Love that. Abraham Lincoln was a wise one who had a way with words."We might adopt the wisdom of Abraham Lincoln. His Republican Party was officially against polygamy. But in a meeting with a Mormon emissary, President Lincoln recalled that as a farm boy, he sometimes encountered a fallen log that “was too hard to split, too wet to burn, and too heavy to move, so we plowed around it. That’s what I intend to do with the Mormons. You go back and tell Brigham Young that if he will let me alone, I will let him alone.”
I just don't like the idea of oh it's decriminalized but it's immoral.
The legal arguments are never about morality. That would mandate a particular religious viewpoint, which would be the death of any legislation. The debate instead focuses on issues of harm and harm reduction, sometimes with a side discussion of freedom of the individuial vs. the needs of society.
The high point so far has been the leader of the opposition, who takes a strong stance that polygamy is slavery, making up a nametag that said SLAVE and putting it in front of the only black member of the committee.
What do you mean by this? Fully decriminalized would be the same as reducing to a misdemeanor. Do you mean he said polygamy should be fully legalized?Also, Buhman (from Brown v. Buhman) not only supported it, but said polygamy should probably just be fully decriminalized, not just reduced to a misdemeanor.
What do you mean by this? Fully decriminalized would be the same as reducing to a misdemeanor. Do you mean he said polygamy should be fully legalized?
Ummm, Mr. Anderson, child pornography is harmful and abusive, and this proposal does NOT reduce the penalty for those who participate in abuse. I suspect they are referring to Sound Choices, when they are talking about "a nonprofit", which is an organization which paints with a broad brush when it comes to polygamy, but ignores the fact that abuse can and does happen in monogamous homes as well.One of the no votes came from Rep. Kyle Andersen, R-North Ogden. He cited statistics from a nonprofit that helps people who have left polygamy showing most exit their communities with no assets, a sixth grade education and have suffered an abuse.
Reducing penalties for polygamy “makes no sense,” Andersen contended. He noted possession of child pornography continues to be a problem, but no one is arguing to lessen those offenses.
Thanks for the update!The bill was signed by the Governor and enacted. I think with all the COVID news it just happened silently.
The bill was signed by the Governor and enacted. I think with all the COVID news it just happened silently.
Oh, yeah, sure, that woman who spoke third knows "thousands" of people she could name who have married half-siblings and turned out deformed children. Sure she does!Just to add to your comment @tps26 - here are some comments for and against the signing - put out by The Salt Lake Tribune...
She should talk to #9 Anne Wilde, because they can't both be correct.Oh, yeah, sure, that woman who spoke third knows "thousands" of people she could name who have married half-siblings and turned out deformed children. Sure she does!
Do they not put propositions like that on the ballot?Just ask Californians how that direct democracy works when talking about a bullet train to nowhere. Even we libertarians like the courts when they step in to make things constitutional. It's legislation form the bench that is anathema.