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The Light of Lucifer on Divorce

The Revolting Man said:
What commandment?
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Exodus 22:16
If a man entices a virgin who is not betrothed, and lies with her, he shall surely pay the bride-price for her to be his wife. 17 If her father utterly refuses to give her to him, he shall pay money according to the bride-price of virgins.

"According to the bride-price of virgins" applies the set-amount can fluctuate.
 
OttoM said:
Exodus 22:16
If a man entices a virgin who is not betrothed, and lies with her, he shall surely pay the bride-price for her to be his wife. 17 If her father utterly refuses to give her to him, he shall pay money according to the bride-price of virgins.

"According to the bride-price of virgins" applies the set-amount can fluctuate.
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This isn’t a command for universal bride price. This is only for a very specific instance. Do you have any daughters?
 
OttoM said:
"According to the bride-price of virgins" applies the set-amount can fluctuate.
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As the mother of daughters I can say that the bride price I expect is for their potential husband to have a decent income, to be debt free, and to be a man of God and of integrity.

I think most men these days would rather write a check for $1,000,000
 
MemeFan said:
LOLOLOLOLOL

You can follow quoted posts till you get back to one starting it all:


That's context.
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It would have been clearer if you had been referring back to it.
The discussion had moved on.
 
MeganC said:
As the mother of daughters I can say that the bride price I expect is for their potential husband to have a decent income, to be debt free, and to be a man of God and of integrity.
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So you are OK with getting nothing for daughter. So bride price is 0.

Nice to see you giving all benefits to daughter.
 
OttoM said:
The better word is "instructions." When people follow these instructions - the end result is peace in the land.

No daughters - just sons.
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What instructions? There’s nothing to follow here unless someone seduces a virgin. And the 50 shekels isn’t in the text, that’s a someone’s best guess. And it’s a bad guess.

That’s slightly less than 50 ounces. You’re talking about $1,500. That’s what you think a man’s daughter is worth? If you came to me with that weak offer I’d probably pick a fight with you. You can’t get a used Civic for that much. You sure as hell can’t get my daughter.

Dear lord, who would want a woman that could be bought at all let alone one that could be bought for a week’s wage?
 
The Revolting Man said:
That’s slightly less than 50 ounces. You’re talking about $1,500. That’s what you think a man’s daughter is worth? If you came to me with that weak offer I’d probably pick a fight with you. You can’t get a used Civic for that much. You sure as hell can’t get my daughter.

Dear lord, who would want a woman that could be bought at all let alone one that could be bought for a week’s wage?
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This is a perfect example of double mindedness. You are literally taking both sides of the same issue.
 
The Revolting Man said:
What instructions? There’s nothing to follow here unless someone seduces a virgin. And the 50 shekels isn’t in the text, that’s a someone’s best guess. And it’s a bad guess.

That’s slightly less than 50 ounces. You’re talking about $1,500. That’s what you think a man’s daughter is worth? If you came to me with that weak offer I’d probably pick a fight with you. You can’t get a used Civic for that much. You sure as hell can’t get my daughter.

Dear lord, who would want a woman that could be bought at all let alone one that could be bought for a week’s wage?
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Today's customary bride price for virgins is zero. So father's are not expected to get anything. The best case scenario today for most fathers is that they have some type influence in who her future husband is. Usually - the daughters have already made their decision before her father is even in the picture.

MeganC said:
As the mother of daughters I can say that the bride price I expect is for their potential husband to have a decent income, to be debt free, and to be a man of God and of integrity.

I think most men these days would rather write a check for $1,000,000
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Who would not want their daughter being married to a righteous man - that will provide and love her for life? One the flip side of the equation - which husband wouldn't want a holy and righteous virgin as his wife? She's a treasure who never lets her down. That type of woman is rare, and normally it's the fruit of parents that raised her well, and protected her from the traps of the world. The least the husband can do is give them some type of compensation - doesn't have to be a bride price (since there is no customer bride price) - but perhaps for their vacation - or if they are driving a un-safe car - help pay to fix it or help pay for an update - something like that would be righteous.
 
The Revolting Man said:
That’s slightly less than 50 ounces.
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Not getting into the here-nor-there of the argument. :)

50 shekels was close to the silver weight/content of five hundred denarius. A denarius being a standard for a day's pay.

That makes 50 shekels equal to around two year's pay when one takes into account Sabbaths, feasts, and Holy Days where no one worked.

It may not be a substantial sum to us but it was a substantial sum at the time of Jesus.
 
MeganC said:
Not getting into the here-nor-there of the argument. :)

50 shekels was close to the silver weight/content of five hundred denarius. A denarius being a standard for a day's pay.

That makes 50 shekels equal to around two year's pay when one takes into account Sabbaths, feasts, and Holy Days where no one worked.

It may not be a substantial sum to us but it was a substantial sum at the time of Jesus.
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I just googled it and it said that it was 9/10 of a Troy ounce and I went with it.
 
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