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Prehistoric advanced civilizations

MemeFan said:
Seems there is some evidence for advanced civilization before our time:

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If true, it would be interesting biblical implications because it would make Bible book for our time. No way they didn't have contact with divine.
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Yes,

If true.........
 
MemeFan said:
Seems there is some evidence for advanced civilization before our time:

17 Out-Of-Place Artifacts That Suggest High-Tech Civilizations Existed Thousands (Or Millions) Of Years Ago<!-- --> | ZeroHedge

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If true, it would be interesting biblical implications because it would make Bible book for our time. No way they didn't have contact with divine.
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Since humans were created without any genetic defects and with full mental capabilities, it's no stretch to believe they were able to accomplish engineering feats far beyond what modern sociologists think. Consider the engineering accomplishments of Noah in building the Ark, or the Egyptians building the pyramids and monuments in Egypt(?) Modern engineering is only catching up to match those things. There is no need to imagine a time frame beyond what is given in the Bible to explain any civilization achieving things only recently discovered.

And yes, those early humans did have direct contact with the divine. We know that is so because He tells us He spoke directly with them and He even walked among His people only 2,000 years ago.
 
It’s been my contention for at least 25 years or more that human ingenuity had digressed to a certain low point sometime after maybe Babel. It’s only recently picked up steam, but not to the extent that it once was.

Genetic superiority and proximity to the divine closest to creation enables great marvels.

The only thing I can’t decipher is the timeframe. I want to believe in a young 6,000 year old earth, but it’s hard to fathom with so many advanced artifacts seemingly going back much further.
 
Mojo said:
The only thing I can’t decipher is the timeframe. I want to believe in a young 6,000 year old earth, but it’s hard to fathom with so many advanced artifacts seemingly going back much further.
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How are those artifacts dated? According to what inerrant power are the presuppositions guaranteed? If someone has a presuppositional belief that the Bible, and by extension, God, might be wrong, it opens the door for every "possibility" man can imagine. And then nothing is certain, it's all speculation.
 
frederick said:
How are those artifacts dated? According to what inerrant power are the presuppositions guaranteed? If someone has a presuppositional belief that the Bible, and by extension, God, might be wrong, it opens the door for every "possibility" man can imagine. And then nothing is certain, it's all speculation.
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Or you could accept we know far less than we think of. And often popular conceptions are totally wrong.

Nobody say Lord is wrong. If there was some civilization 10M old which has disappeared in meanwhile, why it would be mentioned in Bible? It has zero revelance with Bible's message, so why waste space by including it?
 
frederick said:
Since humans were created without any genetic defects and with full mental capabilities, it's no stretch to believe they were able to accomplish engineering feats far beyond what modern sociologists think. Consider the engineering accomplishments of Noah in building the Ark, or the Egyptians building the pyramids and monuments in Egypt(?) Modern engineering is only catching up to match those things. There is no need to imagine a time frame beyond what is given in the Bible to explain any civilization achieving things only recently discovered.

And yes, those early humans did have direct contact with the divine. We know that is so because He tells us He spoke directly with them and He even walked among His people only 2,000 years ago.
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But He he gave them engineering knowledge and capital to use to build? Without both they couldn't build.

About visit 2000 years before, there is no evidence of Jesus giving physics lecture. They got moral lecture.

It would be reasonable to assume same happened with previous visits.
 
frederick said:
How are those artifacts dated? According to what inerrant power are the presuppositions guaranteed? If someone has a presuppositional belief that the Bible, and by extension, God, might be wrong, it opens the door for every "possibility" man can imagine. And then nothing is certain, it's all speculation.
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I don’t claim God is wrong. He never told us how old earth was. That was man counting.
 
Mojo said:
I don’t claim God is wrong. He never told us how old earth was. That was man counting.
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Are you arguing for the Gap theory?

He did define days and give us a family tree complete with ages and births and deaths. It does not say how old the earth is directly but the math doesn't seem that hard to do.
 
Not arguing for a gap.
Genealogies don’t seem to always show direct father to son. I can’t remember where, but I seem to remember that some genealogies skip family members.
 
Mojo said:
Not arguing for a gap.
Genealogies don’t seem to always show direct father to son. I can’t remember where, but I seem to remember that some genealogies skip family members.
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Possibly, but a generation or two is only a matter of decades, not millenia.
 
Mojo said:
Not if they were living for 900 years! Methuselah ring a bell?
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Genesis 5:25 Methuselah lived one hundred and eighty-seven years, and begot Lamech.
V:28 Lamech lived one hundred and eighty-two years, and had a son.
The ages recorded are for the godly line through which Jesus Christ came, but they still aren't millennia generatioally. Check the record and you'll notice the ages were diminishing each generation because of the effect of sin and the curse. Post Flood, because of the genetic bottleneck, the rate of decline increased rapidly.
 
frederick said:
Genesis 5:25 Methuselah lived one hundred and eighty-seven years, and begot Lamech.
V:28 Lamech lived one hundred and eighty-two years, and had a son.
The ages recorded are for the godly line through which Jesus Christ came, but they still aren't millennia generatioally. Check the record and you'll notice the ages were diminishing each generation because of the effect of sin and the curse. Post Flood, because of the genetic bottleneck, the rate of decline increased rapidly.
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Good point.

It’s not a topic that I’m going to lose fellowship over. I think the standard secular perspective that primordial ooze led to knuckle draggers that had no technical knowledge and then poof, we had a scientific revolution in Europe, is bunk. Man has devolved, not evolved.
 
frederick said:
Yes indeed. Starting with a biblical foundation and sticking to it avoids all the loopy ideas and speculation. Cheers
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Wait.
Are you saying that the proposition that there were highly advanced civilizations and technologies in contradiction to the accepted narrative is a loopy idea?
 
Mojo said:
Wait.
Are you saying that the proposition that there were highly advanced civilizations and technologies in contradiction to the accepted narrative is a loopy idea?
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I'm not sure if you are joking or being sarcastic, so I'll respond. The accepted narrative of onward and upward, everything getting better and better every day is the loopy idea full of speculation. Highly advanced civilizations in the past with incredible engineering abilities fits the biblical narrative. Shalom
 
frederick said:
I'm not sure if you are joking or being sarcastic, so I'll respond. The accepted narrative of onward and upward, everything getting better and better every day is the loopy idea full of speculation. Highly advanced civilizations in the past with incredible engineering abilities fits the biblical narrative. Shalom
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No. It wasn’t a joke or a setup.

I wasn’t sure if you were claiming that my speculation that the biblical genealogical records were possibly unreliable age markers was a loopy idea…

Or

…highly advanced civilizations existed prior to the modern ones is a wild speculation.

Thanks for clarifying. We agree.
 
frederick said:
I'm not sure if you are joking or being sarcastic, so I'll respond. The accepted narrative of onward and upward, everything getting better and better every day is the loopy idea full of speculation. Highly advanced civilizations in the past with incredible engineering abilities fits the biblical narrative. Shalom
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Not exactly.

This would imply technology is better worse, but opposite is happened.

You would need explanation why tech way superior to our now doesn't exist.
 
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