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The Early Foundations Of Feminism

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These are actual quotes from a variety of mainstream feminists, stating their opinions and positions. Many of the women quoted are considered pioneers of the feminist movement. The one common denominator is the obvious and blatant hatred of men. No reputable Father's Rights advocate could get away with making statements such as these- any man daring to say these kinds of things about women would instantly be branded a "gender-supremacist".

"In a patriarchal society all heterosexual intercourse is rape because women, as a group, are not strong enough to give meaningful consent." Catherine MacKinnon in Professing Feminism: Cautionary Tales from the Strange World of Women's Studies, p. 129..

"I claim that rape exists any time sexual intercourse occurs when it has not been initiated by the woman, out of her own genuine affection and desire." From Robin Morgan, "Theory and Practice: Pornography and Rape" in "Going too Far," 1974. .

"When a woman reaches orgasm with a man she is only collaborating with the patriarchal system, eroticizing her own oppression..." Sheila Jeffrys .

"Heterosexual intercourse is the pure, formalized expression of contempt for women's bodies." Andrea Dworkin

"Sex is the cross on which women are crucified ... Sex can only be adequately defined as universal rape." Hodee Edwards, ‘Rape defines Sex’

"Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat." Hillary Clinton, First Ladies' Conference on Domestic Violence in San Salvador, El Salvador on Nov. 17, 1998

"MAN: ... an obsolete life form... an ordinary creature who needs to be watched ... a contradictory baby-man ..."
"TESTOSTERONE POISONING: ... 'Until now it has been though that the level of testosterone in men is normal simply because they have it. But if you consider how abnormal their behavior is, then you are led to the hypothesis that almost all men are suffering from 'testosterone poisoning.'" from A Feminist Dictionary", ed. Kramarae and Treichler, Pandora Press, 1985

"Patriarchy requires violence or the subliminal threat of violence in order to maintain itself... The most dangerous situation for a woman is not an unknown man in the street, or even the enemy in wartime, but a husband or lover in the isolation of their home." Gloria Steinem in Revolution from Within: A Book of Self-Esteem, pp. 259-61..

"Women take their roles of caretakers very seriously and when they hear of someone who's taken advantage of a child, they react more strongly than men do." - Kathleen C. Faller, professor of social work at the University of Michigan

"I believe that women have a capacity for understanding and compassion which a man structurally does not have, does not have it because he cannot have it. He's just incapable of it." - Former Congresswoman Barbara Jordan

Melbourne City Councilwoman Pat Poole announced her opposition to renaming a street for Martin Luther King: "I wonder if he really accomplished things, or if he just stirred people up and caused a lot of riots."

"Our culture is depicting sex as rape so that men and women will become interested in it." Naomi Wolf, The Beauty Myth, p. 138..

"Under patriarchy, no woman is safe to live her life, or to love, or to mother children. Under patriarchy, every woman is a victim, past, present, and future. Under patriarchy, every woman's daughter is a victim, past, present, and future. Under patriarchy, every woman's son is her potential betrayer and also the inevitable rapist or exploiter of another woman," Andrea Dworkin, Liberty, p.58..

"Compare victims' reports of rape with women's reports of sex. They look a lot alike....[T]he major distinction between intercourse (normal) and rape (abnormal) is that the normal happens so often that one cannot get anyone to see anything wrong with it." Catherine MacKinnon, quoted in Christina Hoff Sommers, "Hard-Line Feminists Guilty of Ms.-Representation," Wall Street Journal, November 7, 1991.

"The fact is that the process of killing - both rape and battery are steps in that process- is the prime sexual act for men in reality and/or in imagination.". Andrea Dworkin, Letters from a War Zone, p. 22..

"Man's discovery that his genitalia could serve as a weapon to generate fear must rank as one of the most important discoveries of prehistoric times, along with the use of fire, and the first crude stone axe." Susan Brownmiller, Against Our Will: Men, Women, and Rape, p. 5..

"The newest variations on this distressingly ancient theme center on hormones and DNA: men are biologically aggressive; their fetal brains were awash in androgen; their DNA, in order to perpetuate itself, hurls them into murder and rape." Andrea Dworkin, Letters from a War Zone, p. 114..

When asked: "You [Greer] were once quoted as saying your idea of the ideal man is a woman with a dick. Are you still that way inclined?"
Dr Greer (denying that she said it): "I have a great deal of difficulty with the idea of the ideal man. As far as I'm concerned, men are the product of a damanged gene. They pretend to be normal but what they're doing sitting there with benign smiles on their faces is they're manufacturing sperm. They do it all the time. They never stop. I mean, we women are more reasonable. We pop one follicle every 28 days, whereas they are producing 400 million sperm for each ejaculation, most of which don't take place anywhere near an ovum. I don't know that the ecosphere can tolerate it." Germaine Greer, at a Hilton Hotel literary lunch, promoting her book #34; The Change-- Women, Aging and the Menopause#34; . From a newsreport dated 14/11/91

"One can know everything and still be unable to accept the fact that sex and murder are fused in the male consciousness, so that the one without the imminent possibly of the other is unthinkable and impossible." Andrea Dworkin, Letters from a War Zone, p. 21..

"Cosmetic surgery and the ideology of self-improvement may have made women's hope for legal recourse to justice obsolete." Naomi Wolf, The Beauty Myth, p. 55..

"Sex as desired by the class that dominates women is held by that class to be elemental, urgent, necessary, even if or even though it appears to require the repudiation of any claim women might have to full human standing. In the subordination of women, inequality itself is sexualized, made into the experience of sexual pleasure, essential to sexual desire." Andrea Dworkin, Letters from a War Zone, p. 265..

"AIDS education will not get very far until young men are taught how not to rape young women and how to eroticize trust and consent; and until young women are supported in the way they need to be redefining their desires." Naomi Wolf, The Beauty Myth, p. 168..

"In everything men make, they hollow out a central place for death, let its rancid smell contaminate every dimension of whatever still survives. Men especially love murder. In art they celebrate it, and in life they commit it. They embrace murder as if life without it would be devoid of passion, meaning, and action, as if murder were solace, still their sobs as they mourn the empitness and alienation of their lives." Andrea Dworkin, Letters from a War Zone, p. 214..

"One of the reasons that women are kept in a state of economic degradation- because that's what it is for most women- is because that is the best way to keep women sexually available." Andrea Dworkin, Letters from a War Zone, p. 145..

"Romance is rape embellished with meaningful looks." Andrea Dworkin in the Philadelphia Inquirer, May 21, 1995..

"Ninety-five percent of women's experiences are about being a victim. Or about being an underdog, or having to survive...women didn't go to Vietnam and blow up things up. They are not Rambo." Jodie Foster in The New York Times Magazine, January 6, 1991, p. 19..

"All men are rapists and that's all they are." Marilyn French in People, February 20, 1983..

"All men benefit from rape, because all men benefit from the fact that women are not free in this society; that women cower; that women are afraid; that women cannot assert the rights that we have, limited as those rights are, because of the ubiquitous presence of rape." Andrea Dworkin, Letters from a War Zone, p. 142..

"Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometime gain from the experience." Catherine Comins, Vassar College Assistant Dean of Student Life in Time, June 3, 1991, p. 52..

"We have long known that rape has been a way of terrorizing us and keeping us in subjection. Now we also know that we have participated, although unwittingly, in the rape of our minds." Historian Gerda Lerner in Who Stole Feminism: How Women Have Betrayed Women, p. 55..

"Only with the occasional celebrity crime do we allow ourselves to think the nearly unthinkable: that the family may not be the ideal and perfect living arrangement after all - that it can be a nest of pathology and a cradle of gruesome violence,... Even in the ostensibly "functional," nonviolent family, where no one is killed or maimed, feelings are routinely bruised and often twisted out of shape. There is the slap or the put-down that violates a child's shaky sense of self, the cold, distracted stare that drives a spouse to tears, the little digs and rivalries... Barbara Ehrenreich in Time Magazine

"The nuclear family is a hotbed of violence and depravity." Gordon Fitch

"How will the family unit be destroyed? ...[T]he demand alone will throw the whole ideology of the family into question, so that women can begin establishing a community of work with each other and we can fight collectively. Women will feel freer to leave their husbands and become economically independent, either through a job or welfare." Roxanne Dunbar in Female Liberation

"Feminists have long criticized marriage as a place of oppression, danger, and drudgery for women. Barbara Findlen, "Is Marriage the Answer? Ms Magazine, May - June, 1995

"We can't destroy the inequities between men and women until we destroy marriage. Robin Morgan, from Sisterhood Is Powerful (ed), 1970, p. 537

"Marriage as an institution developed from rape as a practice. Rape, originally defined as abduction, became marriage by capture. Marriage meant the taking was to extend in time, to be not only use of but possession of, or ownership. Only when manhood is dead--and it will perish when ravaged femininity no longer sustains it" Andrea Dworkin

"The cultural institutions which embody and enforce those interlocked aberrations--for instance, law, art, religion, nation-states, the family, tribe, or commune based on father-right--these institutions are real and they must be destroyed." Andrea Dworkin

"I was struck by what a beneficial alternative to the nuclear family this arrangement [communal housing and child raising] was for these women and children." Lenore Walker, after visiting one of the early shelters for battered women, as cited in The Battered Woman, p.195

"The nuclear family must be destroyed, and people must find better ways of living together.... Whatever its ultimate meaning, the break-up of families now is an objectively revolutionary process.... No woman should have to deny herself any opportunities because of her special responsibilities to her children... Families will be finally destroyed only when a revolutionary social and economic organization permits people's needs for love and security to be met in ways that do not impose divisions of labor, or any external roles, at all." Linda Gordon, "Functions of the Family," WOMEN: A Journal of Liberation, Fall, 1969

"God is going to change. We women... will change the world so much that He won't fit anymore." Naomi Goldenberg, Changing of the Gods: Feminism and the End of Traditional Religions (Quoted at beginning of From Father God to Mother Earth)

"We are, as a sex, infinitely superior to men..." Elizabeth Stanton, One Woman, One Vote, Wheeler, p. 58

"Who cares how men feel or what they do or whether they suffer? They have had over 2000 years to dominate and made a complete hash of it. Now it is our turn. My only comment to men is, if you don't like it, bad luck - and if you get in my way I'll run you down." Signed: Liberated Women, Boronia. (Herald-Sun, Melbourne, Australia - 9 February 1996)
 
Fairlight those are some heavy quotes from indeed many who are antichristian in thought. Thanks so much for that post and for those resources.

As I noted in another thread, some women today who are influenced by feminism are being deceived. All of us work and are underneath the headship of one man already, the God-Man Jesus Christ. We worship, revere and respect and obey, a man who is Lord and King.

In thinking over those quotes where they are so adamant and direct it made me think too that there is another danger that lurks around from the feminists when they are not so direct as what is said in those quotes.

As often is the case, it is not those who are open, direct, and clear about their position that weave their way into the hearts of others. The spirit behind those words is often what resonates and is caught. I have heard a saying once before that some things are caught and not taught. The hatred and anger and bitterness behind those quotes is often the spirit that weaves its way into some who form presuppositions that are in line with the basic feminist premise. And that goes back to the issue of a female who is godly and who is in love with the Lord cannot align with both ideas when examined in the light of logic. To hate all men is to hate God himself since he has come in the flesh as the God-Man. Thus, no feminist ideology can have any room in a true Evangelical or gospel centered or bible believing faith as to affirm the Judeo-Christian faith is to confess that we are all, male and female, under the headship of a man. Something which those who say what they say in those quotes could never admit or confess or believe when holding to those angry sentiments against the male gender.

Indeed those like this lady who say or think:
As far as I'm concerned, men are the product of a damanged gene.
are guilty of thinking God himself is damaged.

Yet too when I think about that I realize that ultimately they are really angry with God and his order in how he established creation. They make many remarks against manhood but they also reveal that deep down their real hatred is with God who made things as they are in the course of order. And thus it is no wonder why these women and those of them will reject Christ Jesus as Lord because he himself is a man and thus they hate the idea of God being a man and the order he has set in creation of functional roles.
 
there are extremists in both camps, both feminism AND patriarchy.
i hope that they are at least half as embarrassed about theirs as we are about ours.
 
steve said:
there are extremists in both camps, both feminism AND patriarchy.
i hope that they are at least half as embarrassed about theirs as we are about ours.

Yes and we recognise ours as extremists also and challenge them with their unworkable infeasible notions.

Fact is there are huge gulfs between ordinary everyday women getting on with life and academics theorising feminism in academia. they have no real impact on ordinary women's lives no matter what the feminism conspiracy theorists may think.

It is truly bonkers and just fodder for those who wish to see problems in the wrong places. Demonising the 'other' may be fun, but it is hardly productive and it is just intellectual laziness at the end of the day.

B
 
steve said:
there are extremists in both camps, both feminism AND patriarchy.
i hope that they are at least half as embarrassed about theirs as we are about ours.

One would hope but I haven't heard a single woman denounce any of them...in fact I just saw a documentary about Gloria Steinem. It was a virtual "love fest" with all the commentators extolling her many virtues and thanking her for advancing the cause of feminism. No one claimed to be embarrassed by her many off-handed comments about men like "Women need men like fish need bicycles" (a quote originally from Irina Dunn but was popularized by Ms. Steinem) or........

"Patriarchy requires violence or the subliminal threat of violence in order to maintain itself... The most dangerous situation for a woman is not an unknown man in the street, or even the enemy in wartime, but a husband or lover in the isolation of their home." Gloria Steinem in Revolution from Within: A Book of Self-Esteem, pp. 259-61..

Unfortunately, Gloria Steinem is still the heart and soul of the mainstream feminist movement........

Blessings,
Fairlight
 
Dr. K.R. Allen said:
As often is the case, it is not those who are open, direct, and clear about their position that weave their way into the hearts of others. The spirit behind those words is often what resonates and is caught. I have heard a saying once before that some things are caught and not taught. The hatred and anger and bitterness behind those quotes is often the spirit that weaves its way into some who form presuppositions that are in line with the basic feminist premise. And that goes back to the issue of a female who is godly and who is in love with the Lord cannot align with both ideas when examined in the light of logic.

Well said, Dr. Allen
Most women aren't aware of the quotes I posted. Women (or men, for that matter) usually won't accept something unless it is palatable. As a Christian, I know that Satan is the father of lies. He tempted Eve with the notion she could become a god if she ate the fruit. He continues to sugar coat his deceptions. Modern day feminism cannot be trusted because it's foundation is foul. It is one of his counterfeit ways to ensnare women into open rebellion against God's design, which is.



1. An Image Bearer ~ Genesis 1:26-27


2. A Woman Not a Man ~ Genesis 2:21-23


3. A Disciple ~ Deuteronomy 6:7


4. A Member of the Church ~ Act 2:49


5. A Demonstration of Unfading Beauty ~ 1 Peter 3:4


6. A Helpmeet ~ Genesis 2:18


7. A Trustful and Submissive Wife ~ Ephesians 5:22


8. A Keeper at Home ~ Titus 2:5


9. A Domestic Entrepreneur ~ Proverbs 31:10-31


10. A Fruitful Bearer of Children ~ Genesis 1:28


11 A Teacher of the Next Generation ~ Ephesians 6:1-3


12. A Godly Mentor ~ Titus 2:3-5
 
I am very aware of the extremes that feminisim has gone to.

I remember women marching in the streets and burning their bras.

I remember the introduction of a miracle pill for women who did not want to be barefoot and pregnant all the time.

I remember my great-grandmother telling me how excited she was when marching in South Dakota for the right of women to vote.

Perhaps women in this country have indeed 'come a long way', but the majority have forgotten where we've been.
 
blugrniz4u said:
I am very aware of the extremes that feminisim has gone to.

I remember women marching in the streets and burning their bras.

I remember the introduction of a miracle pill for women who did not want to be barefoot and pregnant all the time.

I remember my great-grandmother telling me how excited she was when marching in South Dakota for the right of women to vote.

Perhaps women in this country have indeed 'come a long way', but the majority have forgotten where we've been.

Which is why, IMHO, we shouldn't align ourselves with them.
The extremes you mentioned don't compare to what it has all morphed into.....the legalization of abortion, including partial birth abortion. Feminists continue to call it "pro-choice" and they demonize and boycott any political candidate who won't support it as a "fundamental right" of women. This is the feminist movement of today. :(
I agree that voting and being educated is a good thing but it seems to have come at a terrible price.

Blessings,
Fairlight
 
I think that using the fact of abortion as a sole example of the terrible price of feminism is pretty laughable in the light of history, that practice as old as civilisation itself, when the world was so much better and totally patriarchal (obviously :roll: ) second wave feminism is 50 years old, it can hardly be blamed for abortion existing, in fact you can hardly even accuse it of being legalised, since Abortion was one of those things that was criminalised for a very short period of time in comparative history, most of that history was before feminism. Abortion in the US was only illegal for about 70 years!

Some of those Patriarchal cultures in the world have very healthy abortion rates, often late abortions just because they are female. Feminism responsible for abortion? Don't make me laugh!

B
 
Abortion is only ONE of the results of extreme feminism. Mass dissolution of families and discouragement of Biblical family structure has also been a major result of modern feminism. Fairlight is correct in noticing the lack of female criticism of the extremists. Truly, the extremists are carrying the tide and the rest are just riding the wave. Where are the Christian women who are proud to be godly women, proud to be female and feminine? Where is their voice being heard in protest of the extremist, anti-Christ spirited women who are listed in the OP? Extreme feminism is a very real enemy of Families, Christians (men and women) and most destructive to women themselves. As I look at the world around me in the several states I have lived in, I am not seeing the happy, well adjusted women who have "Come along way baby", even if they are smoking Virginia Slims. Normal women suffer because of the extremists image and program. The identity of being a woman has been terribly distorted. Ask most any woman that is a SAHM by choice, about the support she gets from other women.
 
Where are the Christian women who are proud to be godly women, proud to be female and feminine? Where is their voice being heard in protest of the extremist

Here I am !!!! My voice is heard in protest in letters to various magazines when warranted; also letters to my elected government officials. My voice is also heard at church.
 
John Whitten said:
As I look at the world around me in the several states I have lived in, I am not seeing the happy, well adjusted women who have "Come along way baby", even if they are smoking Virginia Slims. Normal women suffer because of the extremists image and program. The identity of being a woman has been terribly distorted. Ask most any woman that is a SAHM by choice, about the support she gets from other women.

This has been my experience as well. I have several female friends who became SAHM's and received criticism from friends and family about how they weren't being "all they could be".

Blessings,
Fairlight
 
oh yeah for sure. it is an issue and many men today r a bnch of pansies bc of femi-nazis. i dated this dude once and it was always lke, bby whatcha u wanna do? it was nt him bng nice and polite and all which i understand and respect, but no it was lke he was afraid to tell me no or what he wanted or expected of me. he was a flower boy and not a real man. not once did he evr teach me a drn thng from the bible or say i could not do abc or i needed to do xyz. it was always what did i thnk or how did i feel or what did i want. he was prtty much spineless. many mls tdy i meet r lke tht. feminism has backfired and it has lft us with a bunch of pups in mle bods who dont have the guts to try and lead and govrn. thn when some do try and lead they oftn do so w/o being truly in knwldge of the word and then they screw thngs up bc of yrs of being illiterate in the bible on wht it means to truly be a real head. yes ive dated one like that too but if i had to pck either a flower boy or an illiterate man id try and go with the illiterate man and give him time to lrn the bible and how to be a head if he would be willing to lrn but if not neither would be an optn.
 
Unfortunately, you can be a homeschooling, Christian, stay-at-home mom with bunches of kids and still have the feminist spirit wrapped around your heart. It has so permeated our society, even in solid, bible-based churches.

I'm very conservative, from a very conservative family, in a poly relationship, and I still battle feminist ideology in my mind. Why? Because, ultimately, feminist ideology is sin, and probably the easiest sin that the Enemy can use to separate us from God. The only real answer is the daily renewing of the mind through God's Word.

Katie
 
sola scriptura said:
I still battle feminist ideology in my mind. Why? Because, ultimately, feminist ideology is sin, and probably the easiest sin that the Enemy can use to separate us from God. The only real answer is the daily renewing of the mind through God's Word.

Katie

Me too ;)
I have to remind myself that nothing the world has to offer is better than God's original plan. The Proverbs 31 woman is neither a victim nor a slouch. As for female role models, she's hard to beat. :)

Blessings,
Fairlight
 
Fairlight said:
Me too ;)
I have to remind myself that nothing the world has to offer is better than God's original plan. The Proverbs 31 woman is neither a victim nor a slouch. As for female role models, she's hard to beat. :)

Blessings,
Fairlight

Absolutely! Being a Godly woman under proper submission does not mean being abused, brainwashed, belittled, ignorant, illiterate or any of the other pejoratives that are commonly thrown around when describing "submissive" women.

I am strong, intelligent, capable, and can think for myself. As long as I am all these things with a spirit of godly humility and deference to my spiritual head, then I am doing exactly what God created me to do. I'm using my brain and my body to glorify my Creator, and my talents are available at the discretion of my husband, who desires me to be as capable and competent as possible, since the more capable and competent I am, the better our family is!

There is a whole lot more to this submission thing than being dragged by the hair back to the cave;)
 
sola scriptura said:
Absolutely! Being a Godly woman under proper submission does not mean being abused, brainwashed, belittled, ignorant, illiterate or any of the other pejoratives that are commonly thrown around when describing "submissive" women.

I am strong, intelligent, capable, and can think for myself. As long as I am all these things with a spirit of godly humility and deference to my spiritual head, then I am doing exactly what God created me to do. I'm using my brain and my body to glorify my Creator, and my talents are available at the discretion of my husband, who desires me to be as capable and competent as possible, since the more capable and competent I am, the better our family is!

There is a whole lot more to this submission thing than being dragged by the hair back to the cave;)

Preach it sister!!!! :D :D :D
 
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