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Are you married, or are you committing adultery?

Mojo said:
I hear what you’re saying brother, but I also think about Paul’s adminition to the new believers. If they convert, and they have an unbelieving spouse, they should remain married, as God will honor that marriage, and not leave it.
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Yes, but if the unbeliever spouse chooses to leave, let him or her leave because believers in Christ are not bound to the unbeliever by the marriage law. This confirms that marriages of the unbelievers are not honored by God.
 
Mark C said:
Two witnesses just isn't enough? Why is that sufficient for Acts 15, as Zec'd?
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Because you don’t have two witnesses. You have two passages that don’t say what II say they say. So if you could base this in anything else you could maybe try to make a coherent argument.
 
Tally said:
Yes, but if the unbeliever spouse chooses to leave, let him or her leave because believers in Christ are not bound to the unbeliever by the marriage law. This confirms that marriages of the unbelievers are not honored by God.
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Brother, I believe it more affirms God’s consistency. Divorce is not a good idea in any marriage, unless for certain reasons that have been detailed and written in other areas on this site.

Even if the spouse does not come to Christ, divorce is not good.

But, if a woman is divorced against her will by her man (even if he is a believer) she is freed from that bond. At least, that’s how I interpret scripture.
 
Mojo said:
Brother, I believe it more affirms God’s consistency. Divorce is not a good idea in any marriage, unless for certain reasons that have been detailed and written in other areas on this site.

Even if the spouse does not come to Christ, divorce is not good.

But, if a woman is divorced against her will by her man (even if he is a believer) she is freed from that bond. At least, that’s how I interpret scripture.
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I understand your thinking on this topic but we are not to persuade one another of a thing, Corinthians 3:6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
 
Tally said:
I understand your thinking on this topic but we are not to persuade one another of a thing, Corinthians 3:6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
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That’s merely a description of what happened, not a prescription for what should happen.
Your view would make bringing people into the Kingdom unreasonably clumsy.
 
Joleneakamama said:
A man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still.
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No matter the evidence, Zec has NEVER been convinced against his will.
He can’t even be convinced against his presuppositions.
 
The Revolting Man said:
It’s a difficult question and I don’t have a satisfactory answer. Protect your women.
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You can never have a satisfactory answer to this question because your assumptions won’t fit into one.
You seem to think that Yah missed this gaping loophole when He laid His plans out for marriage.
 
Tally said:
I understand your thinking on this topic but we are not to persuade one another of a thing, Corinthians 3:6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
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Please explain just a bit further please. I don’t want to misinterpret what you’re trying to convey.
 
steve said:
That’s merely a description of what happened, not a prescription for what should happen.
Your view would make bringing people into the Kingdom unreasonably clumsy.
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Thank you for your kind view on my understanding of things, you may be right and if you are, I pray that God open my eyes to it and guide me in accordance to his will, we are only what and who God says we are. If we be focus on man opinion or judgment on us then we will live to please the man and not God, one thing I know and understand for sure is that God alone has the power to build up and to tare down, and when it is all said and done, he will judge us all according to our hearts.
 
Tally said:
Thank you for your kind view on my understanding of things, you may be right and if you are, I pray that God open my eyes to it and guide me in accordance to his will, we are only what and who God says we are. If we be focus on man opinion or judgment on us then we will live to please the man and not God, one thing I know and understand for sure is that God alone has the power to build up and to tear down...
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Up until this point, I agreed.
Tally said:
and when it is all said and done, he will judge us all according to our hearts.
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Why, then, does Yakov/'James' say, [yes, paraphrased] "show me your faith by your works [ACTIONS]"?

Abraham - the 'father of our faith' - had his faith counted for 'tzadek'-ness [righteousness] - and yet what he DID was "obey YHVH and keep His commandments." When told to leave - he did. When told to offer "your son, your only son," he did.

I can't help but think that if he had said instead "God knows my heart," and stayed in Ur, Yah would've chosen someone else.

But, admittedly, I've heard that line at least a thousand times. By people whose fruit I didn't see.


I look to Matthew 5:28, where Yahushua "connects the dots" between adultery and lusting for someone else's wife. The point is to "Take every thought CAPTIVE in obedience" to Him. Action follows thought. It's fine to have a 'change of heart.' But it's important to 'walk it out.'
"If you love Me, keep My commands."
 
Mark C said:
Up until this point, I agreed.

Why, then, does Yakov/'James' say, [yes, paraphrased] "show me your faith by your works [ACTIONS]"?

Abraham - the 'father of our faith' - had his faith counted for 'tzadek'-ness [righteousness] - and yet what he DID was "obey YHVH and keep His commandments." When told to leave - he did. When told to offer "your son, your only son," he did.

I can't help but think that if he had said instead "God knows my heart," and stayed in Ur, Yah would've chosen someone else.

But, admittedly, I've heard that line at least a thousand times. By people whose fruit I didn't see.


I look to Matthew 5:28, where Yahushua "connects the dots" between adultery and lusting for someone else's wife. The point is to "Take every thought CAPTIVE in obedience" to Him. Action follows thought. It's fine to have a 'change of heart.' But it's important to 'walk it out.'
"If you love Me, keep My commands."
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Isa 59:18 According to their deeds, accordingly he will repay, fury to his adversaries, recompence to his enemies; to the islands he will repay recompence.
 
Tally said:
you may be right and if you are, I pray that God open my eyes to it and guide me in accordance to his will, we are only what and who God says we are.
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Consider how Yah treated Saul, later Paul, when he was wrong.
Don’t you think that He would rather have us be Bereans and search out the truths that we are introduced to in interactions with other patriarchs?
 
steve said:
Consider how Yah treated Saul, later Paul, when he was wrong.
Don’t you think that He would rather have us be Bereans and search out the truths that we are introduced to in interactions with other patriarchs?
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Yes, I do agree.
 
Mark C said:
Up until this point, I agreed.

Why, then, does Yakov/'James' say, [yes, paraphrased] "show me your faith by your works [ACTIONS]"?

Abraham - the 'father of our faith' - had his faith counted for 'tzadek'-ness [righteousness] - and yet what he DID was "obey YHVH and keep His commandments." When told to leave - he did. When told to offer "your son, your only son," he did.

I can't help but think that if he had said instead "God knows my heart," and stayed in Ur, Yah would've chosen someone else.

But, admittedly, I've heard that line at least a thousand times. By people whose fruit I didn't see.


I look to Matthew 5:28, where Yahushua "connects the dots" between adultery and lusting for someone else's wife. The point is to "Take every thought CAPTIVE in obedience" to Him. Action follows thought. It's fine to have a 'change of heart.' But it's important to 'walk it out.'
"If you love Me, keep My commands."
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Mark C said:
But it's important to 'walk it out.'
"If you love Me, keep My commands."
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Brother @Tally, I believe you are on the right track regarding God knowing the heart.

Yes, our actions do show our love, but only God can measure the heart. If I love God, yes, I will seek to please him with my actions and keeping his instructions to us.

But, just because a person follows His words completely, it doesn’t prove love of Him. It’s possible they may hear “depart from me…I never knew you…”. Only God measure the heart.
 
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