History, Aliens and God

[cubanito]

The alien/ufo agenda has been getting pushed a bit harder lately. There was a man whose name was Wernher von Braun. He worked at NASA and was known as the 'father of space travel.' This is his tombstone today:

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If you look up Psalms 19:1 it says the following:
The heavens declare the glory of God; and the "firmament" shows His handiwork.

Allegedly - Von Braun warned someone about the future plans the controllers of the earth have. First it was going to be the Russians. Then it's going to be terrorists (this was before 9/11). Then it's going to be 3rd world countries. The card they'll play after that is the "Asteroid threat." After the asteroid threat is the final card. The final card is the UFO threat. All of this will be orchestrated, and manipulated against the public. This video below goes into much further detail if anyone is interested in giving it a watch:

Interesting argument, what if.. Would people still believe and obey many political control systems? How about the "trust the science mantra"?
Would more people realize God is real, just above the foot stool or firmament etc?
Would there be a world wide revival?
Curious stuff, at very least, more entertaining than many Hollywood shows. I think a movie should be made about it one day, what's the likelihood?, wonder it it would be considered sacrilegious even to the sci-fi industry and mainstream media?
So many curiosities..

 

[cubanito]

The alien/ufo agenda has been getting pushed a bit harder lately. There was a man whose name was Wernher von Braun. He worked at NASA and was known as the 'father of space travel.' This is his tombstone today:

View attachment 5245

If you look up Psalms 19:1 it says the following:
The heavens declare the glory of God; and the "firmament" shows His handiwork.

Allegedly - Von Braun warned someone about the future plans the controllers of the earth have. First it was going to be the Russians. Then it's going to be terrorists (this was before 9/11). Then it's going to be 3rd world countries. The card they'll play after that is the "Asteroid threat." After the asteroid threat is the final card. The final card is the UFO threat. All of this will be orchestrated, and manipulated against the public. This video below goes into much further detail if anyone is interested in giving it a watch:

Are these "trust the science" heretics allowed in you tube? I guess people will flag it and it will be removed. Same with people countering COVID narrative, wonder if it's somehow coupled, same control?
Pizza earth is not safe and effective, dangerous to whom? Funny cat videos and fails are safe. Trans mutilation influencers are totally ok. Weird..

 

[OttoM]

Proverbs 9:10
“The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom."

2 Corinthians 4:4
Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe.

Satan is the god of this present world. He's the ruler of this present world. He controls the public education, the college institutions, the politicians, the mainstream media (including fox news), the religions of the world, the united nations, the world governments, the medicine/food industry, and so many other things.

We're to expose the darkness. That's Ephesians 5:11. Satan has used public indoctrination to condition us to believe in satan's model of the universe versus what the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob says:

Psalms 104:5
He established the earth on its foundations, So that it will not be moved forever and ever.

Joshua 10:13
So the sun stood still, And the moon stopped moving.

With Satan what is up is down. What is down is up. So if the God of the heavens and earth says polygamy is acceptable. Satan will say monogamy only. If the God of the Bible says a male is male. A female is female. The man is to marry the female. Male and male sexual relations is an abomination to the LORD. Satan says the female is a male. The male is a female. Homosexuals should be celebrated, so we'll dedicate an entire month to them under the "Rainbow Logo." Why did YAH destroy the earth with a flood? Because of the abominations the humans were doing. That is exactly what pride month is - a celebration of abominations, and satan purposely has them use the rainbow logo for the mocking effect.

Likewise - the same is done with our concept of the universe. God says the earth stands still. The moon and sun move around us. Satan says the sun is the center of creation, and we move around the sun. Once again - it's the perversion of the truth. Satan controls the money supply. He can spend billions and billions of dollars into this lie. Billions of US Taxpayer dollars go into NASA to push forward a lie. How's that for great use of taxpayer money? Of course - it's also through hollywood. Movies and tv shows also promote this deception. Then you have public education. All of this is blended together. Why? Because satan is the god of this present world. He has that control. Remember he promised Lord Jesus every little thing if he bowed down to him. Satan is giving this same promise to the sons of men. But the word of God still stands. Jesus stood on the word of God. He didn't give satan an inch.

Which church out there is speaking the truth on the stationary earth, and biblical patriarchy unit? I don't believe there is not one. Someone might say - what's the big deal about the globe earth versus stationary earth? It's a big deal. Number one - it might lead to blessings and more spiritual truths from YAH. Number two - a person's faith can be completely changed when they believe God isn't a trillion miles away from us. My prayers don't have to go so far away. It's written in Isaiah God's throne is above the earth. He sees us like little grasshoppers:

Isaiah 40:22
It is the LORD who sits above the circle of the earth. And compared to him, people are like grasshoppers.

Perhaps if the world knew we were locked inside a stationary flat earth - they wouldn't sin so much they are right now. They would believe in a God. They would seek him better. But this present world system - with a trillion stars - a trillion planets - we came monkeys - it makes life seem random and in-significant. All of a sudden - what difference does it make if you shoot another man or steal his wife? We just came from monkeys at the end of the day. That's satan logo - Do as thou wilts. We're dealing with an angelic being that has been deceiving since the garden. He was a great deceiver in the garden. But that great deceiver has also had thousands of years of practice. Then you give him the internet, all forms of media, and public education. It's no wonder how the world has fallen into so much error.

 

[cubanito]

Proverbs 9:10
“The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom."

2 Corinthians 4:4
Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe.

Satan is the god of this present world. He's the ruler of this present world. He controls the public education, the college institutions, the politicians, the mainstream media (including fox news), the religions of the world, the united nations, the world governments, the medicine/food industry, and so many other things.

We're to expose the darkness. That's Ephesians 5:11. Satan has used public indoctrination to condition us to believe in satan's model of the universe versus what the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob says:

Psalms 104:5
He established the earth on its foundations, So that it will not be moved forever and ever.

Joshua 10:13
So the sun stood still, And the moon stopped moving.

With Satan what is up is down. What is down is up. So if the God of the heavens and earth says polygamy is acceptable. Satan will say monogamy only. If the God of the Bible says a male is male. A female is female. The man is to marry the female. Male and male sexual relations is an abomination to the LORD. Satan says the female is a male. The male is a female. Homosexuals should be celebrated, so we'll dedicate an entire month to them under the "Rainbow Logo." Why did YAH destroy the earth with a flood? Because of the abominations the humans were doing. That is exactly what pride month is - a celebration of abominations, and satan purposely has them use the rainbow logo for the mocking effect.

Likewise - the same is done with our concept of the universe. God says the earth stands still. The moon and sun move around us. Satan says the sun is the center of creation, and we move around the sun. Once again - it's the perversion of the truth. Satan controls the money supply. He can spend billions and billions of dollars into this lie. Billions of US Taxpayer dollars go into NASA to push forward a lie. How's that for great use of taxpayer money? Of course - it's also through hollywood. Movies and tv shows also promote this deception. Then you have public education. All of this is blended together. Why? Because satan is the god of this present world. He has that control. Remember he promised Lord Jesus every little thing if he bowed down to him. Satan is giving this same promise to the sons of men. But the word of God still stands. Jesus stood on the word of God. He didn't give satan an inch.

Which church out there is speaking the truth on the stationary earth, and biblical patriarchy unit? I don't believe there is not one. Someone might say - what's the big deal about the globe earth versus stationary earth? It's a big deal. Number one - it might lead to blessings and more spiritual truths from YAH. Number two - a person's faith can be completely changed when they believe God isn't a trillion miles away from us. My prayers don't have to go so far away. It's written in Isaiah God's throne is above the earth. He sees us like little grasshoppers:

Isaiah 40:22
It is the LORD who sits above the circle of the earth. And compared to him, people are like grasshoppers.

Perhaps if the world knew we were locked inside a stationary flat earth - they wouldn't sin so much they are right now. They would believe in a God. They would seek him better. But this present world system - with a trillion stars - a trillion planets - we came monkeys - it makes life seem random and in-significant. All of a sudden - what difference does it make if you shoot another man or steal his wife? We just came from monkeys at the end of the day. That's satan logo - Do as thou wilts. We're dealing with an angelic being that has been deceiving since the garden. He was a great deceiver in the garden. But that great deceiver has also had thousands of years of practice. Then you give him the internet, all forms of media, and public education. It's no wonder how the world has fallen into so much error.

Interesting points.. Some would say God created the slime that created the monkeys that created the governments. Church is confused and should remember their monkeys. Land of confusion. Now we have "non binary" sterilizing trans / anti human agendas too, the new "trust the science".
Most church was told it's non essential and they had to admit, obey and roll over, and most did. What's that saying about it's discernment and fortitude? Why is it so beast compliant?
First church met underground knowing it was illegal and they could be killed by beastie or ancient big brother. What changed?

 

[MemeFan]

Satan will say monogamy only.

This is probably plan D.

Plan A - all humans dead.
Plan B - celibacy forever
Plan C - being trans is soo cool

Not certain in ordering B and C

 

[Tamara]

This is probably plan D.

Plan A - all humans dead.
Plan B - celibacy forever
Plan C - being trans is soo cool

Not certain in ordering B and C

Was all humans dead ever on the table?? Plan B, C and probable D are increased levels of suffering. Perfect world for the adversary. Eating suffering for dinner in a sense. Dead people do not suffer in the flesh. Seems the suffering on this planet in mind, body and spirit would be the goal.

 

[steve]

Was all humans dead ever on the table?? Plan B, C and probable D are increased levels of suffering. Perfect world for the adversary. Eating suffering for dinner in a sense. Dead people do not suffer in the flesh. Seems the suffering on this planet in mind, body and spirit would be the goal.

Satan’s plan is for everything to be the opposite of what Yah wants, with the exception of a unified world government, but under his leadership.

 

[MemeFan]

Satan’s plan is for everything to be the opposite of what Yah wants, with the exception of a unified world government, but under his leadership.

I doubt world government under Christ would be unified.

There will be His Supreme court and probably lots of polities. I don't see anywhere in Bible that Lord has given up on His idea of many nations.

And nations don't like to share laws. They prefer their own rules. So there will basics in common, rest like details of what makes contract right could be left to people.

 

[steve]

I doubt world government under Christ would be unified.

There will be His Supreme court and probavly lots of polities. I don't see anywhere in Bible that Lord has given up on His idea of many nations.

And nations don't like to share laws. They prefer their own rules. So there will basics in common, rest like details of what makes contract right could be left to people.

If Yeshua is the head of all nations, then all nations will be brought into uniform agreement.

 

[MemeFan]

If Yeshua is the head of all nations, then all nations will be brought into uniform agreement.

Only if Lord legislates every detail and everyone lives as slave under 100% control.

I don't see this happening. So people will still be making decisions which will cause disagreements.

Need for courts and law comes naturally from interactions between people and because people have free will and scarcity in world.

Even in heaven scarcity will still exist. Can 2 people be on same spot? No, so some spots will be more valuable than others.

 

[steve]

Only if Lord legislates every detail and everyone lives as slave under 100% control.

You are looking at the situation without understanding the difference between a world in which the god of this age is running rampant, and a world where he has been removed from power/influence.

 

[MeganC]

Was all humans dead ever on the table??

Yes. It is.

Voluntary Human Extinction Movement - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Tamara]

Yes. It is.

Voluntary Human Extinction Movement - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Appreciate the link! Yay another rabbit trail. What a tangled web!

Eta: this movement itself certainly increases suffering - hatred of self and of humanity in general will do that, while not actually making any progress on the goal at all - which of course Satan knows - humans won't go extinct. All that matters is the suffering - same crap different day and different name.

 

[MemeFan]

You are looking at the situation without understanding the difference between a world in which the god of this age is running rampant, and a world where he has been removed from power/influence.

Wrong. It doesn't matter what Satan is doing.

My conclusions come from pure logic. I remember reading article by transportation consultant. He started with basic assumptions, basically borts (his term for abstract people) will need bortmobiles. Then following just geometry and nothing else he derived how modern transportation works.

Just pure logic and geometry. He maybe didn't noticed, but he also described transport system in heaven which will be similar to our. Why? Geometry. Unless Lord changes geometry itself we can know how transportation will work.

For my conclusion one of following things must be true.

First is scarcity in economic sense which means that people must choose, in other words everybody can't have everything.

Think a little. Lord decides to visit some place and make a speech. Unless we all get ghost bodies, not everybody can be near Lord. See scarcity. And how to resolved conflict who gets nearest Lord? It is scarcity itself which generates need for court because must have conflict resolution system which scarcity generates.

Second in people having personality which means they can be carbon copy of each other. And off course, every personality must it's own specific values. So how to resolve situation when in same room finish party maker and party pooper? See, a conflict again.

With humans conflict comes "with package". Only ants with hive-mind can, maybe, live without conflict.

Existence of nations only requires preference for in-group people. Then people with similar values will naturally seek each other and want to live together which will produce different customs and laws.

And even without preference for in-group, there will be differents methods for confict resolution. People who prefer same methods of conflict resolution will naturally prefer being together because it make cooperation easily. Again, result is different customs and laws.

Yes, basic laws will be same, rest can be very variable. Why would Lord specify everything. C'mon, now law code would be in million+ pages. Instead I expect from Lord less pages, less rules covering more areas.

Men like variety in women. And since man is made on Lord picture, maybe this attribute is inherited from Lord Himself. Maybe, maybe He likes variety in people?

 

[MemeFan]

Was all humans dead ever on the table?? Plan B, C and probable D are increased levels of suffering. Perfect world for the adversary. Eating suffering for dinner in a sense. Dead people do not suffer in the flesh. Seems the suffering on this planet in mind, body and spirit would be the goal.

Why are you suprised?

Humans are loved by Lord and are His special crestion. I would say that is reason Satan hates us soo much. It would be his enjoyment to eradicate Lord little special pleasure.

 

[Tamara]

Wrong. It doesn't matter what Satan is doing.

My conclusions come from pure logic. I remember reading article by transportation consultant. He started with basic assumptions, basically borts (his term for abstract people) will need bortmobiles. Then following just geometry and nothing else he derived how modern transportation works.

Just pure logic and geometry. He maybe didn't noticed, but he also described transport system in heaven which will be similar to our. Why? Geometry. Unless Lord changes geometry itself we can know how transportation will work.

For my conclusion one of following things must be true.

First is scarcity in economic sense which means that people must choose, in other words everybody can't have everything.

Think a little. Lord decides to visit some place and make a speech. Unless we all get ghost bodies, not everybody can be near Lord. See scarcity. And how to resolved conflict who gets nearest Lord? It is scarcity itself which generates need for court because must have conflict resolution system which scarcity generates.

Second in people having personality which means they can be carbon copy of each other. And off course, every personality must it's own specific values. So how to resolve situation when in same room finish party maker and party pooper? See, a conflict again.

With humans conflict comes "with package". Only ants with hive-mind can, maybe, live without conflict.

Existence of nations only requires preference for in-group people. Then people with similar values will naturally seek each other and want to live together which will produce different customs and laws.

And even without preference for in-group, there will be differents methods for confict resolution. People who prefer same methods of conflict resolution will naturally prefer being together because it make cooperation easily. Again, result is different customs and laws.

Yes, basic laws will be same, rest can be very variable. Why would Lord specify everything. C'mon, now law code would be in million+ pages. Instead I expect from Lord less pages, less rules covering more areas.

Men like variety in women. And since man is made on Lord picture, maybe this attribute is inherited from Lord Himself. Maybe, maybe He likes variety in people?

Less rules covering more areas makes sense. Spirit of the law kind of thing instead of letter of the law is how I see it I guess. Is quantum physics seen as unbiblical? Bc that could explain how everyone could see him speak and/or be there to see him speak. Why is conflict seen as bad? It's basically just working to solve a problem. There is a lot of satisfaction in solving problems. More intimacy and togetherness after the fact and more trust. Those are just my thoughts. I do not really have any links to back anything up, just pondering. Glad for the conversation.

 

[Tamara]

Why are you suprised?

Humans are loved by Lord and are His special crestion. I would say that is reason Satan hates us soo much. It would be his enjoyment to eradicate Lord little special pleasure.

No, I totally get that we are hated. Torturing a person's loved one would be much worse than killing them. That's what I meant.

 

[MemeFan]

Less rules covering more areas makes sense. Spirit of the law kind of thing instead of letter of the law is how I see it I guess.

Sort of. Details matter in particular legal case. Hungry homeless food thief is different case than rich kid stealing cocaine.

Is quantum physics seen as unbiblical? Bc that could explain how everyone could see him speak and/or be there to see him speak.

No quantum physics or techno magic needed. Front row seat would be more valuable than seat of row first from behind. Same as for any event today.

Why is conflict seen as bad?

Didn't claim that. Only that it must exist.

Problem with conflict is that violence is also conflict resolution method.

 

[steve]

Wrong. It doesn't matter what Satan is doing.

My conclusions come from pure logic. I remember reading article by transportation consultant. He started with basic assumptions, basically borts (his term for abstract people) will need bortmobiles. Then following just geometry and nothing else he derived how modern transportation works.

Just pure logic and geometry. He maybe didn't noticed, but he also described transport system in heaven which will be similar to our. Why? Geometry. Unless Lord changes geometry itself we can know how transportation will work.

For my conclusion one of following things must be true.

First is scarcity in economic sense which means that people must choose, in other words everybody can't have everything.

Think a little. Lord decides to visit some place and make a speech. Unless we all get ghost bodies, not everybody can be near Lord. See scarcity. And how to resolved conflict who gets nearest Lord? It is scarcity itself which generates need for court because must have conflict resolution system which scarcity generates.

Second in people having personality which means they can be carbon copy of each other. And off course, every personality must it's own specific values. So how to resolve situation when in same room finish party maker and party pooper? See, a conflict again.

With humans conflict comes "with package". Only ants with hive-mind can, maybe, live without conflict.

Existence of nations only requires preference for in-group people. Then people with similar values will naturally seek each other and want to live together which will produce different customs and laws.

And even without preference for in-group, there will be differents methods for confict resolution. People who prefer same methods of conflict resolution will naturally prefer being together because it make cooperation easily. Again, result is different customs and laws.

Yes, basic laws will be same, rest can be very variable. Why would Lord specify everything. C'mon, now law code would be in million+ pages. Instead I expect from Lord less pages, less rules covering more areas.

Men like variety in women. And since man is made on Lord picture, maybe this attribute is inherited from Lord Himself. Maybe, maybe He likes variety in people?

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[MeganC]

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