Same here.
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Noahide laws - a dangerous deception
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Same here.
We have discussed this elsewhere, and I also have a friend who has pointed me to a great deal of information related to both the Noahide Laws and the Talmud. It always makes me wonder how Hebrew Roots folks resolve their view of Yeshua as their Messiah and the views of the Rambam, the Talmud and the Noahide Laws regarding considering Yeshua to be boiling in human sh** in Sheol. I do not yearn to argue about it; I just wonder, so, other than claiming that the Talmud was referring to some other Jesus, I'll always welcome reading anyone's justification for this. Personally, I tend to equate those who would tolerate such views about Christ being official doctrine and those who would tolerate considering all Jews to be Dirty because "Jews killed our Savior."
We of necessity hold the Talmud in deep suspicion. The later it’s individual writings are from the time of Christ the more suspicion we have to them in.
The Talmud has some worth and some context and even some truth but it needs to be reserved for the very mature scholar, one who is rock solid in his faith.
Another comment on these laws (which I had never heard of until I saw this topic):
https://www.chabad.org/library/arti...ish/The-7-Noahide-Laws-Universal-Morality.htm
https://www.chabad.org/library/arti...ish/The-7-Noahide-Laws-Universal-Morality.htm
When did the last such beheading take place? Seems to me the Jews have all moved past this or else we'd be hearing about the beheadings in Israel all the time.
Meanwhile the Muslims actually do behead people, burn them alive, slash their throats, throw them from buildings, stone them, hang them with tow trucks, strangle them, beat their wives to death, kill their daughters in despicable honor killings, and etc.
Pardon me if I'm much more worried about the evils of islam than I am about the unenforced Noahide laws.
Do Muslims dominate the global banking system? Do they control Hollywood and the motion picture, television, and music industries? Do they control the tech and social media corporations? Do they dominate the education system? Are Muslims 2% of the American population but half the billionaires? Did Islam introduce and promote Marxism, feminism, sodomy, and usury to the West?
I can't blame the J's for all those things either, but they are certainly disproportionately represented in all of the above.
I am concerned about Islam, but I am more concerned about the rot inside of Western culture. That rot comes largely from atheists (be they Western or Jewish atheists). A large percentage of the evil oligarchs seem to be secular Jews.
I appreciate real Torah Jews, even though they haven't recognized the Messiah yet. God's Law is altogether good.
These Talmud guys are another matter. I'm pretty sure the Talmud is evil.
It does appear that the Noahide Laws change somewhat significantly depending on who is doing commentary on them or dissecting them theologically, because one of the two I've seen cited as condemning Christ and His followers (prohibition against idolatry) is reworded in the chabad.org take on the matter as being a requirement to refrain from disdaining God's Oneness, which is something my reading of Scripture does not demonstrate Christ ever did.
I can't imagine, however, that there wouldn't be varying opinions within Judaism about how they should handle (react to) the existence of Jesus Christ.
Amen, my sister!
This echoes another discussion we've had about the requirement of stoning to death for various violations of the Torah dictates. Judaism has apparently moved on (been released?) from such harsh penalties as stoning (and beheading).
Back about 20 years ago, I worked in a quality assurance lab for a food processing company. The products we manufactured were certified as kosher by a group of orthodox rabbis.
Certain times of year we had a lot of rabbis hanging out in the plant (kosherizing our equipment). Sometimes they would get bored and hang out with us in the lab. I had some interesting conversations with one of the younger and more friendly rabbis.
Keep in mind that this is in a small town in rural Western USA. We don't really have many Jewish people around here (especially the ultra Orthodox New York City type with ten plus kids each), so the rabbis were always a bit of a novelty.
This young rabbi mentioned the Noahide laws to me. That was the first time I had heard of them, and I didn't think anything negative about it at the time. I know God made a covenant with Noah in Genesis, and that God commanded certain things of Noah and his descendants.
Speaking of the rabbis,
They had some sort of special sabbath exemption allowing them to work (kosherizing) on Saturdays (factory ran 24/7 during harvest season).
Their sabbath exemption allowed them to work, but they could not drive a car, or turn on light switches on Saturdays (kindle a fire). As a result, we always had to make sure to not turn off the bathroom light on Saturday. They were allowed to use the light, but could not turn it on, or ask anyone to turn it on. Likewise, they could ride in a car with us, but not ask us for a ride.
The rabbis would also set up booths/tents/shacks (on the grounds of the factory) for the festival of booths.
They were only allowed to walk a certain distance (on sabbath), so they had to stay in a motel within that range of our plant.
One night (apparently Friday) I was on graveyard shift, and was rushing to work when I drove right by the black clothed rabbis walking to the plant, in the darkness . I didn't notice until I was right next to them. It was frightening, how close I was to hitting them without realizing.
That night, I hoped the rabbis didn't know which car I drove, or notice that I almost ran over them.
Walking at night on the side of an unlit road wearing all black is a little hazardous.
Certain times of year we had a lot of rabbis hanging out in the plant (kosherizing our equipment). Sometimes they would get bored and hang out with us in the lab. I had some interesting conversations with one of the younger and more friendly rabbis.
Keep in mind that this is in a small town in rural Western USA. We don't really have many Jewish people around here (especially the ultra Orthodox New York City type with ten plus kids each), so the rabbis were always a bit of a novelty.
This young rabbi mentioned the Noahide laws to me. That was the first time I had heard of them, and I didn't think anything negative about it at the time. I know God made a covenant with Noah in Genesis, and that God commanded certain things of Noah and his descendants.
Speaking of the rabbis,
They had some sort of special sabbath exemption allowing them to work (kosherizing) on Saturdays (factory ran 24/7 during harvest season).
Their sabbath exemption allowed them to work, but they could not drive a car, or turn on light switches on Saturdays (kindle a fire). As a result, we always had to make sure to not turn off the bathroom light on Saturday. They were allowed to use the light, but could not turn it on, or ask anyone to turn it on. Likewise, they could ride in a car with us, but not ask us for a ride.
The rabbis would also set up booths/tents/shacks (on the grounds of the factory) for the festival of booths.
They were only allowed to walk a certain distance (on sabbath), so they had to stay in a motel within that range of our plant.
One night (apparently Friday) I was on graveyard shift, and was rushing to work when I drove right by the black clothed rabbis walking to the plant, in the darkness . I didn't notice until I was right next to them. It was frightening, how close I was to hitting them without realizing.
That night, I hoped the rabbis didn't know which car I drove, or notice that I almost ran over them.
Walking at night on the side of an unlit road wearing all black is a little hazardous.
Christians are the reason the Jewish people historically dominated banking, entertainment, and education.
When the Catholics and then the Protestants prohibited Christians from charging interest on loans the Jews became convenient proxies. Christians would deposit their money with the Jewish bankers who would then be the ones charging interest on the money loaned. The importance of the Jewish bankers was magnified with the advent of organized trade commencing with the Hanseatic League in the 1100's. Again, the Jewish bankers were able to manage money at an international level and avoid the religious prohibitions imposed on Christians.
The Catholic and Protestant churches viewed entertainment such as plays and much music as forms of deception and prostitution and Christians were adamantly discouraged from these pursuits. The Jewish people who acted in these professions obtained a social acceptance that was otherwise prohibited to them and thus they've enjoyed more than a millennium of dominance in the arts. Many apparently Christian performers today are actually from Jewish roots and their families at some point in the past changed their names and hid their Jewish identity.
In the realm of education the Catholic Church in particular has a bloody history of slaughtering academics as heretics when their discoveries or theses were in conflict with the vast ignorance of the Catholic Church. The Protestants were not much better and invested themselves into murdering people for witchcraft when they were conducting legitimate medical and particularly chemical research. The Jews again were exempted from the strictures enforced upon Christians and in a reverse of the trend I noted with entertainers it was sometimes the case that a Christian researcher presented themselves as Jewish in order to pursue their research without some retard murdering them.
The Jewish people dominate these disciplines due to a long history of Christians wanting them to do it.
In the United States it was well into the period of the Civil War before it was socially acceptable for Christians to get involved in finance. Even then the key financiers of the period were either Jewish or they were Jewish and posing as Christians for social reasons.
The Rothschild family is an interesting hybrid of a family and a corporation. Their banking interests date back to at least the early 1500's and they've maintained secrecy about their holdings for more than 500 years. Some estimates of their collective wealth are as much as $30 trillion US dollars. A fair amount of the US debt is held by this family.
The 1913 Federal Reserve Act made them even wealthier and who passed that law so the US could have even easier access to Jewish credit? Who passed this law? Christians did.
Do culturally but unobservant Jewish men seem to show up with an alarming frequency in the media as perverts and degenerates? Absolutely. But mostly because they're famous for something else before they were caught being perverts.
No one would care about Jeffery Epstein (who didn't kill himself) or Harvey Weinstein if they weren't already famous for finance and entertainment success.
The last century was utterly dominated by Jewish people who advanced every known aspect of human knowledge. Medicine, physics, chemistry, engineering, metallurgy, art, education, communications, electronics, firearms, even the design of many of the fonts you use every day were created by Jews.
That's enough about the Jews.
Let's talk about the "Christians" who defy Scripture and have a near insatiable appetite for debt. Debt is a way of life for most Americans and who gets the interest payments on all that debt? Hmmm?
Who buys all the porn? I quit a Christian site when the women started discussing Fifty Shades of Grey and were breathlessly waiting for the next installment of that smut.
If there were not a market for smut and debt and drugs and rot and filth there would not be people selling it to them.
Don't worry about the Jews. Go talk the person you see in the mirror and then tell him to start acting like a real Christian.
I love the way Jeffrey Epstein now has the middle name "didn't kill himself". 
You do raise some good points. A lot of Jews are in the business of selling filth, scams, and debt, but they can only do so because Christians lap it up. It is a symbiotic relationship of sin.
Bernie Madoff, made off with the money of greedy people who really knew better than to invest with him.
There is plenty of blame to go around. Muslims, Christians, and Jews all dishonor God continuously. I'm included in that. I can't change the Muslims, Jews, or other Christians. I can work on honoring God in my own life.
You do raise some good points. A lot of Jews are in the business of selling filth, scams, and debt, but they can only do so because Christians lap it up. It is a symbiotic relationship of sin.
Bernie Madoff, made off with the money of greedy people who really knew better than to invest with him.
There is plenty of blame to go around. Muslims, Christians, and Jews all dishonor God continuously. I'm included in that. I can't change the Muslims, Jews, or other Christians. I can work on honoring God in my own life.
You don't need to worry about the Muslims. They are only a threat because the West has turned into a bunch of godless weaklings.
Talk to the woman in the mirror, and tell her to keep working on making her own people stronger and helping her husband build up his household and tribe.
You are clearly doing a great job of that, so I commend you for your work as a wife and mother. Keep up the good work.
The thing is, the production of electricity has to be monitored by someone, so even using it requires someone to be working on Shabbat.
The only way to obey down to the last degree is to turn the power off at the fuse box, or create an off grid, passive, generating/storage electrical system.
I'm not saying their application of Torah was correct, just interesting.
It was just an observation, I’m not judging what you wrote.
Understood, good observation
And yet you didn’t answer her question. When was the last time a Jew beheaded any one?
I could have this wrong, but I believe the actual answer is the year 66AD, when Jewish leader Eleazar ben Hanania reputedly had 6000 Roman soldiers beheaded. Witnessing that was probably something that inhibited Jews from any future consideration of using such a punishment. I could find no other Jewish examples since 66, so, depending on which calendar system we choose to believe, it has been anywhere from 1300 to nearly 2 millennia since a Jew beheaded anyone.
Only four countries in the world (Saudi Arabia, Iran, Qatar and Yemen) still permit beheading as a legitimate execution, but no governmental instances of its use have ever been recorded in Qatar or Yemen.
England outlawed beheading in 1747, and it has never been officially permitted in the United States. France abolished beheading in 1792, but only because it was replaced by mechanical beheading (the guillotine). Scandinavian countries used beheading as their primary form of capital punishment until the very early 20th Century, and Germany didn't abolish it until 1938 (perhaps because they were more interested in experimenting on those they considered unworthy of life).
@MeganC points to the Roman Church as providing the impetus to encourage Jews to engage in behaviors that were prohibited to members of their church. Beheading -- as well as usury, banking in general, all forms of entertainment -- was farmed out to others to execute by the Roman Church (just read up on the history of the Crusades, if you doubt this), because it was to their benefit (power and money) to create an enemy to use as a foil. Thus, the Christians have been guilty of turning a blind eye to many instances of Muslims using brutal execution methods when the Big Christian Churches could have intervened (much, by the way, like what even Martin Luther did when he refused to condemn the outrageous burning at the stake of Anabaptist leader Balthasar Hubmaier in 1528). The tactic is a form of gaslighting most accurately labeled by Freud as projection: dishonestly assign to one's enemies detestable behaviors that are actually most commonly associated with oneself. (I'll stop myself here before heading down the rabbit hole of introducing a full-throated condemnation of the English translations of Scripture based on the purposeful misinterpretations commissioned by the Roman [Latin Vulgate] and Anglican Churches [King James Version], but to accept without question the many deviations from original manuscripts is to subject oneself to implementing the agendas of nefarious 'Christian' organizations instead of seeking a pure understanding of God's Word.)