I had the blessing of chatting with CatieF on the ladies chat and warned her about this. She is absolutely solid and will follow her husband and scripture. She is quite the blessing to NickF.
Praying for the whole family.
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Prayer request Turmoil Ahead
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Praying for the whole family.
She certainly is! And thank you everyone. Headed over to speak with her parents momentarily.
Did you to any extent prevail?
I believe so. But it remains to be seen. Some beautiful fruit. Some pain and tears. Tired.
Barely
But, seriously. It really touches my heart, and I’m sure Nick’s too, to know that y’all are praying for us during these difficult conversations. Y’all have no idea how much I appreciate having this BibFam community to lean on.
Looking forward to hearing your testimonies in person later this month.
That's most encouraging news! I hope it all settles down for you now but I suspect, going by what some of us have experienced, that won't be the case. Keep your eyes and ears open and be ready for surprise attacks. You will be in their sights now! Shalom
Had a call from the father in law this morning where he apologized for his anger. Sought reconciliation and restoration.
MIL agreed it wasn’t sin last night.
Honestly it seems like there is a real likelihood of them both seeing biblical truth on the matter.
Might never agree that it’s important or advisable but i can see them both reading my scriptural references and seeing the truth in the matter.
MIL agreed it wasn’t sin last night.
Honestly it seems like there is a real likelihood of them both seeing biblical truth on the matter.
Might never agree that it’s important or advisable but i can see them both reading my scriptural references and seeing the truth in the matter.
Sorry, I just noticed your prayer request. I will be praying for you guys (y'all since you are in Louisiana).
We've been down these roads and they are tough.
For what it's worth, some people really will examine things in the light of Scripture and be persuaded by the truth.
I shared these Biblical truths with a Bible study group that I use to teach. Several ladies (including my little sister) freaked a bit, but several other ladies and several other men (including my now deceased brother in law) seemed to get it.
One couple later on went into missions work where the issue of polygamous men coming to faith came up in a discussion, and people wondered what should be done about it. Our friend (the wife actually) told everyone straight up that it wasn't an issue because the Bible doesn't prohibit polygamy.
I've not had much success with pursuading pastors, but have had some success with serious minded "regular* Christ followers.
Keep chipping with sword of God's word.
We've been down these roads and they are tough.
For what it's worth, some people really will examine things in the light of Scripture and be persuaded by the truth.
I shared these Biblical truths with a Bible study group that I use to teach. Several ladies (including my little sister) freaked a bit, but several other ladies and several other men (including my now deceased brother in law) seemed to get it.
One couple later on went into missions work where the issue of polygamous men coming to faith came up in a discussion, and people wondered what should be done about it. Our friend (the wife actually) told everyone straight up that it wasn't an issue because the Bible doesn't prohibit polygamy.
I've not had much success with pursuading pastors, but have had some success with serious minded "regular* Christ followers.
Keep chipping with sword of God's word.
I started sharing this truth 63 years ago. So far no one with whom I've shared it and was rejected by has outlived me.
I can name multiple successful ministries that openly railed against poly and then subsequently faded or imploded...
Sometimes, I think the Lord uses this to test faithfulness of His undershepherds. Do they fear Him, or social ostracism?
In my opinion pastors are lost cause.
Small determinated group can oust pastor from job even if polygyny isn't problem.
Think a little. Practically pastor position is church position. So even if pastor privately thinks polygyny is ok what would happen if word gets out? Most people don't study scripture deep enough so polygnygy will came as shock.
For pastor to keep his job at least 60-70% congregation must change their opinions. Tough ask. And even may not be enough because unhappy people can attack pastor using objectively true problems. This could silence or turn out pastor's supporters so he goes out.
And don't forget chaos this teaching will cause in believers families. Many wives will become insecure so this will eat a ton of time. This will isolate pastor just at moment he needs most support. And did I mention pastor's wife? She could easily become a part of problem.
Sad thing is believers who accept polygyny may throw out pastor in order to save their own families. I would be insane to choose pastor over your family so this is impossible ask.
There is nothing for pastors to gain. Only to lose.
In my personal opinion only way for church to accept polygyny is to use subversive methods slowly trying to push Overton window. Things like slowly dripping truth. But this will take, I think, at least decade.
And to achieve above without triggering antibodies who will throw you out?
And to achieve above without triggering antibodies who will throw you out?
False.
Pastor's first love MUST be the Almighty and TRUTH. If he has to weigh the value/profit/loss of a truth, he has a different master whether money, position, power, or title. Bottomline, if he is presented this, or any truth, and he squirms, he ain't fit.
Now, to be clear, the truth bringer needs wisdom in how, when, where this or any truth is presented. There is a time/place (Sunday morning Sunday school isn't it....) that doesn't directly threaten the whole flock...
Yes they do, and many have been kicked out of churches for teaching the truth about all manner of things; homosexuality, same-sex marriages, submission of wives, etc. It's not new.
It's not just pastors but anyone wanting the approval of others will have to compromise on truth. However, what we gain is the eternal reward for being faithful. And I'd rather have the eternal rewards for being faithful to God than the temporary praises of men.
If this is his focus, he isn’t a pastor.
Just a pretender collecting a paycheck.
Organized religion is just organized religion.