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Apocrypha and Book of Enoch?

Im not sure I agree with his last comment though that whether it is part of Scripture is irrelevent: if Scripture is the inspired writings of the Holy Spirit, then whether it is or isnt is VASTLY important, and the ONLY thing that matters. Now, whether OTHER PEOPLE consider it such (especially for silly reasons), is the irrelevant part ;)
 
Right on @Verifyveritas76 ! I pray the study goes well brother!

This has been chatted out a few times over the years... I’d recommend checking out previous threads with many thoughts hashed out already concerning these books.


I freaking cannot wait til I have a computer!!! Lol
Such an important topic ... especially Enoch!
I’ve named my son Enoch for a reason peeps!
 
rustywest4 said:
Right on @Verifyveritas76 ! I pray the study goes well brother!

This has been chatted out a few times over the years... I’d recommend checking out previous threads with many thoughts hashed out already concerning these books.


I freaking cannot wait til I have a computer!!! Lol
Such an important topic ... especially Enoch!
I’ve named my son Enoch for a reason peeps!
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I would but I'm not sure what to search for?
 
EternalDreamer said:
So I'm feeling...uncertain.

What's everyone's thoughts on this?
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We have many books written by today’s religious leaders, pastors, evangelists and so on. If our take on these old writings is that they should not be read, then should we take that further and say today’s books should not be read as well? Today’s books are not in the Bible, as the books of Enoch, Jasher and so forth. I just finished a book called Healing Codes. It’s not in the scripture either, should I refrain from these type books along with other more secular books like “The History of the United States” since it’s not in the scripture?

Read with a grain of salt. If you can’t accept portions of what you’ve read, throw it out or put it on the back burner. Or don’t read it at all.

We will all continue to read. What you read is your choice. I have seen a lot of discernment on this site. Should you decide to read these books, use your discernment as your reading. Frankly, I’ve enjoyed reading them. And I don’t agree or don’t accept everything I’ve read. But I came out with some new thoughts.
 
ZecAustin said:
Of course, but we accept the Old Testament wholly from the Jews. There isn't a "christian" Old Testament. Obviously I wouldn't accept there commentary on the New Testament.
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This is incorrrect. The Protestant bible uses the Jewish Tanakh (the masoretic hebrew) as the Old Testament. However the more traditional Christian old testament of the Catholic and Orthodox churches contains more books, as the chrch traditionally used the LXX. So to put it in the terms you used, there is a Christian Old Testament, the LXX, and it dffers from the Jewish one. But most of us just have the Jewish one in our bibles.
 
rejoicinghandmaid said:
Let me at 'em, bro! Pass the butter! :)
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Lol , :)
Ok sis ... check it ...
Timothy Albariño works with an awesome guy named Steve Quayle and “Gen6 Productions”... an awesome ministry focusing on the Genesis 6 narrative & Nephilim.
They have been producing a video series called “True Legends” for several years now and it’s very well worth a watch. (it’s like the Christian version of Ancient Aliens lol)
Main ministry website: https://gensix.com/

Also Tom Horn is another guy that’s been at the Nephilim thing for just as long as Steve Quayle... lots of great research. Both have written many books on that topic and several others.
Tom Horn has a ministry called “Skywatch TV”. Awesome stuff there!
Website: https://www.skywatchtv.com/

These are my two main / fav sources on the topic of Nephilim and the Genesis Chapter 6 narrative. :rolleyes:
 
rustywest4 said:
Lol , :)
Ok sis ... check it ...
Timothy Albariño works with an awesome guy named Steve Quayle and “Gen6 Productions”... an awesome ministry focusing on the Genesis 6 narrative & Nephilim.
They have been producing a video series called “True Legends” for several years now and it’s very well worth a watch. (it’s like the Christian version of Ancient Aliens lol)
Main ministry website: https://gensix.com/

Also Tom Horn is another guy that’s been at the Nephilim thing for just as long as Steve Quayle... lots of great research. Both have written many books on that topic and several others.
Tom Horn has a ministry called “Skywatch TV”. Awesome stuff there!
Website: https://www.skywatchtv.com/

These are my two main / fav sources on the topic of Nephilim and the Genesis Chapter 6 narrative. :rolleyes:
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I've heard of Skywatch but have never been on it. I'll start checking these out tonight. I never watch tv unless I'm at someone elses house, and they have it on. My tv has a dvd/cd and vhs player so I choose what I watch on my tv. Links like these will keep my occupied for quite a while. I'm a night owl so looking forward to this mother lode! Muchas gracias 'lil bro!
 
Phillip said:
We have many books written by today’s religious leaders, pastors, evangelists and so on. If our take on these old writings is that they should not be read, then should we take that further and say today’s books should not be read as well? Today’s books are not in the Bible, as the books of Enoch, Jasher and so forth. I just finished a book called Healing Codes. It’s not in the scripture either, should I refrain from these type books along with other more secular books like “The History of the United States” since it’s not in the scripture?

Read with a grain of salt. If you can’t accept portions of what you’ve read, throw it out or put it on the back burner. Or don’t read it at all.

We will all continue to read. What you read is your choice. I have seen a lot of discernment on this site. Should you decide to read these books, use your discernment as your reading. Frankly, I’ve enjoyed reading them. And I don’t agree or don’t accept everything I’ve read. But I came out with some new thoughts.
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I would say around 99% of modern, so called, “christian books” are not fit for christian consumption.
 
rejoicinghandmaid said:
Out of curiosity, I'm interested in what guidelines you use for considering something "fit for consumption".
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Personally, I find it needlessly stressful to purposefully read or watch stuff that is arguing for concepts or ideas I disagree with. I find no value in debate for the sake of debate. Now a well presented discussion to edify and give knowledge and thus possibly change my viewpoint, that Im all for!
A movie that has a subplot I disagree with doesnt bother me. A book, especially a purportedly Christian one, that exists to support a position I find unbiblical (I Kissed Dating Goodbye, anyone?) I have no interest in reading and will strongly discourage loved ones from doing so. I suppose the same applies to any overtly unbiblical media. I dont think it is wrong to go see Captain Marvel... but I will ask my women not to, unless it be to analyze it objectively, because they dont need the culture polluting their heads with any more feminism nonsense. Any more than I intend to watch Jessica Jones, a show which seems designed to beat me down and tell me I am less than the prince of our Lord that God made me to be >:(
 
FollowingHim said:
This is incorrrect. The Protestant bible uses the Jewish Tanakh (the masoretic hebrew) as the Old Testament. However the more traditional Christian old testament of the Catholic and Orthodox churches contains more books, as the chrch traditionally used the LXX. So to put it in the terms you used, there is a Christian Old Testament, the LXX, and it dffers from the Jewish one. But most of us just have the Jewish one in our bibles.
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Sort of. The Catholics recognized them as not being accepted by the Jews and would sometimes segregate them or label them as not being accepted by the Jews. There was never a time when these books were broadly considered as being on the same level with the canonical books. It wasn't until the Protestants though that they really got called out and in response the Catholic churc was more deliberate about advertising their status.
 
ZecAustin said:
Sort of. The Catholics recognized them as not being accepted by the Jews and would sometimes segregate them or label them as not being accepted by the Jews. There was never a time when these books were broadly considered as being on the same level with the canonical books. It wasn't until the Protestants though that they really got called out and in response the Catholic churc was more deliberate about advertising their status.
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That's not reflective of the Orthodox perspective.

The Old Testament books to which you refer—know in the Orthodox Church as the “longer canon” rather than the “Apocrypha,” as they are known among the Protestants—are accepted by Orthodox Christianity as canonical scripture. These particular books are found only in the Septuagint version of the Old Testament, but not in the Hebrew texts of the rabbis.

These books—Tobit, Judah, more chapters of Esther and Daniel, the Books of Maccabees, the Book of the Wisdom of Solomon, the Book of Sirach, the Prophecy of Baruch, and the Prayer of Manasseh—are considered by the Orthodox to be fully part of the Old testament because they are part of the longer canon that was accepted from the beginning by the early Church.

The same Canon [rule] of Scripture is used by the Roman Catholic Church. In the Jerusalem Bible (RC) these books are intermingled within the Old Testament Books and not placed separately as often in Protestant translations (e.g., KJV).
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