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Off-Grid Artist said:
Being direct won't hurt my feelings.

I don't want to invent an answer for the existence of mosques in Russia. I don't know enough about Islam and how it functions under different governments to knowledgeably say for certain. Maybe they are also useful to the government.

However, that article you linked to said that this building was rebuilt as a historical monument by the President of Tartarstan.

Tartarstan is described thusly: "After hundreds of years under Russian rule, the Tatars are now well integrated into Russian society. However, they continue to maintain a distinct culture, characterized by their Islamic faith and native Turkic language."

"The Volga Tatars, also known as Volga-Ural Tatars or simply Tatars (Tatar: татарлар, romanized: tatarlar; Russian: татары, romanized: tatary) are a Turkic ethnic group native to the Volga-Ural region of western Russia, and contains multiple subgroups. Tatars are the second-largest ethnic group in Russia after ethnic Russians. They are primarily found in Tatarstan, where they make up 53.6% of the population. Their native language is Tatar, and are primarily followers of Sunni Islam."

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Volga Tatars - Wikipedia

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Federal subjects of Russia - Wikipedia

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So they don't really sound like they are culturally Russian, but more like an attached governed body.

This is my source for my explanation of the Cold War (potential) strategy of the KGB:

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New Lies For Old: The Communist Strategy of Deception and Disinformation : Anatoliy Golitsyn : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

A former KGB officer provides a revealing look at Soviet policy and objectives and explains how the Communist use of political deception and disinformation...
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There are other allowed religions if state has state religions. Did Romans tolerate Christianity when Emperor worship was state religion?

That's point. I choose Muslim since it's easier to prove they exist and therefore Russia doesn't have state religion.

Now Orthodoxy may have big influence of state and law, but that does mean it's Russian state religion.

Regarding KBG's strategy, your problem isn't proving it was then strategy. Maybe yes, maybe not. Real issue is it now same strategy?

West has it's own homebrewed (woke) Communist, you maybe Russia ones aren't problem. Did you take into account Chinese Communists?

CCP is still officially Marxist-Leninists party and Chinese were caught several times trying to biological damage makers (fungus etc... damaging to crop). Maybe they are real issue.

Upsss, I forgot, some bigwig (Neville Roy Singham) with CCP connections is financier of Democrat party.
 
Some information about the movie Citizen Vigilante
 
Go to any forum or the comments section of any YouTube video, and you will see multiple women giving testimony of how they used some medium to place a curse on their husband in order to get him crawling back to her on his hands and knees.
 
Heavens Declare said:
Go to any forum or the comments section of any YouTube video, and you will see multiple women giving testimony of how they used some medium to place a curse on their husband in order to get him crawling back to her on his hands and knees.
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These are women who are in desperate need of correction and humility. Humiliation if necessary.
 
I watched documentary series about Croatian medieval kingdom. Relevant part is around 18 minutes.


I'm not certain how much you will be able to understand since it's mostly on Croatian and caption don't work, but non-Croat expert says on English that kings of Merovingian dynasty collected mistresses*, there was sort of active polygamy among kings, with higher importance comes easier access to sex with wide varierty of women and.....church theologians didn't say a word against it.

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So early medieval church was OK with polygyny according to university based historians.

*I doubt he can imagine saying wives.

@The Revolting Man, do we have some thread about historic evidence of church accepting polygyny?
 
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MemeFan said:
I'm not certain how much you will be able to understand since it's mostly on Croatian and caption don't work, but non-Croat expert says on English that kimgs of Merovingian dynasty collected mistresses*, there was sort of active polygamy among kings, with higher importance comes easier access to sex with wide varierty of women and.....chirch theologians didn't say a word against it.

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So early medieval church was OK with polygyny according to university based historians.

*I doubt he can imagine saying wives.
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Christie (SW) used to call herself Steve's mistress when people got nosy. She'd say that she'd call herself a mistress and people accepted that but if she called herself another wife they'd call the police.

This is because so many people are hypocrites who think mere words magically change reality.

The reality of Steve and Christie's relationship mattered less to people than their perception of it did.
 
MeganC said:
The reality of Steve and Christie's relationship mattered less to people than their perception of it did
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Something I've observed interacting with people opposing polygyny, is that the nature of their arguments and personal attacks says FAR MORE about the lense, moral, social, religious, that THEY HAVE DEVELOPED, than it ever will about the person or practice that they are attacking.

Here is a verse I saw a man bring out in comments on fb. The person he was replying to called it nonsense, but to me it was describing how our own filters can skew our perceptions....even of our God.

Psalms 18:20-27

The LORD rewarded me according to my righteousness; according to the cleanness of my hands hath he recompensed me.

21For I have kept the ways of the LORD, and have not wickedly departed from my God.

22For all his judgments were before me, and I did not put away his statutes from me.

23I was also upright before him, and I kept myself from mine iniquity.

24Therefore hath the LORD recompensed me according to my righteousness, according to the cleanness of my hands in his eyesight.

25With the merciful thou wilt shew thyself merciful; with an upright man thou wilt shew thyself upright;

26With the pure thou wilt shew thyself pure; and with the froward thou wilt shew thyself froward.

27For thou wilt save the afflicted people; but wilt bring down high looks.
 
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Joleneakamama said:
Something I've observed interacting with people opposing polygyny, is that the nature of their arguments and personal attacks says FOR MORE about the lense, moral, social, religious, that THEY HAVE DEVELOPED,than it ever will about the person or practice that they are attacking.

Here is a verse I saw a man bring out in comments on fb. The person he was replying to called it nonsense, but to me it was describing how our own filters can skew our perceptions....even of our God.

Psalms 18:20-27

The LORD rewarded me according to my righteousness; according to the cleanness of my hands hath he recompensed me.

21For I have kept the ways of the LORD, and have not wickedly departed from my God.

22For all his judgments were before me, and I did not put away his statutes from me.

23I was also upright before him, and I kept myself from mine iniquity.

24Therefore hath the LORD recompensed me according to my righteousness, according to the cleanness of my hands in his eyesight.

25With the merciful thou wilt shew thyself merciful; with an upright man thou wilt shew thyself upright;

26With the pure thou wilt shew thyself pure; and with the froward thou wilt shew thyself froward.

27For thou wilt save the afflicted people; but wilt bring down high looks.
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What I LOVE about that passage, is that it was written when Saul died, at a time when David was married to both Ahinoam and Abigail. Oh and he had not numbered the troops either at that time, because some people like to call that out when you show them I Kings 15:5.
 
Off-Grid Artist said:
My understanding of Russian Orthodoxy is that it is a state religion. If you try to be a Baptist or a Lutheran or a Torah Observer - anything other than Russian Orthodox - you will either be imprisoned or killed.

Pro-Putin people talk about Russia like it is some misunderstood, magical Christian paradise. But there is something about modern Russia history which nobody understands. Russia is still effectively communist.

There is a book from a KGB defector named Anatoly Golitsyn which details how the fall of the Soviet Union was essentially an engineered longform plan by the KGB.

This book details it:

New Lies for Old​

In 1984, Golitsyn published the book New Lies For Old, wherein he warned about a long-term deception strategy of seeming retreat from hard-line Communism designed to lull the West into a false sense of security, and finally economically cripple and diplomatically isolate the United States.

Among other things, Golitsyn stated:



Golitsyn reportedly sought the assistance of William F. Buckley, Jr. (who once worked for the CIA) in writing New Lies for Old. Buckley refused but later went on to write a novel about Angleton, Spytime: The Undoing of James Jesus Angleton. One of the more notable claims made in New Lies For Old was that Andrei Sakharov was a "major KGB agent of influence".

In his book Wedge: The Secret War between the FBI and CIA (Knopf, 1994), Mark Riebling stated that of 194 predictions made in New Lies For Old, 139 had been fulfilled by 1993, 9 seemed 'clearly wrong', and the other 46 were 'not soon falsifiable'.

source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatoliy_Golitsyn

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The KGB are communists. But they still are in charge of Russia, that never ended with the end of the Cold War. They just found a way to disengage from a costly and pointless endeavor, and use it as a means to build a longer strategy. Putin is KGB. He has been a dictator for a very long time, including a brief stint of having a puppet front man.

Communists don't believe in God or allow Christianity, but what we see in Russia is that a state-organized church operating as a limb of a government can be used against the people as a powerful tool. I don't want to get into the economics of it, because communism is really more about promoting negative emotional and spiritual lifestyles (envy, bitterness, covetousness) than a final economic wonderland. All that stuff is just bait to entice a populace to gut itself.
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It may be true that Russia itself is still under tyrannical Communism under a different name, but many of the Eastern bloc countries are not, and we are certainly less concerned about an all out war with a super power that has nukes than we were in the 1950s all the way through the 80s.

The title of the book reminds me of another classic Wayne Watson song:
 
Heavens Declare said:
It may be true that Russia itself is still under tyrannical Communism under a different name, but many of the Eastern bloc countries are not, and we are certainly less concerned about an all out war with a super power that has nukes than we were in the 1950s all the way through the 80s.

The title of the book reminds me of another classic Wayne Watson song:
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If Russia is under Communism which state agency does planning for all business?

Does state own all business of any significance?
 
MemeFan said:
Does (Russian) state own all business of any significance?
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Russia is fascist in the classical sense. The government controls everything but doesn't own it. It is a shade of difference from communism that allows some market activity. But as we have seen with different oligarchs losing their fiefdoms because they offended Putin there is no question over who controls everything.
 
MeganC said:
Russia is fascist in the classical sense. The government controls everything but doesn't own it. It is a shade of difference from communism that allows some market activity. But as we have seen with different oligarchs losing their fiefdoms because they offended Putin there is no question over who controls everything.
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Government would still own at least 50% of everything and nationalize all "key/strategic" industries.

I doubt that's true.
 
MemeFan said:
Nope. New guy is probably worse than Starmer. Labour is Starmer's party.

What else can you expect from globalists? Practically never leaving power and favouring always worse policies. Only way good things came when they are forced by situation to do good.
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New guy Burnham, expected to be installed soon is real leftist. Well, Starmer is considered centrist, so this one...um....radical shall we say.

But it's not that simple. He is fan of devolution and has considered it's no time for digital id in 2025. Devolution is decentralization of political power which is not something commies do.

He looks more like industry nationalized democratic socialist rather than proper commie.

I don't know what he considers about Russia. If he is pro WW3, then he is card carrying globalists. Since he is most popular Brit politician he must be close to people which means he will have to be right wing, at least a little. And popularity does give him at least some indepedence from globalist oligarchs (Trump is same here).

He is, probably last try by Labour faithfull to fix situation before mass desertion.

Remains to be seen what will happen. I don't consider situation totally black as before, but I wouldn't put much hope into it.
 
MeganC said:
And how do you define what makes a person "pro WW3"?
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By starting war with Russia, including all form of provocation and working to expanding conflict.

Iran is special case. If we wants and works to inflame whole Moddle East, it's pro WW3.

Trump keeps his interventions strictly limited.
 
MeganC said:
Christie (SW) used to call herself Steve's mistress when people got nosy. She'd say that she'd call herself a mistress and people accepted that but if she called herself another wife they'd call the police.

This is because so many people are hypocrites who think mere words magically change reality.

The reality of Steve and Christie's relationship mattered less to people than their perception of it did.
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I never experienced any pushback. Granted I am not a church going man. Or maybe the fact that I am Extremely low agreeability towards those who give me in person pushback...who knows .
I get the impression that your average secular person just assumes that it is "poly" from the point of view view of those bloody rebranded swinger types. That the most interest one gets is salacious.
Mileage will differ though
 
paterfamilias said:
I never experienced any pushback. Granted I am not a church going man. Or maybe the fact that I am Extremely low agreeability towards those who give me in person pushback...who knows .
I get the impression that your average secular person just assumes that it is "poly" from the point of view view of those bloody rebranded swinger types. That the most interest one gets is salacious.
Mileage will differ though
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I think "swinger" is the first thought people have. Our culture is really living in Canaan and doing what the Canaanites did although with a lot of Rome thrown in for good measure.
 
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