The Parable of the Good Samaritan

[MeganC]

Passports are a recent invention by the globalists, wanting to manage us all like cattle.

Nonsense.

Papers granting permission to travel and asking for safe conduct in foreign lands go back thousands of years.

See Nehemiah 2: 7-9

7 I also said to him, “If it pleases the king, may I have letters to the governors of Trans-Euphrates, so that they will provide me safe-conduct until I arrive in Judah? 8 And may I have a letter to Asaph, keeper of the royal park, so he will give me timber to make beams for the gates of the citadel by the temple and for the city wall and for the residence I will occupy?” And because the gracious hand of my God was on me, the king granted my requests. 9 So I went to the governors of Trans-Euphrates and gave them the king’s letters. The king had also sent army officers and cavalry with me.

China used internal passports called zhuan starting around 200 BC and no one could travel outside their home district without one.

King Henry V of England issued passports as authorized by Parliament in the Safe Conducts Act of 1414.

Most notably in the various 16th-20th Century European kingdoms people had to carry papers in order to travel on public roads. These papers had to be shown to soldiers on demand who were notorious for destroying a person's papers and then throwing those people into prison or slavery for the offense of traveling without papers.

This is why when such people relocated to the Americas they eventually enshrined the right to travel into the US Constitution.

 

[MemeFan]

The enemies in that parable are the robbers who attacked the man.

Since you brought it up I'll ask you again: Had you come across a stranger being attacked on the road by a group of strangers would you intervene or stay out of it?

Robbers don't matter in story.

Story would have same meaning if wounded Hebrew had fallen from horse. Jesus need some reason why man is in problem. He choose robbers.

If robbers were actors in story, then would be active participants. They would be doing something or something was done to then in present tense, not paste tense.

 

[steve]

Robbers don't matter in story.

Story would have same meaning if wounded Hebrew had fallen from horse. Jesus need some reason why man is in problem. He choose robbers.

If robbers were actors in story, then would be active participants. They would be doing something or something was done to then in present tense, not paste tense.

You have a point, he didn’t rescue the man from the robbers.
He rescued him after the robbers had abused him.

 

[MeganC]

Robbers don't matter in story.

They did to Jesus.

And you're still dodging my question:

Had you come across a stranger being attacked on the road by a group of strangers would you intervene or stay out of it?

 

[MemeFan]

They did to Jesus.

They didn't.

They are part of "setting" for this story. Again, if they matter at all, they would be actors, doing something in story.

Jesus could easily started story with:

In galaxy far far away robbered Hebrew was lying on path. First righteous Hebrew was walking path.........

Still same story, just different words. They don't matter. Yet, it would be different story if one Hebrew was willing to help or there was no Samatarian.

And you're still dodging my question:

Had you come across a stranger being attacked on the road by a group of strangers would you intervene or stay out of it?

Still no answer for you. Have zero interest in providing you ammo to judge my morality. You are already doing that too much.

 

[MeganC]

Jesus could easily started story with:

Yet He didn't. And everything He said had meaning. Especially in this particular parable.

Have zero interest in providing you ammo to judge my morality. You are already doing that too much.

You give me too much reason to question your morality. You call Christians "stupid" because not all of us will stay out of the Ukraine issue and that leads me to want to figure out where you stand.

 

[MemeFan]

Yet He didn't. And everything He said had meaning. Especially in this particular parable.

Why it takes me reading one post on Twitter by science fiction author to understand that story author must not bother reader with "background details"? In SF this is how tech works, political organizations, how society functions.

Similar here, Jesus has to provide "settings" for story. Something beliveable and easy to understand for his listeners to go straight into meat and avoid 3 chapters of intro. This is way robbers.

You give me too much reason to question your morality. You call Christians "stupid" because not all of us will stay out of the Ukraine issue and that leads me to want to figure out where you stand.

I said politically stupid. It means stupid in one area, not generally. Math education is solution for math stupidity. Some for political one. For general one, I don't cure.

And where I stand, it's mystery baby .

 

[MeganC]

And where I stand, it's mystery baby .

Choosing not to answer is itself an answer.

 

[FollowingHim]

Nonsense.

Papers granting permission to travel and asking for safe conduct in foreign lands go back thousands of years.

See Nehemiah 2: 7-9

7 I also said to him, “If it pleases the king, may I have letters to the governors of Trans-Euphrates, so that they will provide me safe-conduct until I arrive in Judah? 8 And may I have a letter to Asaph, keeper of the royal park, so he will give me timber to make beams for the gates of the citadel by the temple and for the city wall and for the residence I will occupy?” And because the gracious hand of my God was on me, the king granted my requests. 9 So I went to the governors of Trans-Euphrates and gave them the king’s letters. The king had also sent army officers and cavalry with me.

China used internal passports called zhuan starting around 200 BC and no one could travel outside their home district without one.

King Henry V of England issued passports as authorized by Parliament in the Safe Conducts Act of 1414.

Most notably in the various 16th-20th Century European kingdoms people had to carry papers in order to travel on public roads. These papers had to be shown to soldiers on demand who were notorious for destroying a person's papers and then throwing those people into prison or slavery for the offense of traveling without papers.

This is why when such people relocated to the Americas they eventually enshrined the right to travel into the US Constitution.

Fair points, yes such papers have always existed - but they were not usually universal. As far as we know Nehemiah did not need letters from the king to the governors of Trans-Euphrates in order to travel - if that was the case, nobody could travel without first asking the king, and that would be entirely impractical. He reqursted papers to ask them to give him protection from robbers on the road etc - the king was asking them to actively help him, not just let him pass a checkpoint. This sort of paper is not a passport, it's a diplomatic document - "this guy's a friend of that king, you don't want to mess with him" - the sort of thing you'd give to an ambassador or similar official.

I take your point though that travel papers have been required more universally at some times in history, in both Europe and China.

Nevertheless, historically papers - however common - have been an aberration, an infringement on liberty, and something to be opposed. A symptom of tyranny. The universal rollout of passports over the past century is a massive uptick in tyranny.

 

[MeganC]

Nevertheless, historically papers - however common - have been an aberration, an infringement on liberty, and something to be opposed. A symptom of tyranny. The universal rollout of passports over the past century is a massive uptick in tyranny.

Passports across international borders make a lot of sense. It's a sensible way to control your borders.

Passports for internal travel? That's tyranny.

And in the US we're damned close to that with hyper-aggressive police who stop people and demand ID under threat of arrest even when they've done nothing wrong. This is supposed to be illegal yet the police do it anyway. Thus I have little sympathy for police who get killed on the job in jurisdictions that hold civil rights in contempt.

They reap what they sow.

 

[FollowingHim]

Passports across international borders make a lot of sense. It's a sensible way to control your borders.

Something can be practical and yet still tyrannical. I'm not sure what your laws are in the USA, but here we have dog registration - all dogs must be registered with the local government - and that's very practical. It means if your dog gets lost the finder can easily get it back to you. It means the local government can tax dog owners to fund dog parks etc, so non-dog-owners don't have to pay for them. Still, it's tyrannical. We also have a universal cattle registration system - every single cow has to be registered with the government. Seriously. It has many practical purposes, but none of that changes the fact that it's tyrannical. Human registration remains tyrannical however practical it may be.

 

[Mark C]

Something can be practical and yet still tyrannical...here we have dog registration - all dogs must be registered with the local government - and that's very practical....

...We also have a universal cattle registration system - every single cow has to be registered with the government. It

It also means that, WHEN, not 'if', Big Brother can 'regulate' dog food (no food for Fido without permission) and take the cows, then also goats, geese, and chickens, away (they kill 'em en masse and put 'em in ditches on a pretense now world-wide.)

They need to know who's got'em and where they are.

Guess who then get to eat nuthin' but worms? That is, IFF you 'socialist credit score' passes muster.

Tyranny has an endpoint goal: "to steal, kill, and destroy." But I'm one'a those conspiracy theorists, doncha know...

 

[Joleneakamama]

They need to know who's got'em and where they are.

This is what bothered me about the American Dairy Goat Associaton some 12+ years ago making this statement that "ADGA supports NAIS" when there was NO WAY they even had a majority vote of their members. At the time they were proposing premise ID numbers, and rifd tags for EVERY ANIMAL down to each baby chick, and reporting too if they died or were sold. Many have gone with that flow....and we recently bought non breeding goats as pack animals that are microchips.

I will always hate the overreach of non producing parasitic polyshittans!

I look forward to their prophesied judgment

"Birds and beasts....come and eat the flesh of kings and captains!"

 

[Mark C]

BTW: There IS a fix.

Do NOT 'register' anything you believe is actually YOURS with the Adversary. And we'd better understand what that means.

 

[MemeFan]

Passports across international borders make a lot of sense. It's a sensible way to control your borders.

Passports for internal travel? That's tyranny.

And in the US we're damned close to that with hyper-aggressive police who stop people and demand ID under threat of arrest even when they've done nothing wrong. This is supposed to be illegal yet the police do it anyway. Thus I have little sympathy for police who get killed on the job in jurisdictions that hold civil rights in contempt.

They reap what they sow.

Passports were invention of WW1 for refuge and spy control. Now this tyranny has stayed.

Imagine, in 19th century there was greater freedom of movement than now.

Something can be practical and yet still tyrannical. I'm not sure what your laws are in the USA, but here we have dog registration - all dogs must be registered with the local government - and that's very practical. It means if your dog gets lost the finder can easily get it back to you. It means the local government can tax dog owners to fund dog parks etc, so non-dog-owners don't have to pay for them. Still, it's tyrannical. We also have a universal cattle registration system - every single cow has to be registered with the government. Seriously. It has many practical purposes, but none of that changes the fact that it's tyrannical. Human registration remains tyrannical however practical it may be.

Legibility.

If government can see it, they can tax it.

 

[MeganC]

Something can be practical and yet still tyrannical. I'm not sure what your laws are in the USA, but here we have dog registration - all dogs must be registered with the local government - and that's very practical. It means if your dog gets lost the finder can easily get it back to you. It means the local government can tax dog owners to fund dog parks etc, so non-dog-owners don't have to pay for them. Still, it's tyrannical. We also have a universal cattle registration system - every single cow has to be registered with the government. Seriously. It has many practical purposes, but none of that changes the fact that it's tyrannical. Human registration remains tyrannical however practical it may be.

You'd love living in Wyoming. Other than water rights and people being justifiably cautious about brucellosis there's not a lot of fuss over anything around here.

How many cattle you have is your business. If you want a machine gun no one local cares about it. If you want to build a house just go ahead and the only thing the county cares about is that your electric and your septic are safe. If you're driving safely no one cares what speed you're going.

It's not perfect, but we enjoy a ton more freedom than most people in the world do.

The thing I never understand is why most people in the world put up with folks who think it's their purpose in life to control everyone else.

 

[FollowingHim]

It also means that, WHEN, not 'if', Big Brother can 'regulate' dog food (no food for Fido without permission) and take the cows, then also goats, geese, and chickens, away (they kill 'em en masse and put 'em in ditches on a pretense now world-wide.)

They need to know who's got'em and where they are.

Guess who then get to eat nuthin' but worms? That is, IFF you 'socialist credit score' passes muster.

Tyranny has an endpoint goal: "to steal, kill, and destroy." But I'm one'a those conspiracy theorists, doncha know...

Yes. The underlying official point of cattle registration is for biosecurity - if something like foot & mouth disease enters the country they know where all the cows are and can control movements and order herds euthanised to eradicate it.
The practical way that can be used is to engineer a "cattle pandemic" and track down and cull the national herd for possibly other nefarious purposes.
Just like the ultimate purpose of gun registration is to enable confiscation, the ultimate purpose of animal registration is likely to be something more tyrannical than advertised.
And the same goes for human registration.

 

[Transformator Reformator]

The analogy with a foreign invasion is fatally flawed.

What if the 'stranger' who was allegedly the victim of 'highwaymen' was in fact (as we often SEE today!!!!) a trojan horse, intended to get the real victim to stop, whereupon he would be set upon, killed, and robbed by accomplices?

Yahushua does NOT tell us to be stupid! Nor to ignore our understanding, or common sense. The point was that the man helped WAS, in fact, a "NEIGHBOR."

Not an invading army. Not terrorists, foreign special forces troops, not MS-13, not escaped Haitian or Venezuelan murderers, rapists, or - now - cannibals.

Attitudes like these results in situations like these.

The U.S. Government Turned Away Thousands of Jewish Refugees, Fearing That They Were Nazi Spies

In a long tradition of “persecuting the refugee,” the State Department and FDR claimed that Jewish immigrants could threaten national security

www.smithsonianmag.com

10% of population (Christians in USA, not cultural Christians) perhaps should not be the ones leading in preventing illegal immigration. I can see Christians leading pro life movement, but immigration, I am not sure if it is wise.
According to this Hitler's speech immigration of Jews in Germany was an issue as well.

I would rather err in showing kindness than err in not showing kindness. I do not see how God would fault me for erring if I were to be too naive about others intentions as I am showing them kindness.
of the hospitality be not forgetful, for through this unawares certain did entertain messengers; (Hebrews 13:2).
as we protect our homes and borders what matters is checking our attitude, responding to every situation with hostile suspicion is not Christ like.

In Numbers 20:14-21, we learn Edom (descendents of Esau) denied Israel passage with hostile suspicion. Then in book Obadiah we learn Edom was condemned.
Addressing Edom as a nation, For near is the day of Jehovah, on all the nations, As thou hast done, it is done to thee, Thy deed doth turn back on thine own head. (Obadiah 1:15)
which is similar to what Christ said, All things, therefore, whatever ye may will that men may be doing to you, so also do to them, for this is the law and the prophets. (Matthew 7:12).

I contend that God's principals of righteousness are the same on individual bases as on corporate level. For this reason, a nation can be a good neighbor (as Samarian in illustration) to another and it is commendable.

 

[Mark C]

That analogy is IDIOTICALLY offensive. The vast majority of those jews were there BEFORE Hitler. And his 'ideology' is actually, for those with even a modicum of historic insight, far more similar to what is being done today to "Americans" that you have any clue about:

Invaders, not by the thousands, NOT seeking 'asylum' but freebies (including rape and plunder), but by the millions, even tens of millions now, are about a different kind of 'purity'. One that replaces and destroys those who were here before the gates were opened and the incentives issued.

But one this is obvious:

If Hitler had opened his borders, and destroyed his own army - the destruction of the Third Reich would've been a hell of a lot easier than the Fourth Reich being built now. I guess the WEF/NWO did learn something from that earlier failure.

 

[Transformator Reformator]

I am not advocating for open border but for change of attitude. Every person who is attempting to get to safety from real or from made up reason does not seize to be bearer of God's image. There are people out there who in effort to protect borders go killing illegal immigrants as if it is some kind of sport.

For more context if you are interested, I am attaching video where I heard such things from undercover work. (Note: Not all views expressed in this video I agree with).