porn. They aren't real people, they just elicit real sexual reaction. A bit of a rabbit hole but relevant. Are these animated bodies 'Image of God' or does that take the existence of a soul/spirit?
 
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Porn is good for screwing up mental circuits connected with reproduction.
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This is what I was getting at with my comment on having an amount problem.

I look at hd video of people having sex (my current definition of porn) the same way I look at refined sugar. Natural good drives have been hijacked in a relatively short amount of time. Of course, people don't treat drinking soda with the same disdain as someone watching porn but they are in some aspects the same.
 
The Revolting Man said:
But what’s the scriptural argument?
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Is someone deep in porn going to be swayed by a logical scriptural argument? Or will they simply try and find the loopholes in that argument and keep going - as they are operating in the realm of emotion rather than trying to find and follow God's ideal plan in all aspects of life? Might this be best countered by addressing their emotional attraction to it, at which point they will be in a position to consider the scriptural arguments more clearly?

Remembering this is quoting a fictional demon, so it's written backwards, this is good food for thought on why porn use is harmful and against God's plan, even without needing to do a careful scriptural study:

“Never forget that when we are dealing with any pleasure in its healthy and normal and satisfying form, we are, in a sense, on the Enemy’s (God’s) ground…He [God] made the pleasure: all our research so far has not enabled us to produce one. All we can do is to encourage the humans to take the pleasures which our Enemy [God] has produced, at times, or in ways, or in degrees, which He [God] has forbidden. ”​


― C.S. Lewis, Screwtape Letters

Porn is a way Satan uses a pleasure God has made in order to mess up somebody's life. That's a pretty simple reason to see it is wrong and reject it.
 
FollowingHim said:
Is someone deep in porn going to be swayed by a logical scriptural argument? Or will they simply try and find the loopholes in that argument and keep going - as they are operating in the realm of emotion rather than trying to find and follow God's ideal plan in all aspects of life? Might this be best countered by addressing their emotional attraction to it, at which point they will be in a position to consider the scriptural arguments more clearly?

Remembering this is quoting a fictional demon, so it's written backwards, this is good food for thought on why porn use is harmful and against God's plan, even without needing to do a careful scriptural study:

“Never forget that when we are dealing with any pleasure in its healthy and normal and satisfying form, we are, in a sense, on the Enemy’s (God’s) ground…He [God] made the pleasure: all our research so far has not enabled us to produce one. All we can do is to encourage the humans to take the pleasures which our Enemy [God] has produced, at times, or in ways, or in degrees, which He [God] has forbidden. ”​


― C.S. Lewis, Screwtape Letters

Porn is a way Satan uses a pleasure God has made in order to mess up somebody's life. That's a pretty simple reason to see it is wrong and reject it.
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I was swayed by a deep spiritual argument, once I got honest enough to go find one. In fact it was the only thing that helped. I would submit that we don’t have anything else of substance to offer then a clear accounting of what God says on any topic but especially one where there is so much defeat and bondage. Porn is too powerful for us to rely on anything else.
 
The Revolting Man said:
I was swayed by a deep spiritual argument, once I got honest enough to go find one. In fact it was the only thing that helped. I would submit that we don’t have anything else of substance to offer then a clear accounting of what God says on any topic but especially one where there is so much defeat and bondage. Porn is too powerful for us to rely on anything else.
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It is the Word of God that is living and powerful and able to call people from death to life. We don't need to settle for less.
 
The scriptural argument against porn for the addict goes something like this:
1. Men are supposed to be attracted to women. (Adam being presented with Eve, etc.)
2. Sexual arousal is not in and of itself wrong. Otherwise Song of Solomon could not be included in the Bible.
3. Matt. 5:27-28 should be translated "but I say to you that everyone who gazes intently at a [married] woman in order to covet her has already committed adultery with her in his heart."
4. Sexual arousal from looking at women is not a sin, BUT there are restrictions in our freedom. @The Revolting Man 's article covers the don't be creepy stuff at the end pretty well.
5. Porn (watching people have sex) involves fornication or other sexual immorality. Watching it implies support for their actions. Rom. 1:32 says supporting sin is basically as bad as doing it yourself.
6. Masturbation is not forbidden and if you are too young for a wife or can't find one you may do so without looking at porn.

Putting sexual arousal from a hot girl on instagram on the same level as watching porn, which is basically what the western feminist mainstream church teaches, leaves men hopelessly enslaved to their design. Why shun porn when looking at a hot girl walking by is just as bad? That is the thought that needs to be broken, in my opinion.
 
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