January 20th 2025 - Donald Trump is BACK!

[steve]

 

[theleastofthese]

Basically the "side" who strongly opposes the government telling them what to do. Now finds themselves completely helpless, literally forced to vote for Trump

 

[scarlet25]

Having set Mark on "ignore" I

The fact of the matter remains he acknowledge the Creator of the Universe. Also, as Mark said no one knows the intent of another's heart.

Having set Mark Cyst to "ignore" due to his absolutely reptilian behavior, I have neither a clue nor a care what snarling, brimstone-riddled, adolescent drivel he typed, but if your remark is in fact a verbatim quote then it seems to be right in line with his usual hypocritical style, considering "knowing the intent of another's heart" is precisely what he does every time he speaks of any politician other than Rostov On-Donald.
As to your claim "He acknowledges the Creator of the Universe," so did Hitler, Napoleon, Mussolini, Lopez de Santa Anna, Ivan the Terrible, Vladimir Putin and every one of the Borgia Popes to name just a few of the mass murderers of whom the same can be said. For that matter, so did Genghis Khan. A villain can "acknowledge" God as easily as you or I can. That "acknowledgement" means nothing when one's actions clearly demonstrate they have nothing to do with Christ.

Meanwhile, even still, not a single person on this site has had the courage to address a single one of the seven questions I put forth, so here they are again. I'm still waiting for the time when one person can name one solid justification for one single point on this list.

Just to indulge Eve's folly (curiosity) for a second here, I'm curious. Is anybody bothered over the fact that by reopening Bagram Air Force Base at the request of the Taliban government, with Taliban oversight of it, he has made us a de-facto ally of the Taliban?
Or that he has been quite open about his fawning admiration for a KGB-raised dictator enthroned in Gog (Russia)?
Or that his ambassador to the UN voted shoulder-to-shoulder with China, Iran and North Korea, and against quite literally every nation on the planet with a Christian majority except Brazil, by refusing to condemn a nation that has bombed more churches and murdered more priests in three years than ISIS has since it was founded (Russia again)?
Or that he has provoked both our neighbors (including the one that has been our closest ally for a century) into entertaining talks of a mutual defense pact with China?
Or that his Vice-President has publicly proclaimed that he does not consider the US to be bound by its own signature on any treaty signed by any administration before this one?
Or that he is the only president in my lifetime to enter office while under investigation for rape?
Or that his Major Domo has publicly stated he considers empathy to be the West's greatest weakness (which is the direct polar antithesis of absolutely every word that ever came out of Yeshua's mouth)?

 

[steve]

 

[scarlet25]

Basically the "side" who strongly opposes the government telling them what to do. Now finds themselves completely helpless, literally forced to vote for Trump

And there we have it. the entire Cult of Trump is built on "he can do whatever he wants as long as he's not Biden."

 

[theleastofthese]

verbatim quote then it seems to be right in line with his usual hypocritical style,

Yup, because apparently those rules don't apply to them. It's a common theme...

 

[MemeFan]

Basically the "side" who strongly opposes the government telling them what to do. Now finds themselves completely helpless, literally forced to vote for Trump

You are totally missing Trump's significance. His rightneouss has zero significance. And matter. What matters is he is dynamite. That's only thing which matters.

Really is that biggest risk in world is WW3 combined with forming one world government. DEI would be ideological basis of their rule.

It's takes special blindness not to see that world governmenymt will do everything in it's power to destroy Christianity. Only allowable options would be regime ideology skinned one.

And us you be first in firing line simply because they can shame us and blacken us before world.

Precisely because Trump is blowing control systems set for future world government is his whole value.

And since governance function in society must always exist, making governance more local and sensitive to needs of locals and making them less global in teritorry means advance for freedom in total.

 

[MemeFan]

I don't get into politics very often but I've got to say, I find it unfathomable that there are so many people who profess to be Disciples of Christ yet are rejoicing over the fact that one of the five most un-Christlike men on the planet is now at the head of the most powerful (and deadliest) nation in Human history, especially while that same man openly proclaims his desire to break treaties (so much for "let your yes be yes and your no be no," right?) and attack neighbors just because he feels like he can (because Christ was a "might makes right" kind of guy and that "the meek shall inherit" stuff was all just a lark, of course).

Because treaties aren't set in stone.

You don't have to follow treaty written by your grear-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-fathet of Anno Domini 765.

Just to indulge Eve's folly (curiosity) for a second here, I'm curious. Is anybody bothered over the fact that by reopening Bagram Air Force Base at the request of the Taliban government, with Taliban oversight of it, he has made us a de-facto ally of the Taliban?

Well, Bagram is special location.

Also, only interests are eternal, friends and enemies not.

Or that he has been quite open about his fawning admiration for a KGB-raised dictator enthroned in Gog (Russia)?
Or that his ambassador to the UN voted shoulder-to-shoulder with China, Iran and North Korea, and against quite literally every nation on the planet with a Christian majority except Brazil, by refusing to condemn a nation that has bombed more churches and murdered more priests in three years than ISIS has since it was founded (Russia again)?
Or that he has provoked both our neighbors (including the one that has been our closest ally for a century) into entertaining talks of a mutual defense pact with China?

I can't wait you finding international relationships are fully mafia style 100%, only with finesse and moralising beating Mexican telenovelas.

Or that his Vice-President has publicly proclaimed that he does not consider the US to be bound by its own signature on any treaty signed by any administration before this one?

Off course, you can change your mind. You can decide to inform your employer you don't consider anymore yourself bound by treaty you have with him. We usually call that quitting job.

I'm sorry, Bible forbids changing current employer because current one is still alive is written or implied nowhere.

Or that he is the only president in my lifetime to enter office while under investigation for rape?

Who cares? Establishment will try to show themselves are being virtous while having oy darkness in heart, whe dissidents are literally Hitler.

Or that his Major Domo has publicly stated he considers empathy to be the West's greatest weakness (which is the direct polar antithesis of absolutely every word that ever came out of Yeshua's mouth)?

That is correct. You see, West has provided much empathy towards weak and we got is murderous, welfare loving immigrants. We are ones getting abused and it's time to stop abuse.

If Westerners, to use game theory, cooperate and migrants cheats, well it's time to kick migrants out for cheating. As any self-resoecting nation should do.

And for that matter, is anybody bothered by the fact that the first three on that list all fulfill the definition of treason as defined in Article III Section 3 of the Constitution?

No crime can exist for saving life, family or nation. Therefore no sin can exist for that.

You are now exactly as Pharisees for healing on Saturday. How dare you save human? Naughty Jesus with his craziness of saving people on incorrect procedural day.

Seems somebody needs to stop watching CNN.

 

[scarlet25]

You are totally missing Trump's significance. His rightneouss has zero significance. And matter. What matters is he is dynamite. That's only thing which matters.

Okay, I'm not going to bother with the rest of the comment. What we've got here is you openly acknowledge Trump is evil and you openly declare (while claiming to be a follower of Christ), that you don't care how wicked he is as long as he causes as much upheaval as possible.

If that is your view then there is little I can do but dust off my sandals in your direction and say "I don't envy you on Judgement Day when you go before the Judgement Seat thinking you're covered by Christ's blood and a Middle Easterner who never spoke a word of English in His life and would be flagged by I.C.E. as an entry risk, looks you over with a disdainful sneer and says 'you're covered with blood alright, but none of it is Mine.'"
And with that, I take my leave of this thread.

 

[scarlet25]

No crime can exist for saving life, family or nation. Therefore no sin can exist for that.

Yes, a crime DOES exist for it. I even outlined what crime and where its definition is found. Try to keep up, please.

 

[scarlet25]

Well, Bagram is special location.

Also, only interests are eternal, friends and enemies not.

So you're fine with America allying with Muslim Jihadis who murdered Americans on 9/11?
Well thank you for confessing you like seeing Americans get murdered. Given your other posts I'd say that was a given, but never mind.

I can't wait you finding international relationships are fully mafia style 100%, only with finesse and moralising beating Mexican telenovelas.

Nothing in this is even remotely, tangentially related to anything you are replying to.

Off course, you can change your mind. You can decide to inform your employer you don't consider anymore yourself bound by treaty you have with him. We usually call that quitting job.

I'm sorry, Bible forbids changing current employer because current one is still alive is written or implied nowhere.

A treaty is a covenant. Once signed it is binding. We are commanded by Christ "let your yes be yes and your no be now," and to prove a willingness to break a signed covenant is to declare that one considers lying to be acceptable. If you consider yourself qualified to rescind the Commandments, take that up with their Author.

That is correct. You see, West has provided much empathy towards weak and we got is murderous, welfare loving immigrants. We are ones getting abused and it's time to stop abuse.

So you acknowledge that empathy is evil? Then you are calling Christ a liar.

You are now exactly as Pharisees for healing on Saturday. How dare you save human? Naughty Jesus with his craziness of saving people on incorrect procedural day.

I have pointed out that a president is openly working with enemies who have sworn the extinction of America, and that makes me the same as the Pharisees who forbade the saving of lives? Yeah, try again, kid. And of course, this is followed up with the classic "something something just mention CNN and pretend you've said something pithy" tactic. If CNN is some kind of new-age Croatian slang for "my first doctoral degree was in Constitutional Law and the second was in International Law," then yes.

So then, after three attempts to see if anyone could provide a rebuttal, the best anyone has been able to conjure up is a scrabble of non sequitur and some conspiracy theories, coupled with the classic collection of Right Wing insults and sprinkled with three assertions that Christ was wrong and you seek to correct His shortcomings.
Little boy, stick to 4-Chan chatrooms.

And with THAT, I will do as I said I would do earlier and smilingly walk away to leave those on this thread to continue groping in darkness.

 

[frederick]

Meanwhile, even still, not a single person on this site has had the courage to address a single one of the seven questions I put forth, so here they are again. I'm still waiting for the time when one person can name one solid justification for one single point on this list.

There are many of us here who have little or no interest in American politics because our hope is in Jesus Christ as our Saviour and not in the president of some country. This site is Biblical Families, so please understand that our failure to respond stems from our focus on Him as our Rock and Deliverer, our King. Shalom

 

[Mark C]

And with that, I take my leave of this thread.

Good riddance. You didn't really engage in any useful actual DISCUSSION to begin with.

Case in point:

Meanwhile, even still, not a single person on this site has had the courage to address a single one of the seven questions I put forth, so here they are again. I'm still waiting for the time when one person can name one solid justification for one single point on this list.

Liar. You - like too many knee-jerk leftists - simply ignore any arguments you can't handle, and pretend to stop your ears. Which "hear not," anyway.

For those who were actually interested in the thread to begin with:

If the flatulent claim that Trump is somehow 'logically equivalent' to a list of dictators from Adolf to Genghis because he managed to 'acknowledge' the Creator as such, is any kind of 'proof' - whereas the last few wannabe dictators utterly refused to - what does that say? Obama even asserted that AmeriKa-with-a-K (his re-imagining) was "not a Christian nation."

But it helps clarify TDS, and why they have a hissy fit when called out, ala "Invasion of the Body Snatchers..."

THIS is why I caution against the intended, coming, 'civil war' 2.0.

 

[steve]

 

[steve]

And with that, I take my leave of this thread.

My sincere thanks.

 

[The Revolting Man]

I don't get into politics very often but I've got to say, I find it unfathomable that there are so many people who profess to be Disciples of Christ yet are rejoicing over the fact that one of the five most un-Christlike men on the planet is now at the head of the most powerful (and deadliest) nation in Human history, especially while that same man openly proclaims his desire to break treaties (so much for "let your yes be yes and your no be no," right?) and attack neighbors just because he feels like he can (because Christ was a "might makes right" kind of guy and that "the meek shall inherit" stuff was all just a lark, of course).

Just to indulge Eve's folly (curiosity) for a second here, I'm curious. Is anybody bothered over the fact that by reopening Bagram Air Force Base at the request of the Taliban government, with Taliban oversight of it, he has made us a de-facto ally of the Taliban?
Or that he has been quite open about his fawning admiration for a KGB-raised dictator enthroned in Gog (Russia)?
Or that his ambassador to the UN voted shoulder-to-shoulder with China, Iran and North Korea, and against quite literally every nation on the planet with a Christian majority except Brazil, by refusing to condemn a nation that has bombed more churches and murdered more priests in three years than ISIS has since it was founded (Russia again)?
Or that he has provoked both our neighbors (including the one that has been our closest ally for a century) into entertaining talks of a mutual defense pact with China?
Or that his Vice-President has publicly proclaimed that he does not consider the US to be bound by its own signature on any treaty signed by any administration before this one?
Or that he is the only president in my lifetime to enter office while under investigation for rape?
Or that his Major Domo has publicly stated he considers empathy to be the West's greatest weakness (which is the direct polar antithesis of absolutely every word that ever came out of Yeshua's mouth)?

And for that matter, is anybody bothered by the fact that the first three on that list all fulfill the definition of treason as defined in Article III Section 3 of the Constitution?

I’m good with it. I didn’t vote for him to be a Sunday school teacher. I voted for him to stop slide towards an even more powerful and unrighteousness government that used it’s coercive force to impose abortion and sexual depravity on my children.

We had a binary choice between a nominal Christian who got Roe overturned and a woman who proudly shouted her support for inflicting some of the worst perversions imaginable on children and using police powers to force it if parents resisted. It was a regime that closed churches but kept liquor stores open. A regime that sent SWAT teams on early morning raids of pro-life protestors but bailed BLM rioters, a regime that corrupted every level of federal law enforcement and used it to take down their political enemies. It was a regime that accused pro-life veterans of being the greatest terrorist great this nation faced.

It was a regime that paid millions of dollars for drag puppet shows and sex change operations. Voting against all of that is a religious duty of Christ followers.

I’m sorry, countries leave treaties all of the time. They have clauses regulating it. Countries have to make deals with unsavory characters they don’t like all the time. Trump made it easier for my family to pursue the religion I believe in. Harris would have made it harder. There are a whole host of reasons why I enthusiastically voted for Trump but that one alone is enough.

 

[The Revolting Man]

Having set Mark on "ignore" I

Having set Mark Cyst to "ignore" due to his absolutely reptilian behavior, I have neither a clue nor a care what snarling, brimstone-riddled, adolescent drivel he typed, but if your remark is in fact a verbatim quote then it seems to be right in line with his usual hypocritical style, considering "knowing the intent of another's heart" is precisely what he does every time he speaks of any politician other than Rostov On-Donald.
As to your claim "He acknowledges the Creator of the Universe," so did Hitler, Napoleon, Mussolini, Lopez de Santa Anna, Ivan the Terrible, Vladimir Putin and every one of the Borgia Popes to name just a few of the mass murderers of whom the same can be said. For that matter, so did Genghis Khan. A villain can "acknowledge" God as easily as you or I can. That "acknowledgement" means nothing when one's actions clearly demonstrate they have nothing to do with Christ.

Meanwhile, even still, not a single person on this site has had the courage to address a single one of the seven questions I put forth, so here they are again. I'm still waiting for the time when one person can name one solid justification for one single point on this list.

I absolutely just answered those in the other thread but I’ll recap here;

First off none of these accusations are true. These are crazed , emotive rantings. Trump Derangement Syndrome is real and you have it. It’s possible that it was a mental break brought on by reading a dozen different languages. The human mind can only hold so much information and you seem to have filled yours with a world record amount of linguistics.

Trump is not a traitor, Democrats since Clinton have been. It is perfectly acceptable for countries to leave treaties. It is perfectly acceptable for presidents to realign or even leave alliances.

Trump is going to isolate Russia and get Ukraine the best deal possible. This Russian obsession of the left is psychotic. It’s Bernie who was in the Soviet’s pockets just like it was Walz who was in China’s.

Trump isn’t a religious leader. He’s a secular leader and he’s the best choice we had. I happen to think he was the best choice we’ve had since Eisenhower but even if that’s not true he was still the best choice in this election and so it was my duty as a Christian to vote for him.

He got Roe overturned. He supports religious liberty. He opposes the trans lunacy and he doesn’t want to take my guns. He’s dreamy.

 

[MemeFan]

Okay, I'm not going to bother with the rest of the comment. What we've got here is you openly acknowledge Trump is evil and you openly declare (while claiming to be a follower of Christ), that you don't care how wicked he is as long as he causes as much upheaval as possible.

If that is your view then there is little I can do but dust off my sandals in your direction and say "I don't envy you on Judgement Day when you go before the Judgement Seat thinking you're covered by Christ's blood and a Middle Easterner who never spoke a word of English in His life and would be flagged by I.C.E. as an entry risk, looks you over with a disdainful sneer and says 'you're covered with blood alright, but none of it is Mine.'"
And with that, I take my leave of this thread.

I expect politician do to politics, not pastoring or saving people. And politics is nothing more than organized violence.

 

[MemeFan]

I absolutely just answered those in the other thread but I’ll recap here;

First off none of these accusations are true. These are crazed , emotive rantings. Trump Derangement Syndrome is real and you have it. It’s possible that it was a mental break brought on by reading a dozen different languages. The human mind can only hold so much information and you seem to have filled yours with a world record amount of linguistics.

Trump is not a traitor, Democrats since Clinton have been. It is perfectly acceptable for countries to leave treaties. It is perfectly acceptable for presidents to realign or even leave alliances.

Trump is going to isolate Russia and get Ukraine the best deal possible. This Russian obsession of the left is psychotic. It’s Bernie who was in the Soviet’s pockets just like it was Walz who was in China’s.

Trump isn’t a religious leader. He’s a secular leader and he’s the best choice we had. I happen to think he was the best choice we’ve had since Eisenhower but even if that’s not true he was still the best choice in this election and so it was my duty as a Christian to vote for him.

He got Roe overturned. He supports religious liberty. He opposes the trans lunacy and he doesn’t want to take my guns. He’s dreamy.

Agree with everything except Russia-Ukraine. Won't comment anymore.

 

[paterfamilias]

And there we have it. the entire Cult of Trump is built on "he can do whatever he wants as long as he's not Biden."

The leftist projection is such a common meme because it is so pervasive and clearly pathological.

We see the constant narrative recently about the cult of orange man while vitriol and spite drip from their words and deeds. The dehumanizing behavior and excising friend and family relationships over political matters...which sounds far more like cult behavior to me. This is not a personal attack so there is no need to get bent about it but frankly in my experience with contradicting the leftists and oh boy it is extensive...I find it is safe to assume they will take it as a personal attack.
That said, anyone looking at cult behavior which boils down to tactics aimed at controlling members and isolating them from outside influences. Lots of specific manipulation methods could be listed to add nuance but that is the heart of it...that very much is the behavior of the left.
The best one could do with trump is to say cult of personality and that is not the same thing by a long chalk. Personally I don't get that aspect in that I don't find him all that likable as I am the type IRL to push back on grandiose narcissistic types and does he ever fit that profile. He is however at least on our side (it is to my mind actually about him and him having been The Guy but hey, we reap the benefits so it could be worse) and to an extent controllable via opinion pressure from his base. Not an easy proposition but certainly better than attempting to influence a pudding brained dottard who has occasional moments of lucidity when he sees a young child within potential reach.

It seems like every time a meme worthy observation about the left is making the rounds, the counter is essentially the tried and true I'm rubber and you're glue response of just hurling the same claim back with denial about the criticism being vastly more appropriate in their camp. Snowflake is one of the ones other than cult which struck me as particularly egregious. The tact though is extremely common and I know I am not the only one to have seen it given that so much of what we see on the left is just a lot of keywords fed into bot accounts and talking points for the trolls on phone banks. The constant exposure to that sort of propaganda inculcation leads me into my next and I suppose primary point.

The whole thing strikes me as social epistasis amplification and that dovetails so well into the Alinsky tactic of accuse your opponent of what you are doing...well enough to act as confirmation for me.

In re orange man himself, the first thing that occurs to me to wonder is with those who are so vehemently opposed to him and by definition in the binary solution set we had in the election, we could go forward with a deeply imperfect man and policy set or we could continue down the maladaptive road of guys filming their butt humping in congress, mentally diseased people doing their tranny chat at the NSA, more constitutional violations than would be practical to list without becoming even more tedious, actively destroying the culture of the nation (via child grooming, mass illegal migration to change electoral balances in various states while depressing wages and draining federal coffers, funding the NGOs which were implementing the previous item etc), pushing globalism which destroys the country, forced experimental medications, crushing of our industrial capacity, attack on our food systems and my own personal favorite is the mass trafficking of unaccompanied minors into slavery of some form...most likely sex slavery...we had a choice between deeply imperfect and deeply corrupt antagonistic towards the nation's health. How is this a debate between the two? Besides the nonsensical anti orange man rage that points with neon arrows to my earlier theory.
So...even if I disagree with Trump on lots of policies and boy oh by do I, being an actual right wingers as opposed to a 90s business dem who is simply carrying out the same policies both Clintons and Pelosi et all espoused back then, he is still an immeasurably better choice than the alternative we were presented.


Lots to wade though I realize, especially with my poorly executed and rambling Victorian style of sentence structure but it is how I speak in person so it is what I have to offer.