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This is the place Steve had in mind for us to buy and build a home.

https://www.landwatch.com/gray-county-texas-farms-and-ranches-for-sale/pid/409475360

I'm not going with this and we had a major disagreement about this yesterday. Can't write everything in public but I love our home and made up my mind I won't be leaving. I know he's the leader for the family but on this he's going to have to deal with me.

As a man,I would say that the most barren unproductive time in our lives was due to....the fact that I was working really hard to advance my family .....by myself.
I thought I had the support of my wife but really she wanted to be doing something else.
I had no real choice but to abandon the plan. I doubt we will ever get to the destination I had in mind.
With her support I’m sure we would have gotten there, and she would have been overjoyed with the goal destination.
But ..without her support I was unable to get my family there.
The irony is she would have been the biggest benefactor of this plan.

I’m sure your husband will do the best with what he can
You can be sure ,Your unwillingness to follow, will affect his ability to lead.
Keeping your lovely house but being in it alone might be a hollow victory
Perhaps ask him for some more information, give him the opportunity to sell you his vision
 
I hate moving, done so more times than I care to think about. Most of the times it was God's idea not mine, and those few which were mine did not turn out well.
 
When I was 33, I had moved more times than the years of my life. Since then, I have moved 14 more times. We lived 17 years in the same house in Greenville PA before moving to Texas; that was twice longer than the previous record. I'm descended from Jewish Gypsys, so I guess it's in my DNA, but I would like to settle down again, this time at least doubling the 17-year stretch. By then I'll be over 100!
 
Keith,
You mentioned that you were descended from "Jewish Gypsies". Does that mean we need to watch our wallets when you are around? (Just kidding based on racial stereotypes)

I didn't move much growing up, but did move quite a bit during our first decade of marriage. We moved eight times in nine years (including four big cross country moves). We've now been in the same home for over twelve years.

Also, by God's grace, we are blessed to have been able to get the house paid off. It is so nice to be debt free in our personal life, even though our irresponsible government leaders keep putting us into more public debt.

I've been thinking a lot about moving to the greater Ozark-ish region (Oklahoma, Missouri, Arkansas, maybe Kansas). I also like rural Tennessee, Kentucky and (upland) S. Carolina. Looking at prices, we could sell our house in town and get a similar house with 10-20 acres for a similar or lower price. That would move us a lot closer to the self sufficiency that I desire.

Right now, we live in a red part of a blue state, and our state is getting pretty bad. I've also considered moving to Idaho or Montana, but they are more expensive, colder, and less rainfall than the Ozark area.

Locally, our property prices have gone insane, and houses are selling instantly. Our home has more than doubled in price since we bought it. I don't expect that to last forever, our crazy leaders are wrecking our state.

My wife does not want to move. She likes the stability (at least perceived) of our current life, and we have a lot of friends and family (my side of family) in the area. We do have a few friends in the OK, AR area but not a lot.

My wife is feeling somewhat like MeganC, she is not thrilled about the prospect of a big move.

Still, my gut is telling me we should move or at least acquire property down there.

I have also thought some about just buying a plot of land down there (using savings and maybe cashing out some Roth 401k investments). We could probably swing buying some land (with no house), without selling our current home.

Also, I have an awesome job here, but my prospects should also be ok in the areas I mentioned.

Any thoughts?
 
I'd put this on my blog and wanted to share it here too:

Just a little happy news!

Cydne's baby boy Brayden was born on April 3 and is a big boy at 10 pounds 8 ounces!

Amy's baby boy Gabriel was born on April 11 and is 7 pounds and 11 ounces!


Amy's labor was all day on Saturday and the baby was officially born at 1:32AM on Sunday. Amy's doing fine! Have to say my mood is better with two new babies in the house!

Nothing really new to say about the possible move for now.
 
I'd put this on my blog and wanted to share it here too:

Just a little happy news!

Cydne's baby boy Brayden was born on April 3 and is a big boy at 10 pounds 8 ounces!

Amy's baby boy Gabriel was born on April 11 and is 7 pounds and 11 ounces!


Amy's labor was all day on Saturday and the baby was officially born at 1:32AM on Sunday. Amy's doing fine! Have to say my mood is better with two new babies in the house!

Nothing really new to say about the possible move for now.

Congratulations! How wonderful! The gift of life is such a marvelous miracle. Praise God!

If you will pardon my stupid/ignorant/intrusive question...

Not knowing you guys family situation, are these sister wives having babies, or adult children living at home or nearby giving birth to grandchildren?

Just curious. Your husband definitely has his hands full it is the former.
 
Not knowing you guys family situation, are these sister wives having babies, or adult children living at home or nearby giving birth to grandchildren?
Sister wives. I think there's 4 wives now if I remember rightly.

Megan has a really interesting blog detailing her journey into her family and her life in plural marriage. It's well worth a read. https://megans-polyblog.blogspot.com/
 
Keith,
You mentioned that you were descended from "Jewish Gypsies". Does that mean we need to watch our wallets when you are around? (Just kidding based on racial stereotypes)

I didn't move much growing up, but did move quite a bit during our first decade of marriage. We moved eight times in nine years (including four big cross country moves). We've now been in the same home for over twelve years.

Also, by God's grace, we are blessed to have been able to get the house paid off. It is so nice to be debt free in our personal life, even though our irresponsible government leaders keep putting us into more public debt.

I've been thinking a lot about moving to the greater Ozark-ish region (Oklahoma, Missouri, Arkansas, maybe Kansas). I also like rural Tennessee, Kentucky and (upland) S. Carolina. Looking at prices, we could sell our house in town and get a similar house with 10-20 acres for a similar or lower price. That would move us a lot closer to the self sufficiency that I desire.

Right now, we live in a red part of a blue state, and our state is getting pretty bad. I've also considered moving to Idaho or Montana, but they are more expensive, colder, and less rainfall than the Ozark area.

Locally, our property prices have gone insane, and houses are selling instantly. Our home has more than doubled in price since we bought it. I don't expect that to last forever, our crazy leaders are wrecking our state.

My wife does not want to move. She likes the stability (at least perceived) of our current life, and we have a lot of friends and family (my side of family) in the area. We do have a few friends in the OK, AR area but not a lot.

My wife is feeling somewhat like MeganC, she is not thrilled about the prospect of a big move.

Still, my gut is telling me we should move or at least acquire property down there.

I have also thought some about just buying a plot of land down there (using savings and maybe cashing out some Roth 401k investments). We could probably swing buying some land (with no house), without selling our current home.

Also, I have an awesome job here, but my prospects should also be ok in the areas I mentioned.

Any thoughts?
Thoughts? Certainly. But, for now, I think there is nothing better to do than to mostly keep my mouth shut. You are the master of your own destiny, as co-pilot for our Father in your life, and therefore what you decide really has to be a very individualized decision. I'm glad you're here, because I believe you'll find you have access to quite a few people who have expertise in individual areas, so if you're patient you can't help but run across educated thoughts that can help you make your decision about whether or where to move. We are also debt-free, and yet we are about to purchase a home that probably costs close to what all our previous homes did in total, and we certainly can't afford to pay for it with cash. I'm not about to recommend that to anyone, but it is what works for us, given where we want to live and where we want to be investing our savings at this moment in our nation's history.

And tomorrow I might decide that we're in no position to be making such a decision (the clock is running down, though, because closing is April 23); our family situation with having been displaced from our always-meant-to-be-temporary-but-not-this-temporary apartment since February has tested the mettle of my family, perhaps beyond its limit.
 
Sister wives. I think there's 4 wives now if I remember rightly.

Megan has a really interesting blog detailing her journey into her family and her life in plural marriage. It's well worth a read. https://megans-polyblog.blogspot.com/

Yes, it's four of us! Me, Macy, Cydne, and Amy. And no grandchildren in the house but Steve does have grandkids with his two oldest daughters from his first marriage.
 
Sister wives. I think there's 4 wives now if I remember rightly.

Megan has a really interesting blog detailing her journey into her family and her life in plural marriage. It's well worth a read. https://megans-polyblog.blogspot.com/

It is very interesting to hear from people living in polygynous families. For some time, I have understand that God permits it. Still, it seems so very culturally foreign.
 
It is very interesting to hear from people living in polygynous families. For some time, I have understand that God permits it. Still, it seems so very culturally foreign.

Why? Hugh Hefner and Charlie Sheen did it right out in the open for years and years and no one cared. Lots of men in the US have mistresses (plural wives) and no one says a thing about it. Arnold Schwrazengger (I can't spell that!) had a mistress/second wife and had a kid with her too! Men can even have more than one mistress and no one cares as long as the relationship is meaningless.

But a committed relationship where the man loves his wives is somehow wrong. :confused::rolleyes:
 
Why? Hugh Hefner and Charlie Sheen did it right out in the open for years and years and no one cared. Lots of men in the US have mistresses (plural wives) and no one says a thing about it. Arnold Schwrazengger (I can't spell that!) had a mistress/second wife and had a kid with her too! Men can even have more than one mistress and no one cares as long as the relationship is meaningless.

But a committed relationship where the man loves his wives is somehow wrong. :confused::rolleyes:


Like you said, proper marriage polygyny is what is foreign.

Serial marriage divorce, marriage, divorce etc. is very common. Adultery with other men's wives is common. Men with mistresses are common. Men having multiple "friends with benefits" are common. Even polyamory is starting to get normalized.

It is just the marriage (lifelong commitment to love, protect, and provide) aspect that out culture can't tolerate.
 
It is just the marriage (lifelong commitment to love, protect, and provide) aspect that out culture can't tolerate.
Driven by the enemy of our souls.
 
Of course the culture really can't tolerate the submissive wife part of marriage either. While a woman submitting to a man is culturally offensive, more than one woman submitting to the same man is unthinkable. Again, this is the influence of the serpent.
 
It is just the marriage (lifelong commitment to love, protect, and provide) aspect that out culture can't tolerate.

Driven by the enemy of our souls.

Perhaps it is the pile-driver propaganda I swim in with my daughter and, to some extent her mother, but I'm beginning to wonder if maybe making more than one commitment is the most insidious set of circumstances one can put a woman through. Maybe, just maybe, that is a far greater form of disrespect and damage than treating women as if they were just receptacles for our penises. My daughter brags about how cool it is that celebrities are able to flit from one (sometimes child-producing) relationship to another, but she is sickened by the notion that any of those people would be married to more than one woman at a time. And I suspect that this general set of sentiments is almost ubiquitous in our culture these days: whoring, good; lifelong dedication to more than one woman, bad.

The Adversary certainly deserves High Marks for doing such a good job at the job God gave him to be the evil lord over Earth who gets human beings to turn their backs on their Father.
 
My daughter brags about how cool it is that celebrities are able to flit from one (sometimes child-producing) relationship to another, but she is sickened by the notion that any of those people would be married to more than one woman at a time.
I think really it comes down to women are monogamous by nature. We can’t fathom how a man can want/love more than one at a time. So, a man going from one woman to a new upgrade makes sense, not loving them at the same time. It’s taken a great deal of mental rebuilding on my part to realize that my husband deeply loves me and could still love me after bringing in another woman to his family.
 
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