How much money should I be making before I get married?

[Heavens Declare]

I am a 60 year old conservative. Married 42 years. Ordained minister 28 years. Greta is a complete idiote. It's nearly impossible to discuss biblical marriage without torah discussion.

I have been discussing it for 9 years without any Torah discussion whatsoever. If what you are saying were true, I would reject polygyny.

 

[Heavens Declare]

It's kinda like Maduro... Maduro was the thought leader. If you support Madurio, you are not harassed. If you thought differently, your thoughts may just.... disappear. Everyone gets the message, don't oppose Maduro!

Oh what I would give for a President Trump!!

Well if you know the boundaries that have been set on this forum, and you insist on straying outside the boundaries, what ends up happening is the thread gets locked, and EVERYONE's posts get deleted. How hard is it for you to either keep your posts in their designated allotted space or create your own forum where you can debate this until you are blue in the face? I am a member of the Intense Biblical Discussions Facebook group and I can't stand half the opinions that are shared there, so I ignore it, but that is a forum where you can discuss ANYTHING controversial. Have at it!

 

[The Revolting Man]

Mojo, I get this point. It is valid to point out the privately owned aspect of the forum BUT! This forum is a PUBLIC facing forum based on the premise of being focused on the biblical view of families. The forum claims to advocate for bible based concepts and ideals surrounding the topic of marriage.

It is our bible based conversations that are being moderated away because some powerful voices and admins advocate for ignoring bible concepts that lead many of us to believe in the patriarchy. Explaining how we come to believe that is verboten. I posted in this thread a list of bible verses showing why we believe the commandments of God are the foundation of our beliefs and did so without any chiding or condemnation toward others. That post was deleted.

That is the frustration that many of us feel around this issue. I am NOT claiming that we should have the freedom to blast others into believing the same way we do. I do not believe that it is our job to force anyone to believe anything. The bible says that the word of God is perfect for converting souls. - Psalms 19:7

I do believe that the word of God supports the idea of us being obedient to his ways according to our understanding of it.
For example, those that do not believe that they need to keep sabbath, because they do not yet see that they should, that if I am correct that it is a sin, that sin would be considered a sin of ignorance for them and it will be covered by the Day of Atonement sin offering done by the High Priest. That is his mercy at work for all of us that are in him.

This means that many of us will be doing things correctly in one area and incorrectly in another area as we learn and grow in our knowledge of God. Obedience does not imply that we know all things already. Obedience means that we obey that which our eyes have been opened to seeing.

That is God's mercy at work.

We are taught to search out the scriptures to know God. We are to test everything and learn of him and his ways.

I believe strongly that there will be those of us that thought we were doing things correctly and when full truth comes, we will be humbled to discover that we were not doing some of those things the way God intended us to. But for those of us whose hearts are humble before him, he will pardon us because we will immediately begin doing his will once it is revealed too us. That shows our love towards him.

I do not believe that Myself or anyone else on here is the Oracle that everyone needs to bow down and follow. We are fellow believers and I am sure we are getting some things wrong also. It is pride that would make us think that we know it all.

That said, the scripture does teach us to sharpen each other as iron sharpens iron.
Pro_27:17 Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.

I quoted OT just now so this post may not last long... I pray though that you see this and understand where I am coming from.

Shalom...

I am sorry sir, but you are bordering on slander. No post in the history of this forum has ever been deleted for quoting the Old Testament. I have quoted the Old Testament extensively on this forum for 15 years now and while I have had multitudinous posts deleted, it was never once for quoting the Old Testament.

You can tie whatever topic touching on marriage and patriarchy to whatever teacher, book, concept denomination or crazed lunatic you prefer. The restrictions on certain discussions on this forum are to prevent two things; advocating for or against any one denominational stance.

You will not be allowed to make any statement that even implies that others shouldn’t believe wha you believe and no one else will be allowed to tell you not to believe what you believe.

You know full well that issue isn’t the Old Testament. The issue is keyboard warriors on both sides who are so far up on the spectrum they can’t even comprehend that anyone wouldn’t believe what they believe. But there are some astoundingly wrong people on both sides who are incapable of accepting that they will never convert anyone else to their way of thinking. There is no resolution to the problem. We have tried everything. Nothing worked.

So this imperfect solution is the best that we have. Yes, iron can sharpen iron but it can also blunt it. The Torah debate was blunting . We weren’t sharpening each other, we were hammering each other.

And this dogged attempt to misrepresent the real reasons for the prohibition is simply further proof that the prohibition is a necessary evil.

So, talk about the Old Testament as much as possible. Tie your practice of patriarchy to your Torah keeping. Do not even hint at the idea that you might possibly think that someone else should follow your way or they are somehow getting it wrong.

Thread is locked. Let’s move on.