Yes, in many significant ways, Western Civilization is built on a bedrock of soft sandstone. The Founders of our country had to look much further and wider than just to the Greeks to come up with their conceptions of a democratic Republic (including to the 5 tribes of New York, by the way). Pure democracy only sounded good in the beginning because only a select few were considered worthy of participating. Once it gets opened up fully, it just becomes mob rule. It also leads to socialism, despotism, tyranny and totalitarianism, because the lazy will vote themselves unearned benefits. Monogamy-only is just relationship socialism with a dress on.Wasn't the Greeks also the promoters of democracy? Wouldn't the democratic mind set also promote the monogamy position because it wouldn't be right for those good-looking powerful rich guys to have access to more women than I have access to.
Plural relationships still thrive today. I had a brother-in-law, married with children, and it was a good loving household. No real issues. He also had a girlfriend on the side and would see her regularly. The brother-in-Law’s knew of her and had met her. Most of the extended family knew about her. But the wife acted like she knew nothing.Wasn't the Greeks also the promoters of democracy? Wouldn't the democratic mind set also promote the monogamy position because it wouldn't be right for those good-looking powerful rich guys to have access to more women than I have access to.
Exactly, Biblical = covenant relationship that is not to be broken.Plural relationships still thrive today. I had a brother-in-law, married with children, and it was a good loving household. No real issues. He also had a girlfriend on the side and would see her regularly. The brother-in-Law’s knew of her and had met her. Most of the extended family knew about her. But the wife acted like she knew nothing.
What I’m saying, plural relationships continue today in many forms, without the integrity of a long term relationship we support here.
What you described is pretty much the norm in Latin America, except the wives know, and accept it as a given. The wives get the security and legal protections as well as status. The mistresses trade the security for the freedom of less obligations.Plural relationships still thrive today. I had a brother-in-law, married with children, and it was a good loving household. No real issues. He also had a girlfriend on the side and would see her regularly. The brother-in-Law’s knew of her and had met her. Most of the extended family knew about her. But the wife acted like she knew nothing.
What I’m saying, plural relationships continue today in many forms, without the integrity of a long term relationship we support here.
It all started when Israel was added to the Roman Empire
I’d say most of that is correct except the part where it had mostly died out by the time of Christ in Judaism or Christianity.It all started when Israel was added to the Roman Empire. Afterwards, the Jews began to assimilate parts of Roman society, that did not contradict the 613 Laws of Moses. Since polygamy was not required, it was largely abandoned by the time of Christ and the Blessed Virgin Mary.
By the time of the Ascension of Christ, and later the Assumption of Mary, Christianity had been divided into three groups: (I) The Ebionites. (II) The Pauline Christians. (III) The Gnostics.
The Ebionites were Jewish Christians situated near the Temple in Jerusalem. They wanted everyone to convert Jewish, and follow the 613 Laws of Moses. They died off within a few centuries following the destruction of the Temple.
The Pauline Christians were most Gentile Christians living outside of Israel. Since they said only the Moral Law still applied, they could convert slaves, and assimilate even more Roman practices. By the time of the conversion of Constantine, most of Roman society, like monogamy, had been assimilated into Christianity.
When Constantine converted, the Church became the official religion of the Roman Empire, and began to do a u-turn on much of it's previous views. Pauline Christians went from some of them supporting anarchist pacifism to none of them supporting it. They started to abandon the last of the views that was left from Judaism, around this time.
St Jerome and St Augustine strengthened this divergence of early Christianity from Roman Christianity. St Augustine would later call the Synod of Hippo in 393 to deem which books were canonical and what books was not. Then in 397, at the Council of Carthage, his list became official for the whole church. The list was based on the Greek Old Testament and the Greek New Testament.
I've already explained what happened. I think I went over board on my explanation. But to put it simply, to assimilate with the Romans, Judaism and Christianity had to abandon polygamy, and Christianity did a better job of assimilating then the Jews. They even deemed what books were canonical: (I) The Jews at the Council of Jamnia, which was held between 70 to 90, where they renounced the Septuagint as true Christian, and was accused by early Christians of rewriting the Bible, such as changing virgin to young woman. (II) The Christians at the Council of Carthage I'm 397.
And I am always skeptical of that 613 laws of Moses thing, for the first thing they weren’t Moses’ laws.
So they came from God but belong to Moses....?They were....
And YaHWeH the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, speak unto the children of Israel.
No, Moses was just the deliverer.So they came from God but belong to Moses....?
I would have to go back to my research, but What I found was a number of things.Where or with whom did the monogamy-ONLY view originate with?
Was it from some Christians back in the day? Or is it of non-Christian origin (Roman Empire?) that influenced the Jews and early Christians?
Are there any good books or articles that cover this subject?
Thanks for any responses.
I didn’t realize that it was that late in the game.HOWEVER.... "the church" became monogamy only AFTER the council of trent which was a unique council in that it was the last council that involved Catholic (west) Orthodox (east) AND Protestant.
From my own personal study I can pinpoint numerous specific events that have propelled monogamy only namely...Where or with whom did the monogamy-ONLY view originate with?
Was it from some Christians back in the day? Or is it of non-Christian origin (Roman Empire?) that influenced the Jews and early Christians?
Are there any good books or articles that cover this subject?
Thanks for any responses.