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What is 'meat sacrificed to idols'?

I pray for my food before I eat it, so whatever spiritual state it is in it is ultimately brought before its Creator for my consumption. My consciences is clear. I do like a good ham sandwich, and I love shrimp. (But, if you came to my house and you find these things offensive I surely wouldn't offer them to you out of respect for your faith.)

However, I do pay attention to the Spirit of Taste. I will never eat anything that tastes bad to me. Brussels Spouts, hate them. Liver, disgusting. Crawfish, well that's just the devil disguised as food.

There are many other areas in life that I fail in regards to keeping the commandments of God, but that is why He came to Save me. He said He would put His Laws into my heart, I trust Him on that.
 
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FollowingHim said:
Ponder it for a bit, because that seems a bit ridiculous
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Maybe to you! To me it's too twisted up. For myself, if I have to make the mental effort to differentiate between Allah who potentially could be called 'God' and the Allah who asserts that he has no son, and a black box whom the worshipers are commanded to pray towards and kiss but is not an idol; my conscience won't really allow it. As @EternalDreamer points out, my conscience has nothing to do with yours, I make no comment on what you do or why you do it. To your own Master you stand or fall.

FollowingHim said:
In fact, if you want to avoid pork, the simplest way in most of the world is to eat halal!
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Literally I'd already made a mental note that if I ever go to NZ, I'll have to make sure to eat pork exclusively.
 
Well if you want to avoid halal, the simplest way is to eat pork!
Slumberfreeze said:
For myself, if I have to make the mental effort to differentiate between Allah who potentially could be called 'God' and the Allah who asserts that he has no son,
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There are not two Gods / Allahs / Elohim. There is only ONE God. That's the basic foundation of our entire faith.
Therefore, there can be no "Allah who asserts that he has no son". There is only One, and He does have a Son.
There are however millions of people who assert that He has no son, but are wrong...
Slumberfreeze said:
and a black box whom the worshipers are commanded to pray towards and kiss but is not an idol
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The "black box" (Kaaba) is a building that is considered to be the house of God. Muslims pray towards it and kiss it just as Jews pray towards Jerusalem and kiss the wailing wall. In fact, Muslims also originally prayed towards Jerusalem (as being the house of God) and only later changed the prayer direction towards the Kaaba at Mecca. So the Kaaba very much assumes the exact place in Islam that the temple has in Judaism. If the Kaaba is an idol, then was the Temple an idol? Was the Ark of the Covenant an idol? Was the bronze snake in the wilderness an idol? I'm not arguing that it is correct to pray towards the Kaaba. However, I'm trying to be consistent here. If Judaism has physical objects that are revered, yet are not idols, is it right to assume that all revered objects in other faiths must be idols? Muslims are very, very careful to avoid idol worship, so do not themselves consider the Kaaba to be an idol, and it is in no way a represention of God's image. I don't think we can tell them they're worshipping an idol when they are being very careful not to worship idols, and are simply doing something that Jews also do but we do not condemn them for (ie praying towards what they believe to be the House of God).
 
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Ah... ok. So the Kaba is not an idol, it's a temple. Obviously this isn't going to help me very much, because:

1) While Mohammed and literally every muslim ever may honestly believe that this is the house of the God of Abraham... it's not.

2) If I'm going to assume it's all an honest mistake, then I have to assume that someone identifying himself as Gabriel fed Mohammed all these lies.

3) So while you may say that the can be no "Allah who asserts that he has no son" I must say "Really? Because I have his address..."

4) Clearly the being who spoke with Mohammed was not Gabriel, but was willing to answer to the name Gabriel.

5) Therefore is it a stretch to say that the one who gets his mail at mecca is not the true Allah but most certainly does business under that fictitious name?

6) I say it directly follows that it is so. Further, the being that answers that mail is a demon, or a corporation of demons.

7) Which I believe is clearly shown by the entire history of literally everything that has ever been associated with that prophet, that site, and that religion.

8) Salvation through Jesus Christ, the Son of God has always been anathema to that prophet, that site, and that religion. From it's very founding. 'Nuff said

Since I KNOW that Mohammed's Gabriel is a demon, does it seem likely that to follow that his commandment that animals should be slaughtered facing mecca in the name of Allah is a harmless to those who do it? Of course not. It is a demon that invites me to this feast. I would not expect to be sitting down with Yeshua if I accept.


20No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God. And I do not want you to be participants with demons. 21You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot partake in the table of the Lord and the table of demons too. 22Are we trying to provoke the Lord to jealousy? Are we stronger than He?

That last part though. Are we trying to provoke the Lord to jealousy? If I eat meat offered to an idol, and that would annoy Him; by what rationale would He not be annoyed at me partaking in meat offered to the being that kills Jews, Kills Christians, and forbids the worship of Jesus?

Zeus is fairly tame compared to the Allah of Mecca.
 
We're not that far apart in our understanding of the situation, we just branch off into different responses to it.
Clearly whoever spoke to Muhammad was a demon pretending to be Gabriel. Clearly there have been demons heavily involved in the entire murderous cult for the complete history of its existence.

But I say if someone talks about the God of Abraham, there is only One that they are referring to. That title is very explicit for a reason. I know who they intend to refer to, who they intend to worship, and He is not a demon.

Our key difference is that we believe they devote their food to two different entities:
I say they intend to devote their food to the God of Abraham, therefore it is devoted to Him.
You say that although they might think they're doing that, because so much of their religion is a doctrine of demons, they are in fact devoting it to those demons whatever words they might be using.

I don't think we're going to agree, nor do we need to, we may both be wrong after all... :-)
 
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