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Statement of Focus for Biblical Families

cubanito said:
Speaking of literal meat, why are powers starting to demonize meat consumption in several countries and restrict it?
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Heard farms are being reduced in Netherlands and other places too. Food growth is evil now?
Can we still assume WEF guys are pro-human?
 
@cubanito, please do learn how to start a thread, or at least post somewhere other than this particular one which is about the focus of the forum and shouldn't be distracted by such discussions.

To start a thread, go to the section of the forum where you want to put a new thread, and click the big "Post Thread" button at the top right of your screen.
 
I get distracted while thinking about topics anyways, like in some normal natural conversations but hopefully started a thread for the exchange of directions. So, is there a particular strict focus to the forum or more general conversations to figure things out etc?
 
I'm not sure how to answer your question. I think you already know we're focussed on marriage but get distracted by everything else!
 
nathan said:
Statement of Focus for Biblical Families

Every so often in any organization it becomes necessary to consider where you are, how you got there, and if a course correction of any magnitude is necessary. That’s where Biblical Families is right now. After prayer and deliberation, we think some changes are needed, and that the result will better serve the core mission God has given us: the support of Biblical Patriarchal families, including those families with more than one wife. Note the emphasis on “patriarchal” – while we believe that God may call a man to zero, one, or more wives, we feel certain that all His earthly sons are called to live as Men who lead and love following His own example – and this is patriarchy. We think the biggest battle we face is not over plural marriage but over the near-complete destruction of Biblical patriarchy, both in Western culture, and in the vast majority of the church. We are aware this focus is likely to make us even more of a target than plural marriage does.

We also want to point out what our focus is NOT: it is not on any particular theological position beyond the Gospel, including debate thereof. While we respect, and even enjoy, that we have folks who participate at Biblical Families from many backgrounds and traditions, it’s important that these differences do not become divisive to the core purpose God has given us: Patriarchal Biblical families and marriage. Lately, it’s become more evident that debate of these differences has become a distraction to our online forum. We have heard from more than a few folks who have left the forum (over the years and recently) over ongoing debates, particularly debates between those brothers who feel led to some form of Torah Observance / Hebrew Roots and those who do not. This is a distraction from our purpose, and when people are leaving over this, it’s time to make a correction. It is now our intention to put an end to these debates. Personal attacks and ridicule are out-of-bounds as well. This means a change in moderation goals, and some new moderators joining the team, as Samuel cannot be expected to keep an eye on everything that is posted. We would ask that those who participate regularly help in this regard: if you see anything that you think is potentially problematic, use the Report button on a post, just to highlight it (this is only visible to moderators, and they will have the final decision on what happens). Moderation is not a strict set of rules, and will necessarily evolve in practice. If not having this outlet for debate at Biblical Families is disappointing to you, we can point you to other online forums where you can discuss/debate any particular theological issue. We can’t keep our focus and be all things to all people.

We restate that our bond at Biblical Families is the bond of brotherhood in the saving grace of the Gospel of Jesus/Yeshua. We want to be clear that all those who consider themselves brothers and sisters in the Gospel are welcome to participate at Biblical Families, both online and at retreats, and in any community discussion. We’d ask you to understand the major purpose for the online forums: to be a place of learning and growth for those who God is calling to live patriarchally or to plural marriage. It is not for anyone to promote their specific theological distinctives.

Finding the line between what is OK and what is not, is something the moderators will have to do, and will need some grace for – thank you for extending it to them, just as the Father has extended it to all of us.

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Not coincidently, we are happy to announce that 2 new moderators are joining the team to help in this mission. The first is not ‘new’ at all, and we are happy to have Zec (@The Revolting Man) joining to help out, as well Lance (@ABlessedMan). Both gentlemen will bring their unique point-of-view to the team, and we believe the forum will benefit from this. We want to take this opportunity to also thank our chief moderator of many years, Samuel (@FollowingHim), for his often single-handed effort in keeping the BF forum on-track. The forum as a community would be a much less valuable place without his ongoing time and attention.

Biblical Families Board and Staff
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This is a lovely idea.
 
I look at it like this, if your standing in front of God/Christ depending on your interpretation and talking to him would he be interested in your different biblical differences that you had with a brother or sister of God/Christ or would he be interested in wether you showed love and Godly fellowship with a brother or sister in God/Christ, a strong structure and foundation needs built and grown.....Some times a hard look at the foundation is important.

The modern world is getting more spicy and more challenging what steps are needed to prepare, protect and grow a Godly community of believers in the Anarchy that is inadating are society and culture.
 
To clarify and eliminate any confusion or misinterpretation of my previous response. I support and agree with Nathans remarks a hundred percent. It is sad that such a thread had to be discussed and made, we are all grown up Believers in God/Christ and we need to hold are self accordingly
 
JudahYAHites said:
About participation in the comments of r/nutrition
Discussion in this subreddit should be rooted in science rather than "cuz I sed" or entertainment pieces. Always be wary of unsupported and poorly supported claims and especially those which are wrapped in any manner of hostility. You should provide peer reviewed sources to support your claims when debating and confine that debate to the science, not opinions of other people.

Good - it is grounded in science and includes citation of peer reviewed sources. Debate is a civil and respectful exchange focusing on actual science and avoids commentary about others

Bad - it utilizes generalizations, assumptions, infotainment sources, no sources, or complaints without specifics about agenda, bias, or funding. At best, these rise to an extremely weak basis for science based discussion. Also, off topic discussion

Ugly - (removal or ban territory) it involves attacks / antagonism / hostility towards individuals or groups, downvote complaining, trolling, crusading, shaming, refutation of all science, or claims that all research / science is a conspiracy

Please POST accordingly and report any uglies
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I found this on reddit as a standard for posts I thought it was good giving a clear three tier outline like a traffuc light system, so I tweaked it slightly (not fully) and am sharing it here. Maybe some parts or principles could be utilised on BF or not 🤷‍♂️




Discussion in this FORUM should be rooted in scripture rather than "cuz I sed" or entertainment pieces. Always be wary of unsupported and poorly supported claims and especially those which are wrapped in any manner of hostility. You should provide scriptural and/or VERIFIABLE sources to support your claims when DISCUSSING and confine that discussion to the scriptures, not opinions of other people.

Good - it is grounded in SCRIPTURE and includes citation of VERIFIABLE sources. Discussion is a civil and respectful exchange focusing on actual scripture and avoids commentary about others

Bad - it utilizes generalizations, assumptions, infotainment sources, no sources, or complaints without specifics about agenda, bias, or funding. At best, these rise to an extremely weak basis for scripture based discussion. Also, off topic discussion

Ugly - (removal or ban territory) it involves attacks / antagonism / hostility towards individuals or groups, downvote complaining, trolling, crusading, shaming, refutation of all scripture, or claims that all research / scripture is a conspiracy

Please POST accordingly and report any uglies
 
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JudahYAHites said:
I found this on reddit as a standard for posts I thought it was good giving a clear three tier outline like a traffuc light system, so I tweaked it slightly (not fully) and am sharing it here. Maybe some parts or principles could be utilised on BF or not 🤷‍♂️




Discussion in this FORUM should be rooted in scripture rather than "cuz I sed" or entertainment pieces. Always be wary of unsupported and poorly supported claims and especially those which are wrapped in any manner of hostility. You should provide scriptural and/or VERIFIABLE sources to support your claims when DISCUSSING and confine that discussion to the scriptures, not opinions of other people.

Good - it is grounded in SCRIPTURE and includes citation of VERIFIABLE sources. Discussion is a civil and respectful exchange focusing on actual scripture and avoids commentary about others

Bad - it utilizes generalizations, assumptions, infotainment sources, no sources, or complaints without specifics about agenda, bias, or funding. At best, these rise to an extremely weak basis for scripture based discussion. Also, off topic discussion

Ugly - (removal or ban territory) it involves attacks / antagonism / hostility towards individuals or groups, downvote complaining, trolling, crusading, shaming, refutation of all scripture, or claims that all research / scripture is a conspiracy

Please vote accordingly and report any uglies
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That was what I was meant to send.
New grandson born that day caused distraction.
 
Congratulations Zec and Lance! Thank you Nathan for your leadership Sir. It was a pleasure getting to share my story with you on Sunday at the retreat and meeting you and your lovely family.
 
NVIII said:
Let me stop you right there and rebuke a few things before there's any piling on. No, I do not believe this. And it's not what I said. But I do believe the Torah is excellent and even essential for understanding our nature and purpose and many other images God painted for us in earth, including to a great degree patriarchy. The Torah, to my limited understanding, is mostly mute about polygyny.

Let me fix that for you: "You then stated a list of names of people who you knew you had the most disagreement with, especially on the subject of the Torah." This was deliberate for the sake of emphasizing my point in that paragraph. But I should have added your name.

No. But YOU have been assuming a lot. I WANT to be challenged.

Which has it's basis in what?

By nature of your thesis you will forever be a tiny little niche, unless you conform to the image of man, unless you civilize yourself and stick to palatable doctines suitable to the modern sensitivities. Adopting egalitarianism and complementarianism would suit that purpose well.

When my eyes were opened many years ago and I began searching for truth to rebuild my worldview, this forum was a source of inspiration and revelation for me. And, as I recall, back in those days, no punches were being held. But, I was hungry, I had a zeal, and I ate it all up and searched for more, as I still do. As long as you remain in the truth, you shouldn't be afraid of being caustic to people. It says more about them than you. But, if you water down your message, if you sacrifice truth for soft feelings, your popularity should disgust you.
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There is a great difference between watering down truth and limiting distraction. Nathan is right, brother. Just as a bicycle has many parts. It's all one machine, integrated. Every part is necessary. But you don't learn about gears by studying the handlebars. Or fix the tires by working on the seat.
Just so, you will learn less about Torah here than on some other platforms. And less about this focus there. So while I may throw in a mention of the rest day here, it will not be the focus of discussion. If I want to teach, argue, or investigate that, such a post needs to be initiated elsewhere, and as suggested, I can direct to that site as appropriate.
I agree it is hard to completely explore one topic without touching on others. They all indeed paint one story. But still there are separate topics, and they cannot all be unpacked simultaneously.
 
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