Ark and Creation Museum

[Asforme&myhouse]

Hmm I’m out of my depth here guys. But I’m interested please expound...

@Pacman, you’re tough. Lol, that particular study came from 10-15 years ago. The only other thing I remember is that there were about five things that indicate it being edited by Moses. We know for certain Moses didn’t live in that time period. So, we’re left with two possibilities. 1, Moses edited Genesis from other writings. Since we know cuneiforms were created/written during the time of Genesis, there could have been an account of early mankind. Personally, my hunch is that Enoch wrote the account of Adam since Enoch knew his Grandfather personally. But, that’s just a hunch on my part. 2, Moses could have been given direct knowledge of how we began directly inspired by God himself. I don’t have any problem with either account. But as I said earlier, the greater light, lesser light, and calling a city by one name and then giving its current name lends to the possibility Genesis was edited.

Obviously, since I didn’t live during that time period, I can only speculate.

This is just a hunch/suspicion of mine, so take it for what it is worth... which isn’t much. But, I suspect that God may have written the first two chapters of Genesis. Adam may have written some parts of Genesis, and perhaps various men of Seth’s line (including Noah, who took them on the Ark) may have contributed as well. These writings were passed down the line to Abraham and then Isaac, Jacob, Jacob’s sons and descendants who lived in Egypt. Moses probably was taught from them as a small child and then compiled them together and continued the writing to complete the five Books of Moses.

 

[Asforme&myhouse]

Throughout Genesis there are sections, each finishing with "these are the generations of X". This repeated phrase is like a signature line, and I believe signifies a switch from one ancient document to the next. I understand this to show that Moses compiled it from records made by several prominant ancestors.

On that note, I see Genesis 1:1 - 2:4 (to "these are the generations of the heavens and the earth") as an account given by God, probably to Adam. The next section is Adam's account, written by him or someone interviewing him. That is why there are two creation accounts - one from the perspective of God, and one from the perspective of Adam and starting only at his creation.

I should have read your post first lol

 

[rockfox]

@Pacman, you’re tough. Lol, that particular study came from 10-15 years ago. The only other thing I remember is that there were about five things that indicate it being edited by Moses. We know for certain Moses didn’t live in that time period. So, we’re left with two possibilities. 1, Moses edited Genesis from other writings. Since we know cuneiforms were created/written during the time of Genesis, there could have been an account of early mankind. Personally, my hunch is that Enoch wrote the account of Adam since Enoch knew his Grandfather personally. But, that’s just a hunch on my part. 2, Moses could have been given direct knowledge of how we began directly inspired by God himself. I don’t have any problem with either account. But as I said earlier, the greater light, lesser light, and calling a city by one name and then giving its current name lends to the possibility Genesis was edited.

Obviously, since I didn’t live during that time period, I can only speculate.

If I remember correctly one of the books of Enoch says that when he was the first man taught to write.

 

[Verifyveritas76]

Josephus has an interesting passage. Antiq. Of the Jews 1.2.3

[Adam’s children after Seth] They also were the inventors of that peculiar sort of wisdom which is concerned with the heavenly bodies, and their order. And that their inventions might not be lost before they were sufficiently known, upon Adams’s prediction that the world was to be destroyed at one time by the force of fire, and at another time by the violence and quantity of water, they made two pillars; the one of brick, the other of stone: they inscribed their discoveries on them both, that in case the pillar or brick should be destroyed by the flood, the pillar of stone might remain, and exhibit those discoveries to mankind; and also inform them that there was another pillar of brick erected by them. Now this remains in the land of Siriad to this day.

 

[rejoicinghandmaid]

Josephus has an interesting passage. Antiq. Of the Jews 1.2.3

[Adam’s children after Seth] They also were the inventors of that peculiar sort of wisdom which is concerned with the heavenly bodies, and their order. And that their inventions might not be lost before they were sufficiently known, upon Adams’s prediction that the world was to be destroyed at one time by the force of fire, and at another time by the violence and quantity of water, they made two pillars; the one of brick, the other of stone: they inscribed their discoveries on them both, that in case the pillar or brick should be destroyed by the flood, the pillar of stone might remain, and exhibit those discoveries to mankind; and also inform them that there was another pillar of brick erected by them. Now this remains in the land of Siriad to this day.

Very interesting! This is fascinating. Is there a picture available of this?

 

[Verifyveritas76]

Very interesting! This is fascinating. Is there a picture available of this?

The Pillar? IDK. Ive never heard of it before but Josephus mentions it still being there in about 100 AD

 

[FollowingHim]

Here's more information on the Tablet Theory of Genesis authorship, and why it is superior to the more liberal view (the "documentary hypothesis") that Genesis was oral traditions that were compiled at a much later date:
https://creation.com/who-wrote-genesis-are-the-toledoth-colophons
http://www.ldolphin.org/tablethy.html

If you hunt around online for more information, you'll find careful analysis like the above articles that explains how the tablet theory makes sense of the text - and you'll find critical articles that dismiss it entirely simply because it is speculative and there is no archaelogical evidence of such tablets existing. It is correct that we just cannot know how Genesis was compiled, and if we already have faith in God's ability to have humans write inerrent scripture then it really doesn't matter who wrote it provided it was dictated correctly by the Spirit. Which shows it's not a big deal. But if you do decide to dig into Genesis, the idea that it was compiled as multiple tablets over time makes a lot of sense of the text, and indicates greater authenticity to a skeptical reader, even though we cannot prove it for certain.

 

[rockfox]

you'll find critical articles that dismiss it entirely simply because it is speculative and there is no archaelogical evidence of such tablets existing

That is the game archaeologists always play. When you think about the likelihood of finding such tablets so long later, it's rather ridiculous. Especially in light of the fact that these 'scientists' denied the Biblical truth of an entire civilization (the Hittites) until the day they found it.

 

[rockfox]

From Jubilies 4

he called his name Enoch.
And he was the first among men that are born on earth who learnt writing and knowledge and wisdom and who wrote down the signs of heaven according to the order of their months in a book, that men might know the seasons of the years according to the order of their separate months.
And he was the first to write a testimony and he testified to the sons of men among the generations of the earth, and recounted the weeks of the jubilees, and made known to them the days of the years, and set in order the months and recounted the Sabbaths of the years as we made (them), known to him.
And what was and what will be he saw in a vision of his sleep, as it will happen to the children of men throughout their generations until the day of judgment; he saw and understood everything, and wrote his testimony, and placed the testimony on earth for all the children of men and for their generations.
And in the twelfth jubilee, [582-88] in the seventh week thereof, he took to himself a wife, and her name was Edna, the daughter of Danel, the daughter of his father's brother, and in the sixth year in this week [587 A.M.] she bare him a son and he called his name Methuselah.
And he was moreover with the angels of God these six jubilees of years, and they showed him everything which is on earth and in the heavens, the rule of the sun, and he wrote down everything.

 

[rustywest4]

Tablet theory for life bruh

 

[Cap]

We went to the Ark last year and loved it.

Does Morgan Freeman work there?

 

[Verifyveritas76]

Here’s another reference from Jasher 2

And Cainan grew up and he was forty years old, and he became wise and had knowledge and skill in all wisdom, and he reigned over all the sons of men, and he led the sons of men to wisdom and knowledge; for Cainan was a very wise man and had understanding in all wisdom, and with his wisdom he ruled over spirits and demons;
12 And Cainan knew by his wisdom that God would destroy the sons of men for having sinned upon earth, and that the Lord would in the latter days bring upon them the waters of the flood.
13 And in those days Cainan wrote upon tablets of stone, what was to take place in time to come, and he put them in his treasures.
14 And Cainan reigned over the whole earth, and he turned some of the sons of men to the service of God.

The reference by Josephus could be referring to Cainan but I guess I understood it as being something that Adam was credited with