By betrothal,
1) No one considered Dinah Shechm's woman post sex, they did consider him fornicating with her though, then agreed to intermarry.
2) Mary is divorcable by Joseph pre sex.
3) A raped woman is not the rapists, unless the father allows it.
4-6) And if she is already betrothed it is adultery, if she is in the city and doesnt scream it applies to both parties, if she does, then only the rapist is guilty. If she is in the country it only applies to the rapist.
6 scriptural references all contradicting sex = marriage. Betrothal (Aras) is pre Marriage (chathan), which is pre sex (Shakab see Mary above). Sex equaling marriage effectively invalidates fornication as a concept, because if sex alone = marriage you are left with only 2 outcomes, marriage or adultery. Please provide counter scripture.
I actually have a 7th reference, Exodus 21:1-6, again deals with the master giving the slave a wife. The male slave cannot take her from his master, she is the masters to give and her and any offspring remain the masters.
But if the slave had a wife to begin with she belongs to the slave. If a man lays with a slave woman who is betrothed to another that is a violation, though its punishment is not akin to adultery, nor its it called adultery, but its still fornication, as she is another mans, but she is not free.
Again we see the violation is based on her betrothal status, not her ownership status, nor her sex status.
8th! Note even with a warbride there is a procedure to be completed before she is a valid wife, you cannot just sex her down.
1) We can't use Dinah as any example of how to do proper biblical marriage.
Shechm is Canaanite, so we take him as follower of Torah. Maybe they did marriage differently. And since Canaanite will become so bad they will become deserving of genocide, we can reasonably assume they did marriage wrong too. Starting from when, well, too little evidence. Maybe they were fans of current boyfriend/girlfriend setup where instead of abortion they throw baby as offering to their gods?
And Israel's sons were evil, all of them literally. This guys killed entire city and then steal everything. Lol, taking moral lesson from murderers, thieves and enslavers
. No wonder everybody hated them. They were danger to society. In current times, I would put them all forever behind bars.
Now, I have checked several translations. So Dinah is either raped or implied to be raped. Well, in that case you kill only rapist, not the whole city full of innocents.
2) First, conditions for getting into state "divorced" don't have to same as ones for getting "married". And per my definition, Mary wasn't even being married, but betrothed. And of course, Mary can be given leg. Key point of marriage is woman being sexually faithful. And when woman takes another man in bed, well, there is point in such a marriage.
To make analogy. We make contract where you will sell me your car starting new month. What will happen if you sell your car to someone else this month? Contract is finito.
And what is interesting is that only command we have is mandatory breakup for woman's cheating. What about other's cases of dishonesty pr fraud. His lying about place to live, income levels, other wife(s), her lying about sex history, being in love with another man? No way something like this never happened. And I don't doubt marriage contracts before sex weren't made void.
3) No comment as there is already big enough discussion does father's approval matter
4-6) Marriage is voluntary sex, not by involuntary. Rape commands don't matter for my case. As I'm against rape as method of wife acquiring and it's illegal in current legal legal, so either, I don't care since these command don't apply.
No everything in Torah applies to now, starting with sin sacrifices.
7) Read again text. He goes out as free man, not a slave and not a divorced man. There is no hidden divorce law there, only his wife and children are still slaves.
Hello, same situation as when man sells his children with special case for wife.
I highly doubt any master could forbade man from visiting his slave wife/children. Lord likes to keep family together, so I doubt this would pass.
8) But you can sex her down after mourning period.
And soldiers were purified after campaign, so pattern is same here. First "ritual cleansing", then normal back to regular activities.
