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Lucifer (Satan) is Monogamous

Otto

Otto

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1 John 5:19
We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.

James 4:4
4 You adulterers! Don’t you realize that friendship with the world makes you an enemy of God? I say it again: If you want to be a friend of the world, you make yourself an enemy of God.

"If the world hates you - know that the world hated me FIRST." - The Messiah - KING of KINGS and LORD of LORDS.

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First on the firing range is the state of israel:

1. In the state of Israel it's a criminal offense to be engaged in polygyny. It's a felony and comes with a prison sentence.

2. in the United states of America - it's also a criminal offense and a felony.

3. In the 27 member-states of the European Union - it's also a criminal offense and a felony.

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In the Netflix tv show called "Lucifer" - Lucifer (satan) starts off as a man that likes to sleep around with a lot of women. However, later in his character development he leaves that lifestyle behind and falls in love. Lucifer 100% commits to monogamy at the end of the show.
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THE LION OF YAHUDAH (Judah):


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The parable that Nathan the prophet gave to King David gave the reason why Uriah only had one wife. He was poor. We know Joseph was also not wealthy due to the sacrifice he made at the temple.

So not being wealthy is a righteous reason why a man would not pursue more wives.

What's another righteous reason for a man not to pursue more wives? Lack of wives that are equally yoked. That's a righteous reason.
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What about husbands that meet YAH's requirements - have just one wife - but refuse to add additional wives? Below are the reasons:

1. Feminists - In active rebellion against YAH's commandments (Not just be fruitful and multiply - but also headship). Rebellion is what got Lucifer kicked out of heaven along with 33% of the fallen angels. Example: They will say - "If I can have two wives, then my wife can have two husbands." WRONG! The wife would be in violation of Leviticus 20:10. The husband would not be in any violation as long as he did it according to the Creator's regulations.
2. Closet homosexuals.
3. Closet pedophiles.
4. Hypocrites/Deceivers/Liars. For example, they will preach monogamy only, but watch porn and/or sleep with other women behind the wife's back. Or they will divorce and re-marry. Continue this trend over and over.
5. Financial reasons (love of money).
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If a believer and teacher of the Gospel is preaching against biblical polygyny - then he is in violation of James 4:4. He is an adulterer serving a different master.
 
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Otto said:
hat about husbands that meet YAH's requirements - have just one wife - but refuse to add additional wives? Below are the reasons:
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I would push back here. It’s completely acceptable for a man to be deliberately monogamous. There is no command to polygyny. Just because you’re capable and qualified to take another wife doesn’t mean you have to.
 
The Revolting Man said:
I would push back here. It’s completely acceptable for a man to be deliberately monogamous. There is no command to polygyny. Just because you’re capable and qualified to take another wife doesn’t mean you have to.
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I listed specific reasons why certain men might “choose” not to. I do believe those reasons are applicable for the “vast majority” of monogamous men.

But I will contend there’s a small percentage of men that know the truth, but simply choose not to pursue additional wives for the purpose of providing - washing clean with the Word - and bearing children. It’s not a direct commandment.

And just because a man has several wives - that doesn’t disqualify him from being a pastor in his older age. If he managed his household well with several wives - then that fruit speaks for itself. But if he can’t even manage one wife, then he has no business being a pastor.
 
The Revolting Man said:
Interesting post. I’d like to see this idea of Lucifer being monogamous developed.
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2 Corin 11:14
And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.

So Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it makes sense he uses a different name for himself. Lucifer means “light bearer.” But internally, his doctrines will also masquerade as being the light. For example, equality and prescribed monogamy.

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Malachi 3:6
“I the LORD (YHVH) do not change. So you, the descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed.

Hebrews 13:8
Jesus (Yahoshua) Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

Why is it so important to have a Creator that does not change? It’s so his children can discern the real from the fake. The Real one is the eternal Rock. He is the everlasting and perfect light.

So if a messiah shows up - with great signs and wonders - who may even call himself the Christ and declares to be God - but if he preaches doctrines that go against the Creator’s perfect instructions (Isaiah 8:20), then you’re looking at a counterfeit.

Paul prophesied in 2nd Thessalonians that before the true Messiah returns there will be a great falling away first; and they will be deceived to follow Satan - who will be revealed with great wonders and miracles. This will be the will of the Most High, because they did not have a love for the truth.


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There’s a book one can read on the subject:

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All the leading member states of the United Nations are strictly monogamy only:

Permanent Security Council Members (P5): China, France, Russia, the United Kingdom, and the United States. They hold veto power over substantive resolutions.

It’s illegal in all those nations - considered a felony. Yet, some of these nations will allow homosexual marriages.
 
We have a book around here whose title I cannot remember that gets into the back story of Lucifer. Supposedly Lucifer was at one point a good angel who thought he could do a better job than God. Lucifer's punishment was multifold, he was set apart from the presence of God and he was condemned to commit evil because it tortured him when his desire was to do good in order to gain glory for himself.

I saw a few episodes of the Lucifer TV show and it had him as a more or less happy and congenial guy. Which is a total lie.
 
The Lucifer show is based on DC comic's Lucifer, itself a spinoff from the Vertigo Sandman comic series.

Sandman is a long-running adult Gothic horror series in which pagan gods all sort of come and go from earth and have a lot of dysfunctional relationships. Most of the story is either split between episodic issues with a human character having a slice-of-life atheistic or pagan spiritual experience, or sometimes focused on the main character the Sandman. He is one of the first created beings before all the lower-g gods. Interestingly, Yahweh / the Christian Creator does exist in this series but He never appears.

In the fourth major storyline Morpheus / the Sandman - who is a major narcissist - has been confronted with fact that when he threw an ex girlfriend in Hell as punishment for breaking up with him thousands of years ago, that this was a very wicked thing for him to do. So he puts on all his weird armor and psyches himself up for a battle with Satan, and goes to hell to save her. But a trick has been played on him. Satan wants to quit, and he gives Morpheus the key to Hell, naming him the new ruler of Hell.

That's kind of the setup for the later Satan series from Vertigo. He's traveling the earth trying to "find himself." Even as a worldly young man in rebellion I refused to purchase that spinoff.

Basically the Sandman series is about mythology, storytelling in general, the idea of fiction versus reality. It's a big literary vehicle for late 80s progressive politics and gay culture and especially pantheism, egalitarianism, and self-identity worship.

The author is Neil Gaiman who was once a literary hero is mine, a long time ago. I skipped seeing him when he came to Denver for a speaking tour. All my peers in the industry went though, and were floored by him. Then a few years later he became anathema and a progressive heretic when he got "me-too-ed" by a younger female fan he slept with.

Ironically in a way when I read the full story of that tawdry exchange it didn't seem very surprising or bad to me. I read his side, her side... she just wanted to get laid by the famous author she adored then when she achieved her goal (after weeks of baiting him at his house under his wife's nose) she flipped a switch and went nuts to the media on him. Ah, the me-too era. And now no young men want anything to do with the women.
 
The Revolting Man said:
I would push back here. It’s completely acceptable for a man to be deliberately monogamous. There is no command to polygyny. Just because you’re capable and qualified to take another wife doesn’t mean you have to.
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Your damn Skippy it doesn't mean you have to

I am as eager for more kids as any guy you will encounter, but I was offered a much younger woman on a proverbial platter a while back who made the claim that all she wanted in life was loads of kids and she was ready for me to pick her up right that moment and to get started on the project immediately.

So my contention is that while there are certainly those of us who can manage a family with multiple wives, does not mean that we have to necessarily be willing with women who would not be a match for us or our existing family.
 
Otto said:
I listed specific reasons why certain men might “choose” not to. I do believe those reasons are applicable for the “vast majority” of monogamous men.
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I just read a terrible pulp article about a woman who had "escaped" a "cult" of polygamy. Super lame....it was a woman in her 30s who had grown up in a Mormon funny family with 4 moms. Boo frickety hoo.

Do please imagine the degree to which I am scoffing at the notion of growing up in a big happy family and having extra moms to teach, care for and love you. The absolute horror apparently.

The real point of my reply is the comment section of the article was nothing but the standard tired meme of guys expressing the feeling of "I can barely handle one woman", "it would only be fun for one night" and "who would want more than one wife" etc etc.

Sure...great, got it. You don’t want more than one wife. Thing is, a close second to the don't want to live polygamy opinion in my experience is the inevitable bit about how many wives/girlfriend one has had in a string of serial monogamy relationships.
 
frederick said:
Why does the, "Super lame...." not surprise any of us here?
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I am sure lots of people have genuine negative experience growing up in polygamy but so what? Lots of people have negative thoughts about their childhood whether their parents were plygs or monogamy was on the menu or parents were not in the equation at all.

What annoys me about lots of the sensationalist stories is when you see that this person who is not just an adult but no longer in the bloom of youth has "escaped ".
Please
Because apparently all the readers are bound to be as credulous as the ax grinding author presumes.
Tedious to say the least
 
paterfamilias said:
I am sure lots of people have genuine negative experience growing up in polygamy but so what? Lots of people have negative thoughts about their childhood whether their parents were plygs or monogamy was on the menu or parents were not in the equation at all.
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So... an interesting thing has happened. I've found out that one of the young men I'm mentoring is actually the grandson of Warren Jeffs. He was a child when Jeffs was arrested and grew up on that compound until he ran away.

He was making jokes about polygyny. He is sort of in the extended orbit of some of the polygyny drama I experienced in January. So, naturally at first I thought maybe he heard about that and was mocking me or something. Egocentric much?

In the last week or two we've been talking about it more. While his childhood on the Warren Jeffs compound was traumatizing (my view, not his words), his relationship with his dad sounds good. He hates his grandpa but his practicing polygynist father he likes and respects.

After hearing the stories for a week and reading up on that whole evil mess, I can confidently state that none of the men on that compound were observing Biblical polygyny. It was very abusive. They were behaving the opposite of Torah and the opposite of the Ten Commandments entirely. Adultery, dissolution of families, child abuse. It sounds like a demonic imitation of Biblical polygyny.
 
Off-Grid Artist said:
I can confidently state that none of the men on that compound were observing Biblical polygyny. It was very abusive. They were behaving the opposite of Torah and the opposite of the Ten Commandments entirely. Adultery, dissolution of families, child abuse. It sounds like a demonic imitation of Biblical polygyny.
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The enemy tempts people to do it in wrong ways in order to cast doubt on the legitimacy of the lifestyle.
 
Off-Grid Artist said:
So... an interesting thing has happened. I've found out that one of the young men I'm mentoring is actually the grandson of Warren Jeffs. He was a child when Jeffs was arrested and grew up on that compound until he ran away.

He was making jokes about polygyny. He is sort of in the extended orbit of some of the polygyny drama I experienced in January. So, naturally at first I thought maybe he heard about that and was mocking me or something. Egocentric much?

In the last week or two we've been talking about it more. While his childhood on the Warren Jeffs compound was traumatizing (my view, not his words), his relationship with his dad sounds good. He hates his grandpa but his practicing polygynist father he likes and respects.

After hearing the stories for a week and reading up on that whole evil mess, I can confidently state that none of the men on that compound were observing Biblical polygyny. It was very abusive. They were behaving the opposite of Torah and the opposite of the Ten Commandments entirely. Adultery, dissolution of families, child abuse. It sounds like a demonic imitation of Biblical polygyny.
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That sort of scenario I can see people getting bent about but I tend to reject those examples when people are talking about polygamy generally as my hope and expectation is that the normal polygamist families far outnumber the culty abusive weirdo types.
The family with two wives and four kids in the suburbs where he has a boring job in the tech sector, one of the wives works remotely in a ubiquitous remote email and zoom job and the other does housewife and student gig just is not going to garner clicks or get you to watch a salacious news story.

The thing is, I suspect that most plyg families are simply not interesting or controversial or full of enough drama to be interesting to read about.
Family, neighbors, friends and coworkers all lost interest in my being a polygamy guy almost immediately The the couple who asked questions lost interest as soon as they got it to click in their head. Learning that No...I am not talking about the retarded degenerate "poly" people who have usurped our prefix and that no I am in no way living an open marriage or part of some sort of sex party group completely killed all interest.
'Oh...so you just have two wives. Ok, well that is kinda weird but sure. I couldn't do that. I can barely handle one blah blah blah.'

I would prefer to see a more realistic profile or two about women who went into plural marriage with their eyes open and who are glad they found the right family.
There are obvious benefits which apparently women don't tend to consider since it is always about some sort of culty abusive crap in what they are told.
Would love to see articles about women who
- want to be moms
- like the idea of a sister and friend supporting them
- thinks walking into an established system and not needing to struggle to create their own from scratch sounds nice
- wants the sort of guy who is genuinely not scared of commitment and who is marriage/family focused
- not sure if they want to go to school or would prefer to develop a home based business or any number of options but wants the opportunity to live a life and decide rather than be told to get your ass to university now and then straight into being a cog in a corporate machine
- likes the idea of some security and find the whole girl out there in the world meme to be a lonely and depressing idea.

Lots of straightforward benefits are far more interesting to me than hearing about the small number of weirdos.
 
paterfamilias said:
That sort of scenario I can see people getting bent about but I tend to reject those examples when people are talking about polygamy generally as my hope and expectation is that the normal polygamist families far outnumber the culty abusive weirdo types.
The family with two wives and four kids in the suburbs where he has a boring job in the tech sector, one of the wives works remotely in a ubiquitous remote email and zoom job and the other does housewife and student gig just is not going to garner clicks or get you to watch a salacious news story.

The thing is, I suspect that most plyg families are simply not interesting or controversial or full of enough drama to be interesting to read about.
Family, neighbors, friends and coworkers all lost interest in my being a polygamy guy almost immediately The the couple who asked questions lost interest as soon as they got it to click in their head. Learning that No...I am not talking about the retarded degenerate "poly" people who have usurped our prefix and that no I am in no way living an open marriage or part of some sort of sex party group completely killed all interest.
'Oh...so you just have two wives. Ok, well that is kinda weird but sure. I couldn't do that. I can barely handle one blah blah blah.'

I would prefer to see a more realistic profile or two about women who went into plural marriage with their eyes open and who are glad they found the right family.
There are obvious benefits which apparently women don't tend to consider since it is always about some sort of culty abusive crap in what they are told.
Would love to see articles about women who
- want to be moms
- like the idea of a sister and friend supporting them
- thinks walking into an established system and not needing to struggle to create their own from scratch sounds nice
- wants the sort of guy who is genuinely not scared of commitment and who is marriage/family focused
- not sure if they want to go to school or would prefer to develop a home based business or any number of options but wants the opportunity to live a life and decide rather than be told to get your ass to university now and then straight into being a cog in a corporate machine
- likes the idea of some security and find the whole girl out there in the world meme to be a lonely and depressing idea.

Lots of straightforward benefits are far more interesting to me than hearing about the small number of weirdos.
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My wife found a couple of ladies on Youtube that represent that calm, eyes wide open kinda relationship you are describing. They discuss it over tea in their chats that they share with the world...
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The Alldredge Adventure

Share your videos with friends, family, and the world
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This is the type of content that I think is normalizing....
 
Man_in_the_Middle said:
This is the type of content that I think is normalizing..
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I watched a couple of their videos. Liked them! Thank you!

I don't think I could do that (share my life on YouTube). I do feel like we have a normal family. All adults who chose this. Our community....and newest daughter in law might have all been a bit surprised at how normal it is. ...especially for our children. They all get along like normal siblings (our youngest and my sw's oldest are best friends) and absolutely accept and love the little ones. My oldest son has three little ones of his own. The aunt and uncle are actually younger than the nephew.

Big family dynamics!
 
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