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Feminists

The Revolting Man said:
You and Mark are going to be good friends.

The way to respond to the women here is to engage their ideas, not to spew scorn and insults. The two women you have engaged are very upfront about not being completely sold on everything that gets espoused here.

They don’t have to be sneered at with derogatory labels. They can and will defend themselves but I will set the guard rails. For you that means no calling them feminists. You can explain why an idea is feminist. Make your case.



No, to claim I was supposed to know that you were referring to society at large is wanting me to know your thoughts. You don’t get credit for your intentions, you get judged on your words. I’m not a mind reader and only a female dominated worldview would expect me to be. Take responsibility for your words and stop acting like you deserve extra consideration. If your words can’t be trusted why are you even engaged in a forum? You communicated poorly, again, and are acting like you’re the victim.
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Let's review the WORDS that I used in the thread prior to you NOT UNDERSTANDING the context.

Man_in_the_Middle said:
The greatest asset you can leave your wives, is sons.

Daughters are great too but they move on to the family that they marry into. Sons will bear the burden of ensuring that their mothers are taken care of all the days of their lives.

Now, modern culture the way it is, sons may not do what they should so, give them sons and daughters and pray for the best outcome possible!
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Man_in_the_Middle said:
Did you notice my closing line in that statement? Read it again....

Quote: "Now, modern culture the way it is, sons may not do what they should so, give them sons and daughters and pray for the best outcome possible! "

I know that modern culture does not end up with ideal situations, so I addressed the ideal and then the reality as well.
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Man_in_the_Middle said:
Yes, as men, we would normally outsource the care but still ensure that the care is provided. That does not mean that we would outsource our love and affection.....
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Man_in_the_Middle said:
Sons "tend" to earn more money than daughters and so when money pressures arise, they should be able to provide more in that regard.

Anecdotally, perhaps none of this is correct. I am speaking in broad brush strokes about ideals.
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Man_in_the_Middle said:
Sons "tend" to earn more money than daughters and so when money pressures arise, they should be able to provide more in that regard.

Anecdotally, perhaps none of this is correct. I am speaking in broad brush strokes about ideals.
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Man_in_the_Middle said:
I am so not surprised about that in a culture that is female dominated. I have been speaking about ideals this entire time while making allowances for the current realities that we are faced with.
If we were in a Patriarchal society, I believe that you would not see the trends as they currently exist.
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As you can plainly see, in that thread I was talking about culture and ideals. Not you, you family etc.

If you thought that I thought you were a mind reader, you are clearly mistaken. I am simply looking forward to you understanding the plain texts that are written in the forum before you.
 
Man_in_the_Middle said:
thought you were a mind reader, you are clearly mistaken. I am simply looking forward to you understanding the plain texts that are written in the forum before you.
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I do understand the meaning of the plain text of what you wrote. It’s you who don’t, or rather you’re trying to obfuscate the meaning of the plain text of what you wrote.

You’re wasting your time. I’m not going to agree to this revision of the conversation. And none of this distracts from your original mistake, claiming that sons would be better caretakers for an elderly mother than daughters. Trust me, sons are a completely inappropriate choice in this role.
 
Mark C said:
I say again:

Look in the Damn Mirror!!!!!
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I try but I keep getting distracted by my good looks. I know why the rest of you sound so silly when I talk to you. It must be so completely overwhelming that you can’t form coherent thoughts. It must be similar to a savage seeing a Michaelangelo statue for the first time…
 
The Revolting Man said:
I do understand the meaning of the plain text of what you wrote. It’s you who don’t, or rather you’re trying to obfuscate the meaning of the plain text of what you wrote.

You’re wasting your time. I’m not going to agree to this revision of the conversation. And none of this distracts from your original mistake, claiming that sons would be better caretakers for an elderly mother than daughters. Trust me, sons are a completely inappropriate choice in this role.
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bro.....
Read the last line of my first post on that...


Now, modern culture the way it is, sons may not do what they should so, give them sons and daughters and pray for the best outcome possible!

This is a FULL acknowledgement that today, sons are not likely to do what I believe they should do. This concedes the point that they are failing and that their daughters may be better for their long term care than their sons. The SONS should bear this responsibility but in today's culture, they have not been taught to do that.

I am advocating for men to be better, do better and fill their roles responsibility.

That is not a revision of the conversation. You are just refusing the truth...
 
The Revolting Man said:
I try but I keep getting distracted by my good looks. I know why the rest of you sound so silly when I talk to you. It must be so completely overwhelming that you can’t form coherent thoughts. It must be similar to a savage seeing a Michaelangelo statue for the first time…
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Man_in_the_Middle said:
bro.....
Read the last line of my first post on that...


Now, modern culture the way it is, sons may not do what they should so, give them sons and daughters and pray for the best outcome possible!

This is a FULL acknowledgement that today, sons are not likely to do what I believe they should do. This concedes the point that they are failing and that their daughters may be better for their long term care than their sons. The SONS should bear this responsibility but in today's culture, they have not been taught to do that.

I am advocating for men to be better, do better and fill their roles responsibility.

That is not a revision of the conversation. You are just refusing the truth...
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Bro, you have no idea what goes in to caring for elderly people. A son is a completely inappropriate choice for the role, certainly as it pertains to his mother. Just let it go. You were wrong. You said something silly, it wasn’t the first time and it won’t be the last. No one thinks less of you for it. Just don’t make it weird.
 
He was a little upset that I sanded off most of the finish, apparently it was some super duper historically accurate coating that was very difficult to achieve. It was very hard to remove.

I was gifting it to my son in law at my daughter’s wedding though and needed it to look like a wall hanger.
 
@Man_in_the_Middle

It's obvious son will leave their parents. Hard quiz: Which sex will ride into sunset seeking new adventure?

No, women aren't like Lara Croft. Men will do adventure thing.

So it falls upon daughters to look after their parents. Also, women are ones more interested into keeping family peace.
 
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The Revolting Man said:
You and Mark are going to be good friends.

The way to respond to the women here is to engage their ideas, not to spew scorn and insults. The two women you have engaged are very upfront about not being completely sold on everything that gets espoused here.

They don’t have to be sneered at with derogatory labels. They can and will defend themselves but I will set the guard rails. For you that means no calling them feminists. You can explain why an idea is feminist. Make your case.



No, to claim I was supposed to know that you were referring to society at large is wanting me to know your thoughts. You don’t get credit for your intentions, you get judged on your words. I’m not a mind reader and only a female dominated worldview would expect me to be. Take responsibility for your words and stop acting like you deserve extra consideration. If your words can’t be trusted why are you even engaged in a forum? You communicated poorly, again, and are acting like you’re the victim.
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I have gone back and reread every one of my posts. There is ONLY one that you could claim that I directly implicated someone as a feminists and I did so without directly calling her one. I was really calling out the idea that she was making as a concept founded in feminism in direct opposition to biblical families. I simply said that feminism had entered the conversation and then proceeded to point out that biblical families are patriarchal by design.

You were there and immediately responded with this:
The Revolting Man said:
@Maia has been with us for a while now. She is not a feminist.

Although I will say Maia, accusing someone of blue collar thinking would be considered a compliment to most of us.
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So, you have accused me of "spew scorn and insults" and after a full review, I have not done that in any of my posts. I have wrestled with ideas and concepts but have not attacked anyone. I have vigorously defended myself against your baseless claims and I am doing so again.

I challenge you so show quotes from me where I spewed scorn or insults. If I have done so anywhere, I will go to that person and make it right with them. I just don't think that you have a single thing to hold against me.
 
Man_in_the_Middle said:
I have gone back and reread every one of my posts. There is ONLY one that you could claim that I directly implicated someone as a feminists and I did so without directly calling her one. I was really calling out the idea that she was making as a concept founded in feminism in direct opposition to biblical families. I simply said that feminism had entered the conversation and then proceeded to point out that biblical families are patriarchal by design.

You were there and immediately responded with this:


So, you have accused me of "spew scorn and insults" and after a full review, I have not done that in any of my posts. I have wrestled with ideas and concepts but have not attacked anyone. I have vigorously defended myself against your baseless claims and I am doing so again.

I challenge you so show quotes from me where I spewed scorn or insults. If I have done so anywhere, I will go to that person and make it right with them. I just don't think that you have a single thing to hold against me.
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Alright then, you’re just going to have to accept that you have been maligned in your opinion. And you’re going to have to accept that I think you have not.

Enjoy the rest of the forum, don’t be thin skinned and don’t treat women like men.
 
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