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Keith Martin said:
Related, as Maher picks up the flag Kevin Samuels recently dropped:

www.dailywire.com

Bill Maher Unloads On American Society For Encouraging People To Celebrate Being Fat

Bill Maher, host of HBO’s “Real Time with Bill Maher,” slammed the media and society in general for effectively celebrating people for being fat, warning that the trend is a legitimate national security concern for the United States as the U.S. Military is having a harder and harder time finding...
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Is Tucker Carlson doing so well that whoever employs Maher is being forced to release his chains just to try and maintain audiences? If so, it's a good sign.

I mean, think of this truth bomb they just let him drop, and ponder it for a second.
"There’s a disturbing trend going on in America these days, rewriting science to fit ideology or just to fit what you want reality to be."
He didn't just say it was going on in regards to obesity. He said it is a "trend", meaning it is happening in many other areas also. Hmm, I wonder what those other areas might be...
 
FollowingHim said:
It seems nuts, but as @Keith Martin pointed out, there might be something in the specific thing the image suggests, snacking on sweets just before a meal. A small dose of sugar might give high blood sugar at the meal, making you feel kess hungry and consuming lower calories overall. It does make biological sense. Obviously too much sugar will make you fat, but everything has a place. Interesting.
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Now I'm wondering if I should do an experiment on the children. Serve up an identical meal one week with mains first then dessert, and another week with dessert first then mains, see how much leftovers there are.

Then get @FollowingHim2 to add an entree to the menu, going for a three course meal, and see if we actually eat less overall - meaning that she counterintuitively would have to actually cook less, not more, making it no more workload even though it sounds more complicated. Could be as simple as cooking the exact same dishes as usual, but taking one part of what would be mains and just serving it first as an "entree" instead of all on the one plate - or even just giving everyone a piece of fruit before the meal.

Get the children involved in analysing the data once we explain to them why they've been eating strangely lately - homeschooling science. But don't tell them first so it's a blind trial.
 
FollowingHim said:
Now I'm wondering if I should do an experiment on the children. Serve up an identical meal one week with mains first then dessert, and another week with dessert first then mains, see how much leftovers there are.

Then get @FollowingHim2 to add an entree to the menu, going for a three course meal, and see if we actually eat less overall - meaning that she counterintuitively would have to actually cook less, not more, making it no more workload even though it sounds more complicated. Could be as simple as cooking the exact same dishes as usual, but taking one part of what would be mains and just serving it first as an "entree" instead of all on the one plate - or even just giving everyone a piece of fruit before the meal.

Get the children involved in analysing the data once we explain to them why they've been eating strangely lately - homeschooling science. But don't tell them first so it's a blind trial.
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Sounds like a very interesting study
 
FollowingHim said:
Is Tucker Carlson doing so well that whoever employs Maher is being forced to release his chains just to try and maintain audiences? If so, it's a good sign.

I mean, think of this truth bomb they just let him drop, and ponder it for a second.
"There’s a disturbing trend going on in America these days, rewriting science to fit ideology or just to fit what you want reality to be."
He didn't just say it was going on in regards to obesity. He said it is a "trend", meaning it is happening in many other areas also. Hmm, I wonder what those other areas might be...
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This obesity epidemic (and especially the celebration of it) is appalling! I'm so old that I remember when the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit issue featured hot women instead of fat and old ones.

I know I'm also heavier than I ought to be, but at least I regularly lift weights, eat pretty well, and stay active.
 
The stress of the past two weeks has killed my appetite. Lost 5 lbs. I have a killer six pack now though! Sucky part is I had to work hard to get those 5 pounds!
 
FollowingHim said:
Now I'm wondering if I should do an experiment on the children. Serve up an identical meal one week with mains first then dessert, and another week with dessert first then mains, see how much leftovers there are.
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You don't have to do the study; the research has all been done.

Sweets, while expensive at restaurants, are actually very inexpensive to produce. That's why they're pushed on us at every level. Sugar sodas. Sweet tea. Sugar -- most especially high fructose corn syrup -- added as an ingredient to almost every processed food. Pastas made of the nutrition-free, fiber-free cardboard left over after the protein and fiber are removed from grains. Just looking at them or thinking about them lowers our desire for nutrition-rich food.

And the net result is 80+% of all people being overweight no matter what standard one uses, 50+% being obese, and 15+% being morbidly obese (which means they're already in the active stages of dying from their porculinity).
FollowingHim said:
He didn't just say it was going on in regards to obesity. He said it is a "trend", meaning it is happening in many other areas also. Hmm, I wonder what those other areas might be...
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Oh, one doesn't have to wonder. Maher has been telling us what those trends are since his former show, Politically Incorrect. Just recently he came out against Poison Death Shot boosters.
 
Keith Martin said:
You don't have to do the study; the research has all been done.
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You don't "have" to go visit Niagara Falls either, you could just read about them, so why do tourists bother? :-)

I'm fully aware that the instance you cited was about an institution saving money by feeding junk, and there's plenty of profit incentive in doing that. That's not where my thinking was going.
 
FollowingHim said:
You don't "have" to go visit Niagara Falls either, you could just read about them, so why do tourists bother? :)

I'm fully aware that the instance you cited was about an institution saving money by feeding junk, and there's plenty of profit incentive in doing that. That's not where my thinking was going.
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Oh, I do hear you. If you, perhaps, want to help your kids learn why things go one way or another depending one what diet one follows, you could have some rolicking learning experiences! On the other hand, starting out with desserts will save you on your food budget, but the weight your kids will put on will require lots more time and effort to reverse than the time spent on the experiment!

Please share with us your test results, Samuel!

P.S. As a 'field trip' toward the end, you could do a group viewing of Supersize It.
 
Keith Martin said:
On the other hand, starting out with desserts will save you on your food budget, but the weight your kids will put on will require lots more time and effort to reverse than the time spent on the experiment!
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Not at all. The theory being proposed is whether starting with a sweet snack before the meal (or reversing the order of dessert and mains) would actually reduce total calorie consumption, and therefore reduce weight. Which you'd test by measuring how much dessert & mains were consumed in each version of the meal and calculating total calorie consumption in each instance. Now, the theory might be wrong. It does sound a bit counterintuitive. And that is what makes it an interesting theory to test.
 
My oven is very slow at cooking things most of the time. One time I had decided to do dessert, so I got that on early in the oven. Then my life exploded. All the kids needed me, I was trying to get dinner on, there were messes to clean up, and so on.
Samuel came home from work at 6pm and I told him dessert was ready but dinner wasn't. So, he decided we should have dessert for mains. I figured we'd eat that, then I'd have to cook something, but the children were satisfied just with the dessert. If we'd started out with mains then they would've eaten both.
So yes, it might seem like they would eat less. The trick though, is to see what they then eat for breakfast the next day. Are they more hungry then?
 
FollowingHim2 said:
My oven is very slow at cooking things most of the time. One time I had decided to do dessert, so I got that on early in the oven. Then my life exploded. All the kids needed me, I was trying to get dinner on, there were messes to clean up, and so on.
Samuel came home from work at 6pm and I told him dessert was ready but dinner wasn't. So, he decided we should have dessert for mains. I figured we'd eat that, then I'd have to cook something, but the children were satisfied just with the dessert. If we'd started out with mains then they would've eaten both.
So yes, it might seem like they would eat less. The trick though, is to see what they then eat for breakfast the next day. Are they more hungry then?
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Mamas do learn to adjust food volume dependant on many factors. If we started with chores and are eating several hours after waking they will eat more. Did they snack? On what? Is it winter? During cold weather they eat way more then summertime when the heat is on. Are the men working? How hard? Ten year old boy during a growth spurt will out eat a grown man.

Thankfully we have always had food. And sometimes if the leftovers get overlooked we recycle them into eggs or feed our dog.

I kind of suspect the science on that experiment will fail with growing children. The idea is that you can eat less then you need and lose weight. Kidlets are not a gonna be doin' that and stayin' healthy. Our practice here is to cook tasty from scratch food and let 'em have all they want. Works good so far.
 
I think, @Keith Martin and @Joleneakamama, that you are failing to appreciate the sheer joy of discovery, and the value of learning physiology through simple experiments like this. You're taking this all far too seriously.

I recall an experiment at university, where we either hyperventilated, or breathed pure oxygen, and then saw how long we could hold our breaths for afterwards. It was fascinating and taught us a lot about respiration. Did I, as a result, decide that I should always hyperventilate, or always breathe pure oxygen? Of course not, that would be daft. But by experimenting on myself and seeing my own body's reaction to different circumstances I came to understand respiration considerably better.

Blood sugar is important to know about, including its effect on appetite, diabetes, and many other things. Playing with food and considering the body's responses to it is of immense value. Would that mean we'd find that eating dessert before a meal had one specific effect so we'd suddenly decide to always do it every day? Of course not. But the idea that a sweet treat before a meal could depress appetite is fascinating - because to understand why it might have an effect, you'd need to understand the physiology of what is going on. And that opens the door for a massive discussion on biology, that now makes sense as it is tied to something tangible (and tasty).

And just the process of science - seeing how to figure out these things - is itself of enormous value to learn, and most enjoyable to learn when doing something that is simultaneously silly and relevant to life.

This sounds like an immensely enjoyable and very silly thing to do, which has the potential to spark an interest in physiology. Hence why I seriously think it's a fascinating idea for an unschooling homeschool project.
 
FollowingHim said:
I think, @Keith Martin and @Joleneakamama, that you are failing to appreciate the sheer joy of discovery, and the value of learning physiology through simple experiments like this. You're taking this all far too seriously.

I recall an experiment at university, where we either hyperventilated, or breathed pure oxygen, and then saw how long we could hold our breaths for afterwards. It was fascinating and taught us a lot about respiration. Did I, as a result, decide that I should always hyperventilate, or always breathe pure oxygen? Of course not, that would be daft. But by experimenting on myself and seeing my own body's reaction to different circumstances I came to understand respiration considerably better.

Blood sugar is important to know about, including its effect on appetite, diabetes, and many other things. Playing with food and considering the body's responses to it is of immense value. Would that mean we'd find that eating dessert before a meal had one specific effect so we'd suddenly decide to always do it every day? Of course not. But the idea that a sweet treat before a meal could depress appetite is fascinating - because to understand why it might have an effect, you'd need to understand the physiology of what is going on. And that opens the door for a massive discussion on biology, that now makes sense as it is tied to something tangible (and tasty).

And just the process of science - seeing how to figure out these things - is itself of enormous value to learn, and most enjoyable to learn when doing something that is simultaneously silly and relevant to life.

This sounds like an immensely enjoyable and very silly thing to do, which has the potential to spark an interest in physiology. Hence why I seriously think it's a fascinating idea for an unschooling homeschool project.
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And seriously.... use the experiment to make a YouTube video series for HE parents and kids. It's the sort of thing that gives others ideas for fun things to do with their kids that help spark interest in areas of science for the future.
 
FollowingHim said:
failing to appreciate the sheer joy of discovery, and the value of learning physiology through simple experiments like this. You're taking this all far too seriously.
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I just have far too many serious things on my to do list to want to count calories or weigh leftovers. Sorry.

I will happily read about your findings though. :-)
 
Random question I'm hoping someone might know the answer to.
Does having an abortion increase your chances of getting PCOS?
I have seen this in 2 of my family members. Both had abortions as teenagers and both got PCOS afterwards, though neither would think it had anything to do with the abortion at all. I can't find any info on it anywhere, just everything saying that abortion is completely safe and does not increase the risk of infertility which obviously isn't true.

Also, anyone got any ideas for how to treat PCOS to help with weight loss?

From what I understand it's a hormonal issue, and yet it's not treated with hormones. Seems logical to me that they'd do a blood test and check your hormone levels then treat appropriately. We give people hormones for everything else they can think of, why not this?
 
FollowingHim2 said:
Also, anyone got any ideas for how to treat PCOS to help with weight loss?
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Lower carbs (ketogenic diet) and intermittent fasting. Check out Dr *Jason Fung on YouTube and/or his books The Obesity Code, The Diabetes Code and The Cancer Code.
It’s insulin related which in return messes with the hormones.

**Edit- corrected his first name Lol my 5am memory failed me.
 
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WifeOfHisYouth said:
Lower carbs (ketogenic diet) and intermittent fasting. Check out Dr Steven Fung on YouTube and/or his books The Obesity Code, The Diabetes Code and The Cancer Code.
It’s insulin related which in return messes with the hormones.
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It seems like intermittent fasting and lower carb diets help with a multitude of health issues, or alternatively speaking, help to promote health.

Still, it is interesting that such severe measures are perhaps needed for the reduction of obesity. Fifty years ago, our grandparents were far more healthy (not obese, and had reasonable testosterone levels) and none of them were on ketogenic diets, or practiced intermittent fasting. They ate meet, potatoes, bread, etc.

Interesting 🤔
 
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