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Slow Genocide Of 120,000 Armenian Christians Happening Under Azerbaijan Occupation: Report | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
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Armenia is so desperate for assistance that they try to work with both Russia and the USA - Russian peacekeepers are supposed to be controlling this area following the recent war, while Armenia is also planning joint military exercises with the USA. But for various political reasons neither the US nor Russia are willing to actually put boots on the ground to oppose Azerbaijan and save the people of Artsakh. Armenia has acquaintances everywhere, but no true allies.

This is a shocking situation. The oldest Christian nation in the world continues to be squeezed out of existence, and Christians slaughtered by Muslims.
 
To illustrate how they're grasping for any possible help they could get from anywhere:
Khandanyan chairs the parliamentary Committee on Protection of Human Rights and Public Affairs. Speaking during a briefing, he reiterated the government’s criticism of the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO), claiming it was failing his country. Armenia is a member of the group alongside Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Russia, and Tajikistan.

Earlier this week, the Armenian Defense Ministry announced a joint military exercise with the US. The ‘Eagle Partner 2023’ drills will be held in Armenia later this month “in the framework of preparation for participation in international peacekeeping missions,” the ministry stated.

Yerevan has repeatedly complained that it has not benefited from CSTO membership during its decades-old standoff with Azerbaijan. The US has offered itself to Yerevan as a supposedly better security provider than Russia.
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www.rt.com

Armenia can’t join NATO – ruling party MP

Sargis Khandanyan, an MP from Armenia’s ruling party, has dismissed the possibility of his nation joining NATO
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The US is obviously exploring the idea of basing forces in Armenia and this is a good thing to help deter Azerbaijan and Russia from pressing further claims on Armenia.

www.reuters.com

Armenia to exercise with US troops next week in sign of frustration with Russia

The Armenian Defence Ministry said the purpose of the exercise was to prepare its forces to take part in international peacekeeping missions.
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Also relevant here:

en.wikipedia.org

Armenia–Russia relations - Wikipedia

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Impact of the Russian invasion of Ukraine​

In March 2022, after the commencement of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, over 40,000 Russian professionals and programmers fled to Yerevan. Half stayed briefly and then moved on. The rest reestablished themselves using internet connections that kept Armenia connected to the world while Russia was increasingly cut off. In addition to IT experts, the exodus included many bloggers, journalists and activists who faced arrest for criticizing the war in Ukraine. Interviews indicated that none of the exiles encountered hostility in Yerevan. They can enter Armenia without visas or passports and remain six months; Russian is widely spoken.[25]

Relations between Russia and Armenia continued to deteriorate throughout Russia's invasion of Ukraine. In February 2023, Armenia refused to return to Moscow for negotiations while the Lachin corridor was closed. Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov publicly acknowledged Azerbaijan's rationale for the 2020 aggression.[26] This escalated further as the International Criminal Court announced on 17 March 2023 that it had issued an arrest warrant for Putin. As Armenia is a signatory to the Rome Statute, Armenia would have a legal obligation to arrest Vladimir Putin should he enter Armenian territory.[27] In April 2023, Russia enacted a ban on imports of Armenian dairy products, widely seen as a retaliatory move against Armenia.[28]

On June 2, 2023, Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan stated that Armenia is not an ally of Russia in the context of the war in Ukraine.[29] On September 3, Pashinyan further stated that relying on Russia as its principal security guarantor proved to be a mistake for Armenia.[30] Three days later, the Russian government expressed concern at Armenia's intention of staging military drills with the United States, as part of Armenia's attempts to further improve defence ties with western countries.[31]
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MeganC said:
The US is obviously exploring the idea of basing forces in Armenia and this is a good thing to help deter Azerbaijan and Russia from pressing further claims on Armenia.
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I don't really care who helps them - Russia or the USA - what I care about is that they get help. If I were the president of Armenia I'd be coming straight out and saying I'd ally with whichever country would supply effective peacekeeping troops who would actually open the transit corridor to Artsakh and station troops there to prevent violence against the Christians. Russia or the USA - or anyone else for that matter (the UK, Germany, Iran, China...). See who comes through with actual effective assistance.

As far as I can see, both Russia and the USA are trying to gain control of the Caucasus through Armenia, simply because it is an important area for oil exploration and transport. They don't seem to really care about the Armenian people, and you can see that since they are only offering token support that doesn't actually solve their real, immediate and very serious security problems. Russia's peacekeepers aren't doing the job, and I can't see how some military exercises with the USA help either. They need much more than this.

The problem is Turkey. Turkey supports Azerbaijan, and both the USA and Russia are trying to woo Turkey. Turkey is simply bigger and more economically important than Armenia. So both sides would prefer to be friends with Turkey even if it means leaving Armenia to be slaughtered.
 
Aljazeera has a good 30 minute discussion on this issue, interviewing three people, one of whom is based in Azerbaijan and explains their position clearly - very interesting to understand where they are coming from. In essence, Azerbaijan sees the current transport corridor as an area that is illegally occupied by Armenia, and rejects transport through it because they don't have enough control over it - and given that Artsakh is technically Azerbaijani territory, they want to control what goes in and out. They claim that food can be taken into Artsakh, but not through that particular corridor, Azerbaijan will offer other roads in and out but they will be subject to Azerbaijani control. They say that the only reason there is hunger is because Armenia is being stubborn and refusing to cooperate. While Armenia can rightly argue that the whole issue is because Azerbaijan is being stubborn.
www.aljazeera.com

Are Armenia and Azerbaijan heading to another conflict?

Armenia and Azerbaijan have accused each other of moving troops to the border.
www.aljazeera.com www.aljazeera.com
 
That is probably a good development, but it's hard to be sure. Iran is an interesting wildcard here. They have an uneasy relationship with Turkey and Azerbaijan. Armenia gives them a narrow land route to the north outside Turkey's control (check the map, it's quite interesting), and this land route is threatened by the simmering war with Azerbaijan. That route is becoming even more important for Russia and Iran as they are working on boosting north/south trade through that region to avoid Western trade restrictions - Russia is developing a trade route down through the Caucasus and Iran to Africa, bypassing both the Bosphorus and the Suez canal. So they have strong economic and strategic reasons to protect Armenia. Whether that extends to the Armenian people in Artsakh is however another question.
 
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Keith Martin said:
Those championing one cause rarely recognize what other, more noble, causes will be drowned out in consequence.
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This would be the great benefit of a responsible and regionally influential Russia, alas we won’t have a chance at that for another generation if ever.
 
FollowingHim said:
I don't really care who helps them - Russia or the USA - what I care about is that they get help. If I were the president of Armenia I'd be coming straight out and saying I'd ally with whichever country would supply effective peacekeeping troops who would actually open the transit corridor to Artsakh and station troops there to prevent violence against the Christians. Russia or the USA - or anyone else for that matter (the UK, Germany, Iran, China...). See who comes through with actual effective assistance.

As far as I can see, both Russia and the USA are trying to gain control of the Caucasus through Armenia, simply because it is an important area for oil exploration and transport. They don't seem to really care about the Armenian people, and you can see that since they are only offering token support that doesn't actually solve their real, immediate and very serious security problems. Russia's peacekeepers aren't doing the job, and I can't see how some military exercises with the USA help either. They need much more than this.

The problem is Turkey. Turkey supports Azerbaijan, and both the USA and Russia are trying to woo Turkey. Turkey is simply bigger and more economically important than Armenia. So both sides would prefer to be friends with Turkey even if it means leaving Armenia to be slaughtered.
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Maybe Armenia should just surrender if it will save lives.
 
And after only one day of Azerbaijan's new offensive, the Armenian forces in Artsakh have surrendered. This is called a "ceasefire", but note that the terms are that they are to hand all their weapons over to Baku, so it is a surrender. Note that these forces had no actual support from the Armenian government, they were abandoned by Armenia and were on their own defending their own homes, and simply were not strong enough to hold out.
www.rt.com

Nagorno-Karabakh announces ceasefire with Azerbaijan

Azerbaijan and Nagorno-Karabakh have reached a ceasefire agreement a day after Baku launched a counter-terrorism operation in the region
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The only foreign force on the ground are Russian peacekeepers, and they do not help because Russia views this as an internal Azerbaijani matter and out of their jurisdiction. Also, Armenia is shunning Russia at present so is naturally shunned in return.
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Azerbaijan is acting ‘in its territory’ in Nagorno-Karabakh – Kremlin

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov has rejected claims that Russian peacekeepers are failing in Nagorno-Karabakh
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Pray for these Christians who have been abandoned by both Armenia and Russia, and everyone else, whose defenders have been disarmed, and are now at the mercy of a Muslim government.
 
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FollowingHim said:
Pray for these Christians who have been abandoned by both Armenia and Russia, and everyone else, whose defenders have been disarmed, and are now at the mercy of a Muslim government.
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A more or less fair article from Al Jazeera is at the end of this post.

The Russians did not exert influence in the conflict mostly because they're swamped with the Ukraine problem right now. A secondary issue is that Russia sold better equipment to Azerbaijan than it equips its own forces with. The Armenians were making do with obsolete Russian equipment that was no match for the more modern Russian equipment the Muslims have.

Azerbaijan's arguments for occupying the Armenian exclave sound remarkably like the Russian arguments for occupying Crimea: in short the exclave was a contested artifact of the USSR and modern day leadership needed to rectify this 'error' by force.

The Russians, IMHO, stayed out of the conflict because they'd set the stage for it. The Russians also depend upon the Azerbaijani Baku-Novorossiysk oil pipeline to provide fuel for Russia's Black Sea Fleet. Taking sides against Azerbaijan would have then directly impacted Russian naval operations out of Novorossiysk.

www.aljazeera.com

Russia’s role in Nagorno-Karabakh questioned after renewed clash

Azerbaijan and Armenia have reached a deal after a brief offensive in Nagorno-Karabakh. What lies ahead?
www.aljazeera.com www.aljazeera.com
 
FollowingHim said:
Interesting and concerning perspective on why this is all happening.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1701298875477192753
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@MeganC, I just remembered your computer blocks links to Twitter, so I'll quote that link here as you'll find it informative.
One final thought on the Armenia/Karabakh question: a huge percentage of the Armenian people, perhaps the majority, has no desire to defend Karabakh and fight for it. They wished for someone who would rid them of this troublesome problem. They have found this someone: Pashinyan. They wanted a politician who'd sell out the Armenians in Karabakh, but in a way that wouldn't make the Armenians in Armenia feel bad about it. That is, he would need to create a false narrative in which it's actually Russia's fault. The imaginary “Russian support of Azerbaijan” has been the key political myth in Armenia (and even more so in the diaspora) in recent years. Armenia is a democracy. They elected a person who would save them from the Karabakh problem. They reelected him after he shamefully lost a war that they had 30 years to prepare for (& didn't dig a single trench). If the people of Armenia were opposed to Pashinyan, they would throw him out. They haven't and won't. Because he is this savior they've been waiting for. Pashinyan will surrender Karabakh to the Azeris. He will do it in such a way that he can blame it on “the evil Russians who stabbed us in the back”. He will do exactly what he was elected to do: to get rid of Karabakh, and save the Armenians in Armenia from the guilt of having betrayed their countrymen. Currently, the Armenian government & society are working much harder on building a narrative that would explain why it is Moscow's fault that the entire population of Artsakh was raped, tortured and killed with farm instruments than they're working on their military readiness. They don't want Russia or Iran to protect Karabakh. They don't want to protect Karabakh themselves. They just want a moral excuse for their betrayal of their fellow Armenians. It's a pity, because the people of Artsakh are very brave, and they are ready to fight and die for their land. But Russia cannot help them if Armenia doesn't want to. From the point of view of geostrategic logic, the only thing that matters to Russia in Armenia right now is the Zangezur corridor that connects to Iran. Russian diplomatic efforts saved Armenia from a complete military catastrophe in 2020. Russian peacekeepers made sure that at least a part of Artsakh would remain Armenian. But Russia simply cannot commit to the protection of Artsakh if the Armenian state isn't committed to it. The Armenian state hopes that it can sell out its countrymen as Danegeld to the Azeris and keep limping along, perhaps on Western life support. This is wishful thinking, of course. But it's what they've decided. You can't save people against their will. Thus, Russia shouldn't get involved at all, unless to safeguard its own direct interests.
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It sounds like the actual residents of the area do want to fight, but having been politically separated from Armenia proper for so long the rest of Armenia feels no compulsion to support them. They DID in the 1991 war (or whenever it was), but have become sick of the problem and no longer care enough about their brothers.
 
Confirming the idea that the president of Armenia has intentionally thrown away this region by choice:
Instead of adhering to the Russian-brokered deal, Pashinyan turned to the West and recognized Azerbaijan’s sovereignty over the disputed region during talks in Prague and Brussels.
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Now, admittedly that is from RT, however in my experience RT tends to slant things towards Russia through selective reporting, not by lying - they'll share the things that are positive for Russia and not mention the things that are negative, but each detail they do share is generally accurate. So it sounds like Pashinyan deliberately handed this region to Azerbaijan as part of talks with the West, and this was despite Russia offering them a pathway that would preserve this region in some form.

This whole thing stinks to high heaven.
www.rt.com

Armenian leader ‘making huge mistake’ – Moscow

Turning away from Russia and seeking aid from the West will only hurt Armenia, the Russian Foreign Ministry has warned
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