Right. Women having casual sex are already prostitutes they're just doing it for free.
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Sorry, I don’t care how much I need sexual satisfaction, why on earth would would I want to put myself in someone that has been with 500 other men.
No thanks. The mere thought makes me nauseous. I’d rather go without.
I want pure women or as close as practicable.
Of course. I wouldn't do it either. But for those who are of a mind to be promiscuous, and are married, that's the logic that causes them to choose to use a prostitute.
Because there are women who like to be "stuffed" with different men. Remember, who is supplying men enjoying casual sex? Well, there must be women enjoying casual sex.
Another good reason not to use a prostitute - you'll have to use a condom. And as Mark Gungor says, having sex with a condom is like eating an icecream with a sock on your tongue.
You've tried eating ice cream with a sock on your tongue?? **shakes head in disbelief**
Well there's a mental picture that I did not need
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Slavery has been going on since before we will have become modern humans much less before recorded history. It still goes on today. It is going on all over the world and certainly is going on in America today with all of the trafficking of children over the border with the assistance of our government. I suppose that our government is creating a "safe space" (hate that simpering manipulative phrase) for human enslavement. So, clearly it is not so bad if it never went away, it is on all contenents and our money and controllers are instrumental to its expansion...clearly we should get behind and rah rah slavery...right? Should be an even bigger benefit that there is such a big overlap between slavery and prostitution now that we are all on board with both of them right?
I suspect you get my hyperbolic rhetorical point that legalizing ie endorsing prostitution is pure D grade A immoral chuckleshit cope. He wants to screw hookers. We get it. So he is going to wrap himself in a twisted logic to relieve himself of the justifiable revulsion he should feel with himself for this desire.
Not remotely harsh enough. Not bloody remotely...though, I will admit that coming from a woman...the criticism would likely not have the desired effect.
Don't know the guy obviously but he sounds like he needs his thinking and mindset checked by men who would call him on his beta (I hate using these terms as it is normally used by douchebag types doing bravado chest thumping but I am talking about evolutionary biologist John Maynard Smith's take on the opportunistic mating strategy of sneaking in where otherwise unwelvom while woman are unprotected or as in this case trading resources for sexual access) behaviors and encourage him to embrace masculinity far more strongly. So far I am not imagining this as particularly masculine behavior.
On a personal level I would also advocate for polygamy very strongly. I dislike discussing the more private aspects of polygamy but it is not exactly a secret that many men who engage in polygamy will have strong libidos...the fortunate thing is that it is also a system where a man is of necessity required to focus all of his energies inwards toward the family. I know it certain was life changing for me.
In the end though I think the guy is just justifying using strange anonymous woman as a convenience.
Who remembers the article(s) from a few years ago about how after Germany legalized whoring, that an unemployed woman on unemployment benefits lost her benefits when she said not to a now under the new rules "valid" offer of employment by a brothel? Apparently they found her seeking work profile on some site and initiated contact. The government sees it as a valid offer of employment and disallowed the ability to say no to being a hooker without loosing the benefits which were presumably just enough to make do.
I will have to look it up and see how it was resolved. I did discuss it with a friend in Germany and he expressed surprise at my surprise. Said that it happens all the time.
Disgusting
I think some nations will fine or imprison women for prostituting themselves. I would want that legalized (or I suppose decriminalized), I don't think they should be punished anymore than they already are.
The problem I see is that as long as it is legal to make pornography, prostitution is legal.
The problem I see is that as long as it is legal to make pornography, prostitution is legal.
From most people's perspective in here, I am the outlier unbeliever...that said you will have to forgive my blunt bordering on harsh commentary.
Their boo frickety hoo but Christians (as the default villains in most without faiths false narrative) are judging me and my degenerate hedonistic and immoral lives claim is just more excuses.
They know what is wrong and what is moral. What they don't as a rule have much of is pushback on their failure to ever move past teenage rebellious behavior. We are all way too focused or by my lights gaslit into tolerance.
We tolerate bad behavior because we don't wish to be perceived as judging or being intolerant.
No thanks.
I would vastly prefer to call them on their immorality. To eschew tolerance for killing kids, predation on woman, inculcation of the culture with more and more false narratives which result in atomization and run away individualism.
More asses should be chewed by people with decent morals
I am similar to @FollowingHim in the respect that I don't have any contact with the world of prostitution.
I did get a story from my younger brother when he was towards the end of his senior year in high-school. The story was that there were a couple of girls who hung around his friend group of mainly guys. Apparently both of them were inordinately fond of Copenhagen snuff...an odd enough trait in young girls to start... and that when one of them did not have the money to feed her snuff habit, she offered a particular sexual favor for a can of Copenhagen. Apparently it was so well received that her friend joined in the party at the same exchange rate.
I was hit with some extreme cognitive dissonance as you can imagine. Just bloody dumbstruck at the idea that it would happen much less be instigated by a teenage girl.
I put Very pointed questions to my little brother about his participation in this service. He denied it vehemently...I suppose he was truthful as he expressed a fairly high ick factor. Likely not as high as I would have had at 17 but enough to make me have some faith in.
I look back on it now and feel shame that I did not go to the girls parents to attempt to put a stop to the behavior. For a long time I made excuses to myself thst it was none of my business and I was only 20 so still stupid and frankly spineless to have had those unpleasant conversations. Lame excuse.
I have no clue how common of a story this sort of thing might be. I imagine that the majority of woman on the game got there via addiction, desperation. abuse and sex slavery. There are apparently some though that just see it as a bit of a leg up or shortcut...or? I am not sure how to put myself into that frame of mind to be able to understand engaging in and initiating sex acts for trivial things like snuff...not feeding and housing children. Desperation I could at least understand.
Rights arguments are are just blather.
Legally it is just a fiction. We have legal privileges. If a legal right existed then they could not be altered. Our supposed rights are infringed and altered or outright trashed constantly.
They are simply making excuses and trying to convince themselves as much as you that their desire to have woman seen as commodities can be justified
That is dead bang accurate.
Gosh...I wonder why with the world going to hell in a hand-basket, why some woman might think a part interest in a family focused and marriage minded man might not be quite so bad given the alternatives.
Let's see...guy that wants loads of kids, believes in traditional sexual roles, who is willing to lead...is so enthralled by the idea of marriage and commitment that he is willing to double down or triple down. Men who are cheering for turbo marriage...extended dance remix marriage...new and improved formula marriage with an extra 50% at the same old price marriage. Marriage with bonus best pals in every box.
My silliness aside, I have to assume that the woman who have been exposed to the concept and thought just a bit about the benefits and seen all of the men who are not wanting kids but super cool with stacking up the body count with woman...they have got to be seeing plyg-life as a more viable option every day.
Ack!Well there's a mental picture that I did not need
What the hell
This is a logically sound statement.
There is not that big of a moral step down between expecting a female to put out on a date after plying her with a meal, and a can of Copenhagen.
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I’m not justifying anything, just pointing out that there is not a huge difference between prostitution and things that we might turn a blind eye to going on around us.
Both true enough.
I was and remain somewhat shocked at the stark and mater of fact exchange being proffered by a teenage girl in an affluent suburb...and this is way before the extreme pornification of the culture and things like only onlyfans etc.
Hope it is an outlier circumstance but I fear I may be somewhat optimistic in this one area
So...prostitution has a definition:
What's important to note here is that prostitution is an act that can occur once or multiple times.
I will be throwing stones in my glass house as I go along here. Just saying this so no one else has to.
Definitions 1 and 3 do not require a criminal offense as a condition to satisfy the act.
That said a woman who is a trophy wife who marries a man because he is wealthy can arguably be considered a prostitute. A woman who marries a man in exchange for a home and security could also meet this definition.
Granted, she gets to call herself a wife but aside from only having one steady customer is her motivation any different from the women who sell themselves on the street?
She is trading on her body and sexual talents for personal gain. Money even.
I say this as what matters is what is in the woman's heart. As women we have to sort out our motivations and ensure that our actions and major life decisions are both right and done for the right reasons.
I will plead guilty that I fall short of my own measure. I'm trying to do better now but when I married Steve it was more about what I wanted from the relationship and situation than anything to do with what I wanted to do for Steve.
I made the right decision for all the wrong reasons.
I guess this is why I often say that the title of concubine was much more fitting for me in the early years of my marriage. I grew over time to become a wife but at the start? I was a prostitute with one customer.
What's important to note here is that prostitution is an act that can occur once or multiple times.
I will be throwing stones in my glass house as I go along here. Just saying this so no one else has to.
Definitions 1 and 3 do not require a criminal offense as a condition to satisfy the act.
That said a woman who is a trophy wife who marries a man because he is wealthy can arguably be considered a prostitute. A woman who marries a man in exchange for a home and security could also meet this definition.
Granted, she gets to call herself a wife but aside from only having one steady customer is her motivation any different from the women who sell themselves on the street?
She is trading on her body and sexual talents for personal gain. Money even.
I say this as what matters is what is in the woman's heart. As women we have to sort out our motivations and ensure that our actions and major life decisions are both right and done for the right reasons.
I will plead guilty that I fall short of my own measure. I'm trying to do better now but when I married Steve it was more about what I wanted from the relationship and situation than anything to do with what I wanted to do for Steve.
I made the right decision for all the wrong reasons.
I guess this is why I often say that the title of concubine was much more fitting for me in the early years of my marriage. I grew over time to become a wife but at the start? I was a prostitute with one customer.
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And for me as well. All of my focus and energy is on loving and taking care of two women. I don’t have time for much else. How do the guys with 3 or more do it.
In both countries I travel between I know of nurses who paid for their studies by doing 'tricks'. It's pure economics and meant they didn't have serious debt problems once their studies were completed. For some of them, offering 'extra services' means there is food to eat for several days and they don't go hungry. This is the sad reality for more people than you would think in both NZ and the Philippines, and one which is becoming increasingly common.
I do remember.
Exactly. I wanted to clarify in my post that we were talking about the US only. I know in other areas of the world prostitution can be an absolute necessity for some women, sadly.