What constitutes pornography?

[captainjonathan]

I would again quote: 12All things are lawful for me, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be mastered by anything. 13Food is for the stomach and the stomach is for food, but God will do away with both of them. Yet the body is not for immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord is for the body.…

If it causes my brother (or sister) to stumble. There are things we give up for the sake of those we lead. If you like beautiful naked pictures, take some of your wife and enjoy those. (i have them of my bride on my phone)

As a rule.... i eliminate behavior from my life if I don't want Christ coming back while I am doing it. God could you tarry a bit more while I finish "not" lustfully looking at this naked woman. Yeah I know the wonderful gift you gave me is in the next room, and that me doing this hurts her, but darn it I like these pictures.

Grow the heck up man. You have a woman who is willing to open her heart and body to you and you are choosing to WILLFULLY hurt her and make her cry over your freedom to look at women? Get real!!! I am ashamed of the state of man today. Ever heard of the rule of thumb? Well it was once our right to hit our wives too, but it is wrong man, just wrong, so is this. What part of LOVE are you showing your wife? Sure is not KIND, seems self seeking, smacks of pride? If when all else is gone and 3 things remain and the greatest of those is love... well?

Sorry to ramble but dude, you are wrong just plain wrong.

 

[inquisitive one]

So let me put this to you. Its not ok to look at photographs of naked people Even if they are artistic but it is ok to look at paintings of naked people in art galleries and statues of naked people. That seems hypocritical to me

 

[FollowingHim2]

So let me put this to you. Its not ok to look at photographs of naked people Even if they are artistic but it is ok to look at paintings of naked people in art galleries and statues of naked people. That seems hypocritical to me

I don't recall anyone making that distinction. Photos, paintings, statues, sculptures, they are all the same thing.

Inquisitive one, I get the feeling that you are not listening to the advice that you are being given, you just brush over it and come out with something that wasn't even mentioned here. I suggest you take on board what people are saying to you. The people that have commented on this thread are people who have experience in marriage, people who have been married for years, some plural and some not. They are people who are very strong Christians. Plus you've also received a woman's perspective, particularly in Seeking Great Pearl who I entirely agree with by the way.

In my last post I told you to compromise and you ignored that and talked about respect. Well don't ignore what I am saying now.

Listen, my friend. Listen to the good people here. If you are determined to hold onto this with all your heart then look deep inside yourself and ask yourself why.

I also like Jonathan's advice on pictures of your wife. Take arty ones, have a go at it yourself.

 

[FollowingHim]

l'm going to join the dots between the other posts you have made on this forum. Might get the odd detail wrong, but I feel a fairly clear picture is emerging of your situation.

You have slept with a woman who is a prostitute, and would now like to marry her. It sounds like she is around 18-20ish, while you are in your 50's. You are also looking at photos of other naked women. Despite all this, your wife has stuck by you, although she is very upset and you are disagreeing on many things, some of which you have raised with us.

You don't want to tell your wife everything about the second woman you wish to marry, and have asked here for us to itemize in detail exactly what you are obliged to tell her. You don't think your wife has a right to criticise your interest in other naked women and should just accept this as your decision.

You claim to have a low sex drive. But you felt a need to sleep with a woman other than your wife, claim to be interested in young women, and feel a need to look at pictures of naked women. Sounds like someone with a high sex drive to me. Why would you claim to have a low drive? Possibly because you think that would be sinful, but there's nothing wrong with sexual attraction, God designed it. Rather, I am wondering whether you have a reduced interest in your wife, and are trying to excuse this by telling her you have a low drive, when in reality you are directing your desires towards other women. Be honest with yourself and her. A man with a low sex drive wouldn't be in your situation.

Most people who join this site seeking to learn post comments on many threads. You however have only ever commented on three threads you started yourself. Each of these has involved in some way disagreement between you and your wife. As a general rule you have ignored any advice that goes against your existing views.

I don't think you're here to learn. I think you're here because you want to justify your own position to your wife, and you just keep posting brief comments that ignore what others have said in the hope that someone will say something you can quote to your wife and say "see, I'm right, this person agrees with me". While ignoring everything that disagrees with you.

Take a step back and look at what you've got. Your wife must be amazing to stick by you through this mess, others here have lost wives over much less. Buy her some flowers and consider changing something in your life to actually address her concerns rather than ignoring them, or one day you'll wake up and find she's gone.

 

[steve]

my friends,
at what point do things become "endless disputations"?
in over 7 months inqo has only posted on 3 threads.
his own threads.
he takes controversial subjects, poses innocent sounding questions, and then plays devils advocate while good-hearted people try to reason with him.

sorry, dude. maybe that is just the way that you process, but I thought that I would point out the pattern.
at least you no longer chide people who are not posting, as you did on your first thread.


Samuel,
we were writing at the same time
I went ahead and posted this anyway.

 

[Tali]

It is times like this that I am so proud to be a part of this community. Everyone's points, (save those of IO's,) are marvelous. Perhaps someone who has a truly teachable spirit will read these posts, and rather than being permanently put off by the embarrassing selfishness exposed here, will see that there are grand warrior men and women of faith who will fight hard on principle for a marriage and a couple they don't even know.

Well done, all!