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War propaganda: don't fall for it

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I saw one of the guys here had shared this meme on Facebook the other day (when looking over my wife's shoulder, I don't use that website...), and I think this is a great time to illustrate how our emotions are used to steer us towards compliance. I'm not having a dig at the person who shared this, just using it as an illustration of a principle.
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Yes, socialism has problems, capitalism is better. But that's not what's happening here.

This is war propaganda.

This is how the "elite" who control the media and governments use your natural and often correct views and emotions, to steer you towards sending your sons and husbands off to die for someone else to earn money.

In this specific example, a truck with humanitarian aid attempted to enter Venezuela and ended up on fire. The aid was not requested by the legitimate, elected government of Venezuela (elected by a vast majority through an electoral system described by Jimmy Carter as "the best in the world", and with far less scandal than the last US election). The aid was rather being sent in a blatant attempt to support a sedition attempt by an unelected individual who has been declared president by several foreign governments including the USA.

And there is substantial video and eyewitness evidence to demonstrate that the truck was likely torched by the opposition, deliberately, simply in order to create the very photo in that meme and make everyone think Venezuela is evil enough to need "regime change".

Don't fall for it. Yes, socialism has problems. But don't let anyone use emotion to get you to jump from that fact to supporting their political games.

The Belgian historian Anne Morelli outlined in 2001 (before 9/11) ten principles of war propaganda, which she compiled from earlier historians:
1. We don't want war, we are only defending ourselves
2. The other guy is the sole responsible for this war
3. Our adversary's leader is evil and looks evil
4. We are defending a noble purpose, not special interest
5. The enemy is purposefully causing atrocities; we only commit mistakes
6. The enemy is using unlawful weapons
7. We have very little losses, the enemy is losing big
8. Intellectuals and artists support our cause
9. Our cause is sacred
10. Those who doubt our propaganda are traitors.

Remember them. Because when you're seeing several of those at once, you're not being told news, you're hearing war propaganda.

Right now, we're told (1) the USA doesn't want war in Venezuela, but (2) whatever happens it's all Maduro's fault, because (3) he is evil, and (4) we're just defending democracy (by trying to overturn a democratically elected leader, but let's just believe that doublethink anyway). (5) Maduro is deliberately shooting his people and even burning trucks. (8) We're even holding concerts with famous people to support our cause. (10) Anyone who doubts our propaganda is just a Maduro apologist.

That's 7 of the 10, and two of the others cannot be used yet because the shooting hasn't started. The only relevant one I haven't seen so far is "our cause is sacred", and I probably just missed it.

Don't fall for it. Instead of believing the "news", have a read of this classic book: Falsehood in Wartime, by Lord Arthur Ponsonby, a politician in the UK before, during and after WW1. Here he goes through all the major lies that were told to get the war started, get the populace to sign up to die for the cause, and keep them deceived throughout it. It's incredibly enlightening, as many stories that have been reproduced in history books are shown to be completely fake.

Very interestingly, the fake atrocities described in WW1 bear enormous similarity to the claimed atrocities used to persuade soldiers that their cause is just in recent combats. For instance, Chapter 6, "The mutilated nurse", is an invented tale of German treatment of Belgian women spread among British troops. It is almost identical to tales told to German troops at the same time about Russian treatment of women (Chapter 30A). And, it is almost identical to the rumours spread through the US army about Saddam Hussein's alleged treatment of women a century later (as related in Ballad for Baghdad). The same stories are recycled in every generation - whether they are completely true, deliberate lies, or somewhere in between, can be impossible to determine even in hindsight.

But we must remember that people do want to use our emotions to get us to sacrifice our lives for their political or financial aspirations, and be vigilant not to fall for it.

So please don't spread war propaganda, even if it ticks your political boxes. Your political preferences are being used by the propagandists to ensure their propaganda is spread.

I better finish on a humorous note, given I've poked a stick in a giant hornets nest and beaten it around. Though many a true word is spoken in jest:
If every debate about US interventionism was about Godzilla instead.
 
I'm going to refrain from being the "hornet" in this one... And simply say that I agree with Zec...
 
The Rothschild bank of Germany financed the Germans in world war 1, the Rothschild bank of France financed the French in world war 1, the Rothschild Bank of England financed the English in world war 1. The Rothschild made a killing while others did the killing. War is big money. That took us to what was done in the latter part of the 20’s and thru the 30’s that started world war 2. And the money machine has kept us at war ever since.

$8 a bottle for water in Iraq. Just a tidbit of what ‘War machine’ means. Sent to bases by the semi-truck load.

On the money side, it comes down to ‘follow the money’. In the ethics/moral side, it is controlling the masses. Slavery, aka socialism, is a great place to start. In America, a lot of talk about socialism. The world money powers know the control socialism can bring to the top of the food chain. And socialism creates the new slavery system.

I could go on and on, but FollowingHim has some great insight. Jesus said to prepare, and I believe we are to prepare our children and our children’s children for what is to come. That and keep our hearts in right relationship with our Father.
 
And yet war will continue until the end. I think it's ok to see through the lies of the war machine and work for peace. I also know that a lot of wars are instigated by God, even when the motivations of the people actually pushing for them are not noble. If God has heard the cry of the downtrodden in a nation, and sends a greedy warmongering nation to depose their rulers and free the people, motivated by their own lust for profit: Who can know it? Who can judge it?
 
Sometimes a political meme.realls is just a political meme.
True, anyone could have written this meme - but it is based on a propaganda photograph. My point is to illustrate that the official propaganda is so carefully constructed that people choose to adopt it willingly and use it to illustrate their own opinions. They take the propaganda, build on it (e.g. adding captions), then spread it further. The result of this is that people see the propaganda being promoted in one way or another by everyone from supporters of the establishment, to traditionally anti-war libertarians. So they come to see it as universal truth because they see it everywhere.

That's how cunning the propaganda is. Be very careful.
If God has heard the cry of the downtrodden in a nation, and sends a greedy warmongering nation to depose their rulers and free the people, motivated by their own lust for profit: Who can know it? Who can judge it?
It is highly debatable that the "downtrodden" are crying out for the sort of "help" that is being offered by the USA / requested by Guaido. Keep in mind the fact that Maduro won the last election by a landslide (late 2018), while Guaido was not even a presidential candidate but was elected to their parliament as the second favourite candidate in a small constituency back in 2015, has risen to a temporary rotating position equivalent to your "speaker of the house" through purely political negotiations since then, and admits himself that most Venezuelans have never even heard of him. Who do the people really want, today? The more you dig the more questions are raised. If you do want to dig, make sure you also read independent media from the socialist bloc of countries to get both sides of the picture.

But I'm no expert on Venezuela specifically. My point is simply that you can smell a rat just by looking at the messaging. If it looks like war propaganda, then you're being fed a certain line of thought because someone has an agenda. You don't need to fully understand the true situation behind it to simply be skeptical of accepting the agenda.
 
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My point is simply that you can smell a rat just by looking at the messaging. If it looks like war propaganda, then you're being fed a certain line of thought because someone has an agenda. You don't need to fully understand the true situation behind it to simply be skeptical of accepting the agenda.
For sure!
It is highly debatable that the "downtrodden" are crying out for the sort of "help" that is being offered by the USA

Well I think what I mean is I don't think Israel was crying out for Samson to get into a pissing match with the philestines over questionable women, but that's what they got. What do the people want? Who cares? They probably aren't going to get it! The number of times I've gotten relief that I cried out for the way I asked for and wanted it to come to pass it I can count on one hand without using all the fingers. Kings go to war. It's just their thing. When will it ever change, or what could we do to change that?
 
That is true. Relief can come through unexpected means.
But war isn't relief, it's evil and causes even more suffering. Cue my earlier Godzilla reference.
Don't let anyone use your compassion for the downtrodden to steer you towards supporting evil.
 
Good words.
I'll probably leave it at that because at the end of the day, I go back and forth over whether or not I'd just prefer actual fascism and imperialism to these modern half measures. I have to remain philosophical about these things and keep my distance, because if I start to care too much it is for sure I'll be coming down on the wrong side. :D

Edit: Wait no. It has to be said that Godzilla was the good guy about half the time, and the only monster strong enough to save the earth several times. Godzilla sometimes might be the wrong answer, but he's often the only answer that would be useful. And in any case it's really hard to get his attention or change his direction so it rarely matters if you're pro or anti Godzilla.
 
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It is a fact in Scripture that Babylon was used as God's rod of iron... But, the rest of the story is at the end of Jeremiah and Revelation. Godzilla is laying up a butt whooping that terrifies me. May God protect His own when the time comes...

A side note: I was a missionary's kid in Colombia, South America for more than half a decade of formative years. Later I served in the US military and am a combat veteran... All I can say is, I completely ignore the media (lying b@st@rds) and am grieved by the war machine (profiteering large corps.) we have. May our King come soon as straighten out the mess we have made of Creation!
 
This is how the "elite" who control the media and governments use your natural and often correct views and emotions, to steer you towards sending your sons and husbands off to die for someone else to earn money.
I think this describes what’s happening in America quite well.
 

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I have to admit my biases. I am a proud member of the warrior class and I take a large amount of my identity from American military exceptionalism. I am very susceptible to a little white knighting especially when socialist dictators offer themselves as a nice morally acceptable target.
But I am also a little skeptical of the blame America first mantra.
I've been to Venezuela. In 1995 it was a beautiful country filled with staggeringly beautiful people. I liked it better than Mexico and Brazil which I had previously visited. Back then one of the problems was that Colombians were trying to come in as refugees. That problem is reversed now. Maduro is a bad man. Chavez was a worse man. I'm not saying that we need to form up and right face right and forward march in to yet another armed conflict with no real benefit to America. But there is some reason Russia and China are adamant we stay out. And it's always useful to call evil evil.
 
Well, if we're going to do this, let's do this.... ;)

I was either the one who posted that or one of the ones that Samuel saw that posted that.

For the record, I agree with much of what's said above contra to Samuel's original take on the meme, and specifically Zec's first response: Sometimes a meme is just a meme (especially on Fakebook...), socialism is evil, and Jimmy Carter is/was a dangerous idiot, whose opinion counts for nothing at best, and more often can be used as 'reverse testimony' to point to the opposite conclusion as correct.

I don't really care about the debate over the origins of the photo; the verbal message is correct. Starvation has been used regularly as a tool by socialist tyrants to control their slaves. We don't need socialism in the United States. Nobody needs socialism anywhere, ever.

Meanwhile, let's look at this:
And there is substantial video and eyewitness evidence to demonstrate that the truck was likely torched by the opposition, deliberately, simply in order to create the very photo in that meme and make everyone think Venezuela is evil enough to need "regime change".
The words "substantial", "video", "eyewitness", and "demonstrate" are lined up to support the proposition that the truck was . . . wait for it . . . "likely" torched by the opposition. So in another words, we still don't know for sure. All that effort to speculate about what "likely" happened. Maybe it was a real deal. Maybe it was a false flag. Nobody that wasn't there will ever know, and some of the people that were there will never know.

And most of the time as we're trying to keep our heads above the flood of information that constantly threatens to overwhelm us, we don't really know, and how could we? At this point we're surrounded by publishers pushing agendas, and I'm not sure there's anything out there that counts as "news" anymore. We would all do well to take any particular purported "news" story and take it with a grain of salt. And then take the inevitable counter-story that emerges a few days later with a grain of salt, too. And then the inevitable counter-counter-story, etc.

The takeaway is not "don't be taken in by war propaganda"; the takeaway is "don't be taken in by propaganda". And any "information (particularly but not necessarily biased or misleading) published to promote a political opinion or point of view" is propaganda, or should be treated as such (as the publisher's pov/agenda only) unless you're prepared to personally vet the information without relying on the propaganda of others. These days, that covers just about everything.

Back to the meme: For my purposes, it's not war propaganda, it's political propaganda. I am most certainly advancing the political opinion and point of view that this country is in a bad way, it is slipping into totalitarianism through a combination of willful stupidity and evil manipulation, and anything that presents the truth about socialism is fair game. If other people want to run with that as a call for intervention in Venezuela, that's their journey, that's another topic. But the direct message of that meme, and the way I see it mostly being used in the circles I run in, is as a statement about socialism, not as a statement about Venezuela.
 
For the record, I'm libertarian enough to agree with the purpose Andrew and Zec see in that meme. I'm not arguing against the message of the meme. I'm pointing out some specifics of how to recognise war propaganda, and using it as an illustration. Since it's been so widely spread it's something I could pick on without specifically pulling out any one individual for sharing it.

My point is that there are people trying to get a war going. And they're really cunning about it, they do it by creating narratives and illustrations that we emotively identify with. That particular image, for example, is very easy for anybody who disapproves of socialism to identify with. It's a perfect illustration for a meme, or any other usage.

And that's why this image is so powerful. We might use it to illustrate a message we wish to say ("socialism is bad"). But the effect of that is that this one image is put in front of people on the television, in newspapers, on news websites, and even their facebook feeds. Everywhere they see this image, and everybody appears to be promoting it. The subliminal effect is to reinforce the message that the image authors intended to convey - Venezuala is messed up and needs somebody to go in and fix it. And as people see the same image everywhere, they get the impression that everybody agrees with this message. And are therefore more likely to support a war.

It's very cunning psychology.

My main point though was not to call out this one image (and certainly not this one meme). That was just to get the readers attention - the point was to explain general principles of war propaganda, and how to recognise it. And to promote a fascinating book on WW1 that I cannot recommend highly enough - here's the link again.

And the most effective propaganda is the rumour. The viral image. The story or illustration that is so emotionally compelling that people share it willingly and it grows in the telling. People know to distrust official news outlets - but they trust their friends and relatives. The greatest achievement of the propagandist is to get their message shared person to person. And that's where we have the power to influence the opinions of a nation, by simply choosing what to spread and what to let die.

Sorry if I have failed to express this properly before (or still now...).
 
That second meme is completely off-topic from my point Andrew. I don't have a problem with it. I'm not debating memes. And I'm certainly not debating socialism. But I can see how I could have given the wrong impression as I've worded this clumsily.
 
For the record, I'm libertarian enough to agree with the purpose Andrew and Zec see in that meme.
For the record, I'm open-minded enough consider the possibility that the purpose(s) of the original meme creator and the purpose(s) of every individual who shares the meme cover a wide spectrum of possible interpretations and unknowable motives and goals. That's why I'm not going to get into an "is too, is not" kind of argument, but rather mentioned "Samuel's original take on the meme" and share "my purposes" in sharing the meme.

So if you want to agree that we're seeing an illustration of the "six blind men and the elephant" problem, then we can leave it at that. If you want to continue down the "this is war propaganda" regardless of what "Andrew and Zec see in that meme" road, then I respectfully disagree. Either way, we can leave it at that.... ;)
 
Hey, just a couple of quick disclaimers:

Samuel: If I'm coming off a little too abrupt it's only because I'm trying these days to shoehorn a little forum time into an otherwise stupid schedule, and sometimes it works better than others. I'm trying to be matter-of-fact, not adversarial, but I may not be hitting the right tone; sorry if I'm presenting as more cantankerous than usual. (So I end up having to make time for an explanation.... Next time I'll just try to do it right the first time. :rolleyes:)

Others: Samuel and I have met in person, talked on the phone, and have a five-year course of dealings that seems longer (in a good way ;)). I will occasionally exercise liberties in my relationship with him that I try not to take with people I don't know as well—he is a guy that I enjoy sparring with from time to time because I respect his intellect and trust his character. (Samuel, I hope I'm not the only one who 'enjoys' it....)

Man, that's a lot of verbiage from a guy who "didn't have time" to be more diplomatic in the first place.... :eek:
 
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