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Man_in_the_Middle said:
That is one of those kind of views that I would like to agree with but I just don't think that was what was being said in those verses. But to be clear... I hate being taxed so heavily! :)
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What do you think Jesus meant?

Truth is the earth is YHWH's along with every thing and every one. So what is left for Ceasar except judgment for presuming to rule over YHWH's people?
That is why they marveled.....because He didn't just avoid their trap. HE CALLED THEM OUT! They KNEW the law....but went "with the flow" paying tribute to a heathen piece of $h!+!
What fellowship hath light with darkness??

If you go back in the scripture you can find a place where they were rebuilding the temple and some desired to cause them trouble. They wrote a letter to the king telling him that "if they succeed in building the wicked and rebellious city know that the king will have NO TRIBUTE from them.

Hmmmm.....
 
Joleneakamama said:
What do you think Jesus meant?

Truth is the earth is YHWH's along with every thing and every one. So what is left for Ceasar except judgment for presuming to rule over YHWH's people?
That is why they marveled.....because He didn't just avoid their trap. HE CALLED THEM OUT! They KNEW the law....but went "with the flow" paying tribute to a heathen piece of $h!+!
What fellowship hath light with darkness??

If you go back in the scripture you can find a place where they were rebuilding the temple and some desired to cause them trouble. They wrote a letter to the king telling him that "if they succeed in building the wicked and rebellious city know that the king will have NO TRIBUTE from them.

Hmmmm.....
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The reason that they had another kingdom ruling over them is because they were under God's punishment. They did not appoint a foreign King over themselves which would have been a violation of God's law. As seen here --> Deu 17:15 Thou shalt in any wise set him king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall choose: one from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which is not thy brother.
So, if they rebelled against the punishment of God (the foreigner ruling over them), then they would be failing to obey God. As seen here -->
Lev 26:41 And that I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity:
Lev 26:42 Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land.
Lev 26:43 The land also shall be left of them, and shall enjoy her sabbaths, while she lieth desolate without them: and they shall accept of the punishment of their iniquity: because, even because they despised my judgments, and because their soul abhorred my statutes.

So, I do not believe that the money being used by Caesar was fake or that Jesus was telling them to stick it up their butt as the commentator in the video espoused. I believe that the people wanted to be free from the bondage they were in and the Pharisees knew it. So, they thought to use the people against him. If he had stated that they were rightfully in bondage then the people might have risen up against him and rejected him as the Christ/Messiah/Savior. If he said that they should not pay the tribute, he would be going against the punishment established by God and against Caesar which may have caused him to legally be guilty of treason.

It was a trap to cause his downfall either way that the pharisees thought that he would answer. His answer was brilliant in it's honesty and avoidance of the trap.


As for the current God of this earth.... Let's talk about it.
What about this verse....
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

And also the temptation of Christ.

Luk 4:5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
Luk 4:6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
Luk 4:7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.
 
Man_in_the_Middle said:
So, I do not believe that the money being used by Caesar was fake or that Jesus was telling them to stick it up their butt as the commentator in the video espoused. I believe that the people wanted to be free from the bondage they were in and the Pharisees knew it. So, they thought to use the people against him. If he had stated that they were rightfully in bondage then the people might have risen up against him and rejected him as the Christ/Messiah/Savior. If he said that they should not pay the tribute, he would be going against the punishment established by God and against Caesar which may have caused him to legally be guilty of treason.

It was a trap to cause his downfall either way that the pharisees thought that he would answer. His answer was brilliant in it's honesty and avoidance of the trap.
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This was highly likely on Temple ground and extremely likely coin shown to Jesus has inscription proclaiming Roman emperor as god.

So carrying mark of one god into temple of another. What sin is that?
 
MemeFan said:
This was highly likely on Temple ground and extremely likely coin shown to Jesus has inscription proclaiming Roman emperor as god.

So carrying mark of one god into temple of another. What sin is that?
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I see nowhere in scripture where they wanted to know if they should carry that coin into the temple... I may just be missing it though... Help me out....
 
Man_in_the_Middle said:
I see nowhere in scripture where they wanted to know if they should carry that coin into the temple... I may just be missing it though... Help me out....
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Because carrying signs of one religion into temple of another is wrong because it's offensive to temple's god. It should be common sense.

With Lord being jealous god, would it be smart idea to have marks of another god on/with yourself?
 
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MemeFan said:
Because carrying signs of one religion into temple of another is wrong because it's offensive to temple's god. It should be common sense.

With Lord being jealous god, would be smart idea to have marks of another god on/with yourself?
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When you make up rules for right and wrong, you can say anything.
 
Permission structures are recent addition used to manipulate people.

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Longish history:
 
MemeFan said:
Because carrying signs of one religion into temple of another is wrong because it's offensive to temple's god. It should be common sense.

With Lord being jealous god, would be smart idea to have marks of another god on/with yourself?
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When you are in a government system, you are paid with it's currency. It will usually be loaded with pagan symbols. You use it. You carry it.
You are in the dispersion. You are not set free into the promise land yet.

The House of Israel, the lost ten tribes, are STILL dispersed throughout the nations. Until we are returned to the promised land, there is a whole lotta ugly we have to deal with....
 
Man_in_the_Middle said:
The House of Israel, the lost ten tribes, are STILL dispersed throughout the nations. Until we are returned to the promised land, there is a whole lotta ugly we have to deal with....
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The Bible says that the people will be gathered to Christ.....not a land. It also says they would be given a new land....and that their descendants would inherit the nations.

I don't see them as "still dispersed" I see them as SOWN throughout all the earth ....as He said he would.
 
James wrote his epistle To the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad (James 1:1). That would seem to indicate a representative number from each of the 12 tribes still being alive and recognisable. There has always been a remnant so there aren't 10 lost or missing. The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob has it all under control.
 
Man_in_the_Middle said:
When you are in a government system, you are paid with it's currency. It will usually be loaded with pagan symbols. You use it. You carry it.
You are in the dispersion. You are not set free into the promise land yet.
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Governments having total monopoly on currency is modern idea. With Israel being border region, money from other sources was available.
 
MemeFan said:
Governments having total monopoly on currency is modern idea. With Israel being border region, money from other sources was available.
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That is still true today. No one government has "the" only currency. The value people place in a currency is based on their trust in the minting of it or the solvency of the government that backs it.

This has always been true...
 
MemeFan said:
Governments having total monopoly on currency is modern idea. With Israel being border region, money from other sources was available.
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Absolutely true. Thus the money changers were a thing in the time of Jesus. Their business was normalizing various coinage into the accepted local coinage. And of course taking a slice off the top for themselves.
 
Man_in_the_Middle said:
That is still true today. No one government has "the" only currency. The value people place in a currency is based on their trust in the minting of it or the solvency of the government that backs it.

This has always been true...
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Until it's not. Often "suddenly."

Then it's called "currency collapse," or Mises' "crack up boom."

Wait for it...


PS> And no government on the planet currently has "the" Scriptural "Real Money" -- qesef, aka "silver," or even gold.
 
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